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Post by Thebogiehole on Oct 13, 2018 7:24:40 GMT
There's a thread on one of the Other Places about how things would have gone if Hitler had been born anatomically a girl (and had a female gender identity in this alternate world).
"Adelaide" wouldn't be serving in WWI except as a nurse unless she does a Bob from Blackadder, and isn't found out.
Someone did a "Lenin born female" once and many of the same things apply. Adelaide would be like Liesl from "The Sound of Music" in that she'd be expected to be all dresses and jewelry and perfume in the "pretty princesses and feathered hats" world of turn of the century Europe and to marry a nice young man from the next town over.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Oct 13, 2018 8:05:58 GMT
I live in Adelaide, Australia. This thread title piqued my interest. I do live in the official serial killer capital of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 8:09:22 GMT
I live in Adelaide, Australia. This thread title piqued my interest. I do live in the official serial killer capital of the world. I didn’t know that my second cousins all live there.should i pray more lol?
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Oct 13, 2018 8:11:13 GMT
I live in Adelaide, Australia. This thread title piqued my interest. I do live in the official serial killer capital of the world. I didn’t know that my second cousins all live there.should i pray more lol? Do you know where abouts they live?
Oh yes.. I work in the city and I see some real "characters" day in day out.. !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 8:14:38 GMT
I didn’t know that my second cousins all live there.should i pray more lol? Do you know where abouts they live?
Oh yes.. I work in the city and I see some real "characters" day in day out.. !
no i have never been, Parents went over last year.
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 13, 2018 8:19:13 GMT
See, this is what happens when Deadpool changes the timeline.
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 13, 2018 9:11:42 GMT
There's a thread on one of the Other Places about how things would have gone if Hitler had been born anatomically a girl (and had a female gender identity in this alternate world). "Adelaide" wouldn't be serving in WWI except as a nurse unless she does a Bob from Blackadder, and isn't found out. Someone did a "Lenin born female" once and many of the same things apply. Adelaide would be like Liesl from "The Sound of Music" in that she'd be expected to be all dresses and jewelry and perfume in the "pretty princesses and feathered hats" world of turn of the century Europe and to marry a nice young man from the next town over. Interesting premise...I agree, what would have happened to the person as a female was getting married off, having kids, die. She also would not have made it into the Viennese art school - things would have turned out differently also if the male Hitler had been accepted at art school (painting was his life blood) instead of becoming secret police spying on a no-name underground political party in Munich which he in an interesting turn of events just took over.
But for the larger picture... the treaty at the end of WWI basically set up WWII with its massive economical and political repressions against Germany and there were enough deranged (and influential) demagogues running about at that time (Hitler just managed to kill them first after he came to power) so it is very likely history as a whole would have played out the same way, just with another idiot in charge of Germany.
I think the whole thing was just a "fixed point in time" so to speak, an exchange or even sex change of a single person might not have made a difference.
On the other hand, if the treaty at the end of WWI would have been along the same lines as the treaty at the end of WWII (which largely rebuilt and strengthened Germany to provide a strong ally against the Soviet Union), acknowledging the "Bolschewik Menace", history might have worked out in a completely different way and we might not even have had a cold war because Soviet Russia might not have succeeded.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 13, 2018 10:19:07 GMT
How about an alternative view, that whilst Hitler brought his own colour to what he did and his life and times, he was in fact largely a product of his time, and had he not been born a man, then someone else would have risen to fulfil his role in history.
As evidence I offer you Brexit, Trump and current rise of right wing nationalism across what used to be called the 1st and 2nd worlds, it would be difficult to assign these things to one person, or even to a collection of people, it much easier to see things things as a product of now, and not the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 10:40:36 GMT
There's a thread on one of the Other Places about how things would have gone if Hitler had been born anatomically a girl (and had a female gender identity in this alternate world). "Adelaide" wouldn't be serving in WWI except as a nurse unless she does a Bob from Blackadder, and isn't found out. Someone did a "Lenin born female" once and many of the same things apply. Adelaide would be like Liesl from "The Sound of Music" in that she'd be expected to be all dresses and jewelry and perfume in the "pretty princesses and feathered hats" world of turn of the century Europe and to marry a nice young man from the next town over. Interesting premise...I agree, what would have happened to the person as a female was getting married off, having kids, die. She also would not have made it into the Viennese art school - things would have turned out differently also if the male Hitler had been accepted at art school (painting was his life blood) instead of becoming secret police spying on a no-name underground political party in Munich which he in an interesting turn of events just took over.
But for the larger picture... the treaty at the end of WWI basically set up WWII with its massive economical and political repressions against Germany and there were enough deranged (and influential) demagogues running about at that time (Hitler just managed to kill them first after he came to power) so it is very likely history as a whole would have played out the same way, just with another idiot in charge of Germany.
