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Post by Zagreus on Oct 23, 2018 19:40:26 GMT
So if every Doctor is getting a special box set next year I'm wondering if we might get a second 3rd Doctor box set or if this is all we are getting next year with 3....besides The Legacy of Time of course. I think some of the existing sets are "counting" towards that. 1st Doctor: The First Doctor Adventures Volume 3 - with special guest Caroline Ford as "The Woman" 2nd Doctor: ? 3rd Doctor: The Third Doctor Adventures Volume 5 - featuring the return of The Brigadier and Liz Shaw 4th Doctor: The Comic Book Adaptations 5th Doctor: ? 6th Doctor: ? 7th Doctor: The New Adventures 8th Doctor: The Further Adventures of Lucie Miller Doctors 3 through 8 plus Counter-Measures, New Unit, and River Song: The Legacy of Time
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Post by constonks on Oct 23, 2018 20:23:59 GMT
So if every Doctor is getting a special box set next year I'm wondering if we might get a second 3rd Doctor box set or if this is all we are getting next year with 3....besides The Legacy of Time of course. I think some of the existing sets are "counting" towards that. 1st Doctor: The First Doctor Adventures Volume 3 - with special guest Caroline Ford as "The Woman" 2nd Doctor: ? 3rd Doctor: The Third Doctor Adventures Volume 5 - featuring the return of The Brigadier and Liz Shaw 4th Doctor: The Comic Book Adaptations 5th Doctor: ? 6th Doctor: ? 7th Doctor: The New Adventures 8th Doctor: The Further Adventures of Lucie Miller Doctors 3 through 8 plus Counter-Measures, New Unit, and River Song: The Legacy of Time 1st Doc is also getting a Companion Chronicles boxset next year as well. And while not confirmed, the Sixth Doctor and Peri are going to be in something outside the Main Range but we don't know what yet. I wonder what the 2nd Doctor will get. I'd love an Early Adventures special - an eight-part epic story like Evil of the Daleks, The Invasion, Inferno, War Games, TDMP, etc. That could also work well if they plan to do another four-stories-in-a-row for EA Series 6 - do those four regular releases with one team (either Jamie, Ben and Polly or Jamie and Zoe) and then the eight-parter with the other.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 20:49:15 GMT
Hmm. I'd say there's a limit as to how much BF can fit in for the anniversary next year, and we might be rapidly approaching that limit. Looking at the release schedule, I would be surprised if the only 20th anniversary stuff yet to be announced wasn't the Fifth and Sixth Doctor boxsets.
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Post by newt5996 on Oct 24, 2018 1:33:43 GMT
So if every Doctor is getting a special box set next year I'm wondering if we might get a second 3rd Doctor box set or if this is all we are getting next year with 3....besides The Legacy of Time of course. I think some of the existing sets are "counting" towards that. 1st Doctor: The First Doctor Adventures Volume 3 - with special guest Caroline Ford as "The Woman" 2nd Doctor: ? 3rd Doctor: The Third Doctor Adventures Volume 5 - featuring the return of The Brigadier and Liz Shaw 4th Doctor: The Comic Book Adaptations 5th Doctor: ? 6th Doctor: ? 7th Doctor: The New Adventures 8th Doctor: The Further Adventures of Lucie Miller Doctors 3 through 8 plus Counter-Measures, New Unit, and River Song: The Legacy of Time And Benny in Legacy of Time, never forget Benny.
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 24, 2018 8:21:49 GMT
Yeah, I’ve written off the comments Big Finish have made about each Doctor getting a special box set release next year. There’s not enough room in the schedule and based on the three sets they’ve announced already, it seems like it’s only the Eighth Doctor one that’s been done with the anniversary in mind. The Comic Strip Adaptations probably always had a 2019 date pencilled in for the 40th anniversary of DWM. The New Adventures seems like it’s planned to be an ongoing range, and isn’t even out in the anniversary year.
I suspect a couple more sets will be announced for other Doctors, but I think the First Doctor Volume 3, the Third Doctor Volume 5 and the Tenth Doctor Volume 3 are their respective Doctors anniversary sets.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Oct 24, 2018 19:28:39 GMT
I'm a little hesitant about recasts as always, but I think it was almost necessary if Big Finish wanted to continue their Third Doctor range. The Brig is too important to the era to be in Geneva all the time and once you've recast Pertwee himself, you can't really take a strong stance about using the original actors. I've always been sad Big Finish didn't start until after Pertwee had passed away. I think he would have leapt at the chance to do them and we could have gotten some brilliant 3DAs with the full original cast. This, I suppose, is the closest we'll get.
