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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 8:57:45 GMT
Download AttachmentRiver needs a nemesis her own ....thinking of another post Anna Chancellor as a villain for River
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Post by bohnny on Oct 17, 2018 6:54:52 GMT
What other “famous Doctor Who stories” do we think they’ll use? Horns of Nimon 🐂 |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Oct 18, 2018 9:31:00 GMT
More details can be revealed today about the next box set of The Diary of River Song. What adventures will River Song (played by Alex Kingston) be getting involved in this time? The Diary of River Song Series Six will be released in August 2019.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 18, 2018 9:35:44 GMT
Confirms Web of Fear link
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 18, 2018 10:06:08 GMT
Sounds interesting. I like that it seems River happens to be at the same events as the Doctor, looking for a painting.
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Post by Whovitt on Oct 18, 2018 11:54:21 GMT
Wow! I had no idea that the guy who played Captain Knight was even still alive! I love The Web of Fear, so I'm really looking forward to this  (Shame it's not out until next August...) This set is already set up to be amazing. What they go for next is going to be fascinating... |
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Post by mark687 on Oct 18, 2018 12:23:38 GMT
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 18, 2018 12:31:08 GMT
It sounds if she is going back to 8 episodes from the news piece so likely one from each classic Doctor, so here are my guesses for the unannounced stories and who I think should write them ... two would be The Time Meddler, in which River has to go back and stop the Rufus Hound Monk from going back and changing his first encounter with the Doctor. The shear absolute timey wiminess would be an absolute marvel and to have it be written by Johnathan Morris and called The Time Meddling Time Meddler would become one of the instant classics, just saying. That would be truly fantastic |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 13:43:18 GMT
I feel as if Big Finish are quite simply scraping the bottom of the barrel with this release. I mean, it’s just taking the piss a bit now, isn’t it?
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 18, 2018 13:49:42 GMT
I feel as if Big Finish are quite simply scraping the bottom of the barrel with this release. I mean, it’s just taking the piss a bit now, isn’t it? Why is that? If they are good stories?
If they have a great idea and get a great crew together, they can scrape through the bottom of the barrel into the sandpit for all I care...  I have not been disappointed with any of the River releases yet.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 18, 2018 13:53:18 GMT
I'm always been of the opinion River works best with the other DW links, if she lost them completely, she's virtually no different than Benny, and at that point the uniqueness ends for me.
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 18, 2018 14:24:14 GMT
I feel as if Big Finish are quite simply scraping the bottom of the barrel with this release. I mean, it’s just taking the piss a bit now, isn’t it? What, if anything, would you prefer to hear from this range? I'd have liked River to continue her trip backwards through the Dr's life and encounter Treloar, Hines and Bradley. But I'm also looking forward to what has been announced |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 14:51:12 GMT
I feel as if Big Finish are quite simply scraping the bottom of the barrel with this release. I mean, it’s just taking the piss a bit now, isn’t it? What, if anything, would you prefer to hear from this range? Stories where River can stand on her own two feet without the need for the Doctor to turn up in every box set, and without this bizarre pandering to fans, slotting new stories into the background of ones that are 40-50+ years old. River Song is one of the BF ranges that appeals the most to young listeners so I'm honestly very confused why they're taking her down this route, with ideas for stories that nobody ever asked for in the first place. All this series needs is maybe a small returning element in each box set, maybe a TV monster that can get a bit of an expansion on. It's River Song, it should sell itself. There's no need for such a godawful gimmick that caters almost exclusively for older fans, based around stories that are deemed 'classics' via received wisdom. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 14:52:50 GMT
I'm always been of the opinion River works best with the other DW links, if she lost them completely, she's virtually no different than Benny, and at that point the uniqueness ends for me. Regards mark687 If the main character of your series can't be distinctive on her own, then I have to wonder what they're doing making a spinoff about her in the first place. |
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Post by mark687 on Oct 18, 2018 15:01:10 GMT
I'm always been of the opinion River works best with the other DW links, if she lost them completely, she's virtually no different than Benny, and at that point the uniqueness ends for me. Regards mark687 If the main character of your series can't be distinctive on her own, then I have to wonder what they're doing making a spinoff about her in the first place. Agreed River's not distinctive from Benny Except Moffatt wrote her with full knowledge of the Doctors past.
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Post by OneTen on Oct 18, 2018 15:13:14 GMT
I'm always been of the opinion River works best with the other DW links, if she lost them completely, she's virtually no different than Benny, and at that point the uniqueness ends for me. I'm puzzled by this comparison. I'm aware they're both archeologists, but... No different? What are the other similarities? |
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 18, 2018 15:23:04 GMT
Chiming into the discussion if Benny is distinctive from River-
in my humble opinion, except that they are both sassy space archeologists, they are quite different character wise.
Benny has a love for archeology and takes it serious and she also has a strict moral code. I also don't think Benny has any lasting sexual interests in the Doctor beside her one outing with 8. Her relationship with the Doctor is also very different, it is more of mutual respect and understanding (without the constant teasing).
River was raised as an assassin, does things just for fun, has studied archeology over several afternoons (or so she says), she can be quite vindictive and psychopathic (from her upbringing) and her ethics are malleable at best.
They have a different biological makeup and are played by two very distinct actresses.
If they appear the same, that is, in my opinion, the fault of the writers.
I really hope they do a good job and take these differences into account when they do the meeting between the two characters in the anniversery special. We will see...
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Post by number13 on Oct 18, 2018 15:33:49 GMT
'Older fan' here
River was created to interact with the Doctor (in both in-Universe and real-world terms.) Being the Doctor's wife (and intended assassin) is her USP and so some connection with the Doctor's timelines seems a key part of a River story. They are branching out a bit with the River+Masters set now aren't they and I'm looking forward to that.
I think River and Benny are totally different characters (leave the archaeology out of it for a minute - how much does River ever actually do?)
One has psychopathic tendencies and semi-Time Lord DNA, a criminal who loots more than she ever excavates and who (even though she seems to have mellowed a bit recently in 'River 4') will take the most drastic action and then say 'that went well' and forget all about it.
The other is a normal, extraordinary woman with a life, loves and family who experiences extraordinary events and does her best, is fascinated by knowledge and discovery for its own sake and (for all the tough exterior and tough action when needed) cares about people and worlds present and past.
I'm enjoying discovering both of their BF stories, but if River is becoming more Benny, that's in the writing not the character I think.
EDIT: Actually, what tuigirl just said above. Simultaneous typing! |
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Post by mark687 on Oct 18, 2018 15:38:46 GMT
I'm always been of the opinion River works best with the other DW links, if she lost them completely, she's virtually no different than Benny, and at that point the uniqueness ends for me. I'm puzzled by this comparison. I'm aware they're both archeologists, but... No different? What are the other similarities? They're primary focuses are either fun or obligation, they're quick with the quip, personnel affections of others are used against them or by them. and they both tend to go scorched earth with things (though Benny probably acknowledges the cost of actions and events better)
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 18, 2018 15:44:51 GMT
EDIT: Actually, what tuigirl just said above. Simultaneous typing! Great minds think alike... |
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(Shame it's not out until next August...)
