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