Agreed on the boxsets not all being special releases. That seems like it would make an already-packed schedule insane. It seems far more likely that they meant each Doctor would get a boxset that was special some time next year.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 24, 2018 19:40:58 GMT
I'm a little hesitant about recasts as always, but I think it was almost necessary if Big Finish wanted to continue their Third Doctor range. The Brig is too important to the era to be in Geneva all the time and once you've recast Pertwee himself, you can't really take a strong stance about using the original actors. I've always been sad Big Finish didn't start until after Pertwee had passed away. I think he would have leapt at the chance to do them and we could have gotten some brilliant 3DAs with the full original cast. This, I suppose, is the closest we'll get. I may have mentioned this earlier but recasting the Brig & Liz Shaw does seem to cross a bridge Big Finish has never crossed before in that Nick Courtney & Caroline John had both recorded for BF as those characters. And I do agree that if you want the range to continue, at some point they were going to have to do it. And as you say, once you commit to recasting an actor who played the Doctor, everything is on the table.
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 24, 2018 20:34:51 GMT
I may have mentioned this earlier but recasting the Brig & Liz Shaw does seem to cross a bridge Big Finish has never crossed before in that Nick Courtney & Caroline John had both recorded for BF as those characters. And I do agree that if you want the range to continue, at some point they were going to have to do it. And as you say, once you commit to recasting an actor who played the Doctor, everything is on the table. I don't know if I'd agree that it was necessary in order for the range to continue, it's never been a problem I've had with the 3DAs thinking they're not the real thing without a particular character - in fact I think the biggest part of the challenge I'm going to have with this, is that it probably wants to frame the direction and the setting of the stories toward the traditional, whereas my biggest hope would have been to get more of the sort of Third Doctor stories that we didn't get with the OS, much as things have been with the Sixth Doctor at Big Finish. I wouldn't actually change a moment of the OS Pertwee era, but I still hope I ever see the day when I reflexively think of the Third Doctor as half as much the time and space traveller as his other incarnations. It still seems almost too ingrained that he's merely UNIT's very clever scientific advisor, who happens to have quaint taste in automobiles. That said, bringing stories with The Brigadier to life will be an amazing feat nonetheless just as long as the recasts don't take me straight out of the stories, and I'm happy that Culshaw sounded better in the role just for me listening to the clip again, which is very good since I've been struggling with recasts since the 1DAs. I think the worst case scenario is probably that by the time Treloar gives Culshaw a few pointers, he'll be a fantastic Brigadier. ;-)
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 24, 2018 20:55:42 GMT
When I think of the 3rd Doctor era I think of 3, Jo and the Brig in that order. UNIT,The Master, Sarah Jane and Liz to follow. I don’t know how you continue with the range long term without the Brig. I get the apprehension is some circles, I really do but as Tim Treloar proves each time, when done correctly, recasting isn’t a scary or horrible thing and through them an era lives on. I think everyone wins.
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Post by doctorkernow on Oct 24, 2018 21:59:05 GMT
Hello again.
Whilst I can understand the excitement that the announcement of a new Third Doctor Adventures release; I am afraid it's not for me.
I realise that recasts are acceptable for a substantial majority of listeners, writers, actors and Big Finish. I still find it difficult to accept these new interpretations of much loved actors and the characters they played.
I would find it impossible to listen to any story with a recast Sarah Jane Smith because Elisabeth Sladen was that character. For me, it is the same with Nicholas Courtney, Deborah Watling, Mary Tamm and Caroline John.
I am quite happy to enjoy all the stories these actors appeared in on television or on audio. We are so lucky Big Finish managed to get so many Classic Who actors back to reprise their roles.
Not convinced we need a sequel to Inferno either. Sequels can be a double-edged sword. You need to ask if there really is any need for them? Sometimes, just sometimes they really seem superfluous.
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Post by dasmaniac on Oct 25, 2018 0:51:33 GMT
I'm a little hesitant about recasts as always, but I think it was almost necessary if Big Finish wanted to continue their Third Doctor range. The Brig is too important to the era to be in Geneva all the time and once you've recast Pertwee himself, you can't really take a strong stance about using the original actors. I've always been sad Big Finish didn't start until after Pertwee had passed away. I think he would have leapt at the chance to do them and we could have gotten some brilliant 3DAs with the full original cast. This, I suppose, is the closest we'll get. Agreed on the boxsets not all being special releases. That seems like it would make an already-packed schedule insane. It seems far more likely that they meant each Doctor would get a boxset that was special some time next year. Pertwee's acting career actually began on radio. It is a great shame that he never got the chance to do Big Finish. He would have loved it.
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Post by dorney on Oct 25, 2018 7:12:55 GMT
Not convinced we need a sequel to Inferno either. Sequels can be a double-edged sword. You need to ask if there really is any need for them? Sometimes, just sometimes they really seem superfluous. Well, as I’ve said before, we don’t really need any stories at all. So it shouldn’t ever really be a question of ‘need’, it’s a question of whether you have a good story, worth telling, and i think I’ve got that here.
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Post by jolyon on Oct 25, 2018 7:43:11 GMT
Not convinced we need a sequel to Inferno either. Sequels can be a double-edged sword. You need to ask if there really is any need for them? Sometimes, just sometimes they really seem superfluous. Well, as I’ve said before, we don’t really need any stories at all. So it shouldn’t ever really be a question of ‘need’, it’s a question of whether you have a good story, worth telling and i think I’ve got that here. A story that is good and worth telling that comes about as a result of Inferno?