I think the whole thing was just a "fixed point in time" so to speak, an exchange or even sex change of a single person might not have made a difference.
On the other hand, if the treaty at the end of WWI would have been along the same lines as the treaty at the end of WWII (which largely rebuilt and strengthened Germany to provide a strong ally against the Soviet Union), acknowledging the "Bolschewik Menace", history might have worked out in a completely different way and we might not even have had a cold war because Soviet Russia might not have succeeded.
I like the reference to the Fixed point in time.But as previously we discussed (Fatima) man was extended the invitation to alter the future and the warning was not heeded was it.If Russia had converted and generally Europe had heeded I doubt Hitler would have got as far as he did but alas..he did.As for the male /female debate woman can be as equally evil as man.Evil is a choice we choose to make and also remember Hitler was only one man who fanned the flames that had already nested in peoples hearts i truly believe that prayer can change the world
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Post by jasonward on Oct 13, 2018 10:45:23 GMT
Interesting premise...I agree, what would have happened to the person as a female was getting married off, having kids, die. She also would not have made it into the Viennese art school - things would have turned out differently also if the male Hitler had been accepted at art school (painting was his life blood) instead of becoming secret police spying on a no-name underground political party in Munich which he in an interesting turn of events just took over.
But for the larger picture... the treaty at the end of WWI basically set up WWII with its massive economical and political repressions against Germany and there were enough deranged (and influential) demagogues running about at that time (Hitler just managed to kill them first after he came to power) so it is very likely history as a whole would have played out the same way, just with another idiot in charge of Germany.
I think the whole thing was just a "fixed point in time" so to speak, an exchange or even sex change of a single person might not have made a difference.
On the other hand, if the treaty at the end of WWI would have been along the same lines as the treaty at the end of WWII (which largely rebuilt and strengthened Germany to provide a strong ally against the Soviet Union), acknowledging the "Bolschewik Menace", history might have worked out in a completely different way and we might not even have had a cold war because Soviet Russia might not have succeeded.
I like the reference to the Fixed point in time.But as previously we discussed (Fatima) man was extended the invitation to alter the future and the warning was not heeded was it.If Russia had converted and generally Europe had heeded I doubt Hitler would have got as far as he did but alas..he did.As for the male /female debate woman can be as equally evil as man.Evil is a choice we choose to make and also remember Hitler was only one man who fanned the flames that had already nested in peoples hearts i truly believe that prayer can change the world Men and woman can be just as evil as each other, but opportunities offered to men and women in the early 20th century Germany were very different an Adelaide Hitler, even with the same predisposition as Adolf, would have taken a very different course.
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Post by Thebogiehole on Oct 13, 2018 11:15:19 GMT
An Adelaide Hitler would probably be encouraged more in her drawing and painting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 11:19:43 GMT
An Adelaide Hitler would probably be encouraged more in her drawing and painting. But she would have joined the Nazi party and as we know women who did were equally as cruel as the men.She may not have got to be a Hitler but probably equally a product of the party thinking listverse.com/2012/10/30/10-female-concentration-camp-guards/
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Post by Thebogiehole on Oct 13, 2018 11:24:18 GMT
An Adelaide Hitler would probably be encouraged more in her drawing and painting. But she would have joined the Nazi party and as we know women who did were equally as cruel as the men.She may not have got to be a Hitler but probably equally a product of the party thinking listverse.com/2012/10/30/10-female-concentration-camp-guards/It is worth noting that there were quite a number of women amongst both the Mensheviks and Bolsheviks; Nadezhda Krupskaya, Lenin's wife, was a revolutionary in her own right; it was politics that brought them together. Another Marxist born in Tsarist Russia who certainly wasn't held back by being a woman was Rosa Luxemburg. Marxism had a natural appeal to women since it was a means of overturning the established order, an order that largely marginalised them. The problem with an Adelaide Hitler is that Nazism was both reactionary and extremely masculine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 11:26:50 GMT
It is worth noting that there were quite a number of women amongst both the Mensheviks and Bolsheviks; Nadezhda Krupskaya, Lenin's wife, was a revolutionary in her own right; it was politics that brought them together. Another Marxist born in Tsarist Russia who certainly wasn't held back by being a woman was Rosa Luxemburg. Marxism had a natural appeal to women since it was a means of overturning the established order, an order that largely marginalised them. The problem with an Adelaide Hitler is that Nazism was both reactionary and extremely masculine. I disagree it was an ideology that equally appealed to men and women .Are you somehow trying to exonerate women as having no part in it?Adelaide might have in another way been like Eva Braun?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 11:28:19 GMT
Evil ideologies appeal to both sexes depending on their prejudices
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Post by omega on Oct 13, 2018 11:34:32 GMT
Who’s been putting metal in the microwave while watching a supernova, then licking heads in jars? If it’s the time sphere, it won’t necessarily be old age that gets you...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 11:36:16 GMT
Anyways its not a thread really connected to audios so am going to opt out of. Discussion
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 13, 2018 12:02:40 GMT
I like the reference to the Fixed point in time.But as previously we discussed (Fatima) man was extended the invitation to alter the future and the warning was not heeded was it.If Russia had converted and generally Europe had heeded I doubt Hitler would have got as far as he did but alas..he did.As for the male /female debate woman can be as equally evil as man.Evil is a choice we choose to make and also remember Hitler was only one man who fanned the flames that had already nested in peoples hearts i truly believe that prayer can change the world Of course females can be as evil as males, no doubt about that.
