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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 21:40:52 GMT
I don't have it ready at hand, but wasn't it mentionced in the Serpent Quest that the Second Doctor worked for the Time Lords after his trial? Given Big Finish's releases have been recgonised within the show itself, it seems this idea can be reconciled with The Black Hole. Isn't Serpent Quest separate from Big Finish? I don't remember anything in the Nest Cottage Adventures which contradicted anything Big Finish has done (and Mrs Whibbisy has been refered to in The Worlds of Doctor Who) - and I'd imagine the BBC would want to streamline all Doctor Who material.
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Post by omega on Nov 20, 2015 22:03:11 GMT
Something that could have been expanded upon is that the properties of the area of space the habitat was in combined with the presence of the black hole rendered it a Schrodingers cat, where the people on the habitat both existed and didn't exist. A number of people do vanish, and Victoria succumbs to not existing for a short period of time, which is only brought up briefly in a conversation at the end. This would have been a fascinating concept to explore, certainly more interesting that the Two Doctors stuff.
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Post by The Matt on Nov 24, 2015 13:30:56 GMT
I enjoyed this release, i'd rate it better than The Forsaken but not as good as The Yes Men. One thing that let it down was that Deborah Watling not even trying to sound like Victoria. I thought Rufus Hound was brilliant as the Monk, i hope we get to see him again.
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Post by omega on Nov 24, 2015 21:33:06 GMT
I enjoyed this release, i'd rate it better than The Forsaken but not as good as The Yes Men. One thing that let it down was that Deborah Watling not even trying to sound like Victoria. I thought Rufus Hound was brilliant as the Monk, i hope we get to see him again. She's sounded that way since Emperor of Eternity back in 2010. At least Power Play features an older Victoria, so the different voice is somewhat justified (it's probably one of the weakest Lost Stories though). If anything, it shows how lucky we are that so many of the old actors are able to take their voice back to when they were on TV. Mind you, William Russell does a better First Doctor than Ian Chesterton at this point, and Matthew Waterhouse did have to work to recreate the voice of teenage Adric. It definitely helps when the actors were adults during their time on TV, so unless they've taken up smoking their voice hasn't changed much.
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Post by Zagreus on Nov 24, 2015 21:54:08 GMT
I actually thought she did a good job of nailing the character, even if the voice didn't match up.
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Post by kimalysong on Nov 24, 2015 22:17:26 GMT
I actually thought she did a good job of nailing the character, even if the voice didn't match up. Listened today and agreed. I think Debbie was just fine as Victoria & I was really happy she was included in the story. Anyways I thought this was excellent but then again one of my favorite villains was included. That being said I am a bit tired of the memory wipes (how many times has Jamie had his memory wiped?) I knew it had to happen when I read the synopsis but still a bit annoying. I also liked the allusions to the Two Doctors yet this story still felt very 60's. Great job but I guess I'd expect nothing less from a story written by Guerrier and script edited by Dorney.
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Post by lidar on Nov 25, 2015 8:16:57 GMT
Listened to this yesterday and loved it. The best of the EAs so far.
There was so much to love for the continuity geek - Two Doctors explained, male-female regeneration. Continuity aside the story itself was first rate. I liked having a narrator who was solely the narrator and not doubling up as one or more of the characters - in fact if we have to have a narrator at all, I would prefer it done that way in future.
Sadly, I have to agree with those who have commented on Deborah Watling's voice. It does not sound much like Victoria. Nice to see the Monk re-appearing, but was it just me or was his characterisation/portrayal just a teeny bit too reminiscent of the McQueen Master?
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Post by omega on Nov 25, 2015 8:32:27 GMT
That being said I am a bit tired of the memory wipes (how many times has Jamie had his memory wiped?) I knew it had to happen when I read the synopsis but still a bit annoying. Great job but I guess I'd expect nothing less from a story written by Guerrier and script edited by Dorney. In the Second Doctor Missing Adventure The Dark Path, a pre- Terror of the Autons Master appears, but the term "Time Lord" is never mentioned in the book. Simon Guerrier and John Dorney are two top writers. I don't either of them have produced a duff script yet, or Dorney poorly acted a role (bad acting in Big Finish is very, very rare though).
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Post by seeley on Nov 25, 2015 8:39:18 GMT
(bad acting in Big Finish is very, very rare though). And good writing, of course, is conducive to good acting (and vice-versa.) I can't really think of many appallingly acted Big Finish characters. There was that lady from Minuet in Hell, who ran the asylum. And the girl from the Blind Painter. Er, who else? I'm sure I'm missing some, but it's a testament to BF's overall quality that I can't think of them.