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Post by doctorkernow on Oct 25, 2018 9:11:12 GMT
Not convinced we need a sequel to Inferno either. Sequels can be a double-edged sword. You need to ask if there really is any need for them? Sometimes, just sometimes they really seem superfluous. Well, as I’ve said before, we don’t really need any stories at all. So it shouldn’t ever really be a question of ‘need’, it’s a question of whether you have a good story, worth telling, and i think I’ve got that here. Hello again. As the writer of Primord, if you think it is a good story, then in the words of the Cyber Leader, "Excellent!" The fact it will be released as an audio CD already shows it is a good story. There will be lots of listeners who will enjoy revisiting a popular era of the show. A good story should indeed, speak for itself. My point was that sometimes a sequel can be made just for the sake of making a sequel. These stories then prove to be disappointing.
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Post by dorney on Oct 25, 2018 10:08:45 GMT
Well, as I’ve said before, we don’t really need any stories at all. So it shouldn’t ever really be a question of ‘need’, it’s a question of whether you have a good story, worth telling, and i think I’ve got that here. Hello again. As the writer of Primord, if you think it is a good story, then in the words of the Cyber Leader, "Excellent!" The fact it will be released as an audio CD already shows it is a good story. There will be lots of listeners who will enjoy revisiting a popular era of the show. A good story should indeed, speak for itself. My point was that sometimes a sequel can be made just for the sake of making a sequel. These stories then prove to be disappointing. You see, I don’t think that’s why bad sequels happen (you could argue that’s why most sequels are made, tbh, ‘for the sake of making a sequel’ - you don’t really ‘need’ the Godfather Part II for example). I think it’s entirely a case of how the writer approaches writing a sequel. If you write it ‘just for the sake of it’ then you get a bad sequel. The trick is to look for the new angle, an exciting way to develop the story. My point is it’s all about the execution, and not the conception.
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 25, 2018 10:18:51 GMT
My point was that sometimes a sequel can be made just for the sake of making a sequel. These stories then prove to be disappointing. If you write it ‘just for the sake of it’ then you get a bad sequel. Not sure why you are debating this point, you both seem to be singing off same hymn sheet
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Post by dorney on Oct 25, 2018 10:34:19 GMT
If you write it ‘just for the sake of it’ then you get a bad sequel. Not sure why you are debating this point, you both seem to be singing off same hymn sheet Not quite - Doctorkernow is talking about the starting point, as I understand it, the actual ‘idea’ of doing a sequel. I’m talking about the process of writing one. Basically, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the idea of making a sequel ‘just for the sake of it’ (as I suspect that’s how most sequels come about). Bad sequels only happen if you don’t take enough care of the writing.
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Post by number13 on Oct 25, 2018 12:21:58 GMT
It's worth noting that this boxset (for which I can't wait, Primords as well as all the other wow! highlights) will include (depending on how you define a 'sequel') the second dorney sequel to 'Inferno'.
If you haven't heard the first sort-of-sequel yet, then imo it's worth the price of the UNIT 5 - Encounters set all on its own and I very much enjoyed the rest of the set too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 10:45:42 GMT
Whilst I can understand the excitement that the announcement of a new Third Doctor Adventures release; I am afraid it's not for me. It's not for me either, but I'm delighted so many people are happy with it. It's not the Third Doctor, but it is the next best thing and it keeps Jon's era alive for fans. So I hope it does well.
I wonder will The Brig and Liz have their faces in shadow on the cover as well?!!
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Post by aztec on Oct 26, 2018 11:00:39 GMT
Mixed feelings on the recasts, I don't follow this range, nor am I a big fan of the 3rd Doctor era, but I suppose if they have recast the Doctor, why not go the whole hog and recast some for the companions/brigadier as well? Jon Culshaw certainly does a strikingly accurate impression of The Brigadier, and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before he pops up in other ranges, this isn't for me, but I'm glad others will get some enjoyment out of it (oddly I think I'd be more accepting if they brought in a new companion for the 3rd Doctor, a complete new cast rather than a mix and match of old and new seems somehow easier for me to accept) I do wonder why Mike Yates is absent? Richard Franklin is still actively acting and has reprised the role several times in the recent past for BF and the BBC.
Whilst I'd have preferred Bf to stick with companion chronicles or short trips for this era (I'm generally opposed to recasts on principle, it treads a fine line between paying tribute to an actors work, and cashing in filling a gap that doesn't need to be filled), Pertwee has been dead for two decades and BF had a smaller pool of options and available actors to work with on the 3rd Dr era so I suppose this was going to happen sooner or later...but it does make me feel a tad uneasy, why are people ok with the Brigadier being recast and not Sarah Jane? both passed away in the same year and I'd argue both actors were especially beloved by fans and their costars, it seems somewhat a case of bias/favouritism, and where do we draw the line? Hopefully it won't come to pass, but if say one of the other classic Doctors passed away this year, would BF recast the role in a few years? eventually enough stories are enough.
(One of the reasons I hope they never recast the War Doctor, as the new actor would probably end up having more performance time than Hurt did himself, less a tribute and more a wholesale replacement)
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