But at that time, there would have been no chance for a female version of Hitler. At the present time? Yes, totally possible, but not back then. Also, people give the man too much credit. He had a whole army of cronies around him who made him what he was. There was enough fanning the flames going around without him, he jus turned up to be the outlet on top. If he would not have been there, I am sure there would have been another one, there were quite a few of these characters around at that time in Germany.
As for the prayer... remember that the Christians were on the side of the Nazis to begin with, even the Pope back then. This shows you how well Nazi propaganda and their snakey ways worked. The guy who said the famous saying "First they came for the socialists, but I did not speak out because I was not a socialist... (and so on)" was a priest and he had sided with the Nazis at the beginning. In the end, when he finally spoke up, nobody was left to speak for him and he ended up in the concentration camp. Sometimes prayer is not enough.
This is still a valuable lession for today.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 12:08:42 GMT
I like the reference to the Fixed point in time.But as previously we discussed (Fatima) man was extended the invitation to alter the future and the warning was not heeded was it.If Russia had converted and generally Europe had heeded I doubt Hitler would have got as far as he did but alas..he did.As for the male /female debate woman can be as equally evil as man.Evil is a choice we choose to make and also remember Hitler was only one man who fanned the flames that had already nested in peoples hearts i truly believe that prayer can change the world Of course females can be as evil as males, no doubt about that.
But at that time, there would have been no chance for a female version of Hitler. At the present time? Yes, totally possible, but not back then. Also, people give the man too much credit. He had a whole army of cronies around him who made him what he was. There was enough fanning the flames going around without him, he jus turned up to be the outlet on top. If he would not have been there, I am sure there would have been another one, there were quite a few of these characters around at that time in Germany.
As for the prayer... remember that the Christians were on the side of the Nazis to begin with, even the Pope back then. This shows you how well Nazi propaganda and their snakey ways worked. The guy who said the famous saying "First they came for the socialists, but I did not speak out because I was not a socialist... (and so on)" was a priest and he had sided with the Nazis at the beginning. In the end, when he finally spoke up, nobody was left to speak for him and he ended up in the concentration camp. Sometimes prayer is not enough.
This is still a valuable lession for today.
I totally disagree with your point on the Pope who was actually exhonerated by the Jews for saving them but lets not argue about it those were terrible terrible times and am glad we didn’t have to live through them only to stand up to todays injustices so that those things cannot happen again...am listening to Cher singing ABBA. Lol as i thought this would become a horrible thread.😘Hope,pray Dont worry,my motto.Back to some lighter entertainment 🤔
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 13, 2018 12:17:56 GMT
I totally disagree with your point on the Pope who was actually exhonerated by the Jews for saving them but lets not argue about it those were terrible terrible times and am glad we didn’t have to live through them only to stand up to todays injustices so that those things cannot happen again...am listening to Cher singing ABBA. Lol as i thought this would become a horrible thread.😘Hope,pray Dont worry,my motto.Back to some lighter entertainment 🤔 This is why I said "in the beginning".
One thing going for Bavarian school system is that we had religion classes in school and I even did my final exams in Catholic Religion as one of my majors (my religion teacher was awesome and I am still in contact with him after all these years, I loved his classes). And this discussion about the Pope and Hitler was a big point in school. So yes, in the very beginning, the Pope WAS on the side of the Nazis, for the reasons you mentioned- fear of communism. This was a strategic decision and the Pope was not proud of it in the end, because, of course it soon became apparent that Hitler was not "Mister nice guy".
And the relationship changed and the church rescued and hid Jews.
I will always speak up, this I have sworn to myself. I am very proud of myself I stood up for what I believe in this week at work concerning some ethically questionable things. But negative points need pointing out, not hiding. Hiding bad things and painting the sky pink does not help anyone and may well be one of the roots of evil.
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