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Post by omega on Nov 25, 2015 8:46:50 GMT
(bad acting in Big Finish is very, very rare though). And good writing, of course, is conducive to good acting (and vice-versa.) I can't really think of many appallingly acted Big Finish characters. There was that lady from Minuet in Hell, who ran the asylum. And the girl from the Blind Painter. Er, who else? I'm sure I'm missing some, but it's a testament to BF's overall quality that I can't think of them. Minuet in Hell is lousy (in both senses of the word) with bad American accents. How dare you say Nicola Bryant cannot act! She's brilliant in The Blind Painter! There are times where an underwritten role can result in a forgettable, rather than bad, performance. Jemma Redgrave is a good actress, but is utterly forgettable in Mistfall (along with many other things about it). The smaller casts are better because all the energy is focused on two or three core characters who bounce off of each other. That's clearly evident with Confessions of Dorian Gray, where Alexander Vlahos never fails to show chemistry with any guest actor he interacts with. His Dorian could probably seduce Mary Whitehouse!
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Post by nottenst on Dec 3, 2015 16:49:02 GMT
Just finished this. It was a lot of fun, but I had one problem with the story. At the end of Pt 3 the Doctor goes off to confront the Monk and reveals that his TARDIS was counteracting the Monk's and so stopping the black hole from fully forming. Then the Monk turns off what his TARDIS is doing and so the Doctor's creates the black hole. Oops. I thought it was not the best idea to leave such an operation unmonitored so such an event might happen. It turns out that Flail was actually in the Doctor's TARDIS at this time, so it wasn't unmonitored. Why couldn't Flail have turned off the actions of the Doctor's TARDIS before it was too late?
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Post by constonks on Dec 10, 2015 4:37:30 GMT
That's clearly evident with Confessions of Dorian Gray, where Alexander Vlahos never fails to show chemistry with any guest actor he interacts with. His Dorian could probably seduce Mary Whitehouse! I've not yet heard any of the non-Worlds Dorian episodes, but I'd pre-order that box set.
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Post by omega on Dec 10, 2015 4:45:25 GMT
That's clearly evident with Confessions of Dorian Gray, where Alexander Vlahos never fails to show chemistry with any guest actor he interacts with. His Dorian could probably seduce Mary Whitehouse! I've not yet heard any of the non-Worlds Dorian episodes, but I'd pre-order that box set. The one person you'd want to be cursed by being associated with Dorian! Well, her and Donald Trump. Want to bet his obvious toupee is cursed?
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 10, 2015 15:44:42 GMT
I've not yet heard any of the non-Worlds Dorian episodes, but I'd pre-order that box set. The one person you'd want to be cursed by being associated with Dorian! Well, her and Donald Trump. Want to bet his obvious toupee is cursed? I think its just a combover. Surely a toupee would look like hair.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 12:17:27 GMT
I've just finished listening to this. I love the big reveal in episode 2, and Rufus Hound is very good, injecting some frivolity into the story. And yet apart from that big reveal, I found this the least involving on the Early Adventures so far. It dragged a little and I found my attention wandering. It's nice to hear from Victoria though, but she was written to be as hopeless and dependent as she has ever been. Debbie's voice has aged, but I never have a problem with that kind of thing - many of Big Finish's ranges are based on television shows from a long time ago, so such a thing is inevitable. I don't sound the same as I did nearly fifty years ago, after al! I'm surprised anyone does. Still, it would be nice to hear more from Rufus' character again, but hopefully in a more dynamic story.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 27, 2016 2:11:25 GMT
It's nice to hear from Victoria though, but she was written to be as hopeless and dependent as she has ever been. Well, if she wasn't hopeless and dependent than she wouldn't be Victoria.
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Post by omega on Jan 27, 2016 3:26:06 GMT
It's nice to hear from Victoria though, but she was written to be as hopeless and dependent as she has ever been. Well, if she wasn't hopeless and dependent than she wouldn't be Victoria. At least she contributed something to the plot other than screaming. She figures out that the records covering the Black Hole were all written by the same person, just as we learn who is involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 6:38:20 GMT
Well, if she wasn't hopeless and dependent than she wouldn't be Victoria. At least she contributed something to the plot other than screaming. She figures out that the records covering the Black Hole were all written by the same person, just as we learn who is involved. Yes, she isn't hopeless, it's just sequenced so that by the the she makes her big discovery, we already know, so it robs it of it's feeling that she's achieved something, which is a shame and a bit of a disservice to the character.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 12, 2017 17:21:37 GMT
Just listened after getting it in some sale a few months (I forget which one...which says something about how many Big Finish sales I've taken advantage of this year). A good story, giving a relatively meaty role to Victoria, and Fraser Hines' rendition of the second Doctor is eerily good. The playing with continuity works well, even bothering to explain why the TARDIS walls are different in The Two Doctors. Hound's Monk is just great, sounds like he's completely enjoying himself.
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Post by Ela on May 6, 2018 6:13:31 GMT
I listened to this story for the first time last week and thought it was pretty clever.
Were people really surprised by the villain reveal? Cause I was expecting it the whole first part (and I didn't listen to trailers or read the cast list, as is my usual habit, as I like to be surprised). When the Monk was revealed, I was thinking, of course it's the Monk. Not sure why I was expecting it.
Clever how it all worked out in the end.
Still not a fan of narration, even though it was David Warner in this case, who is very good.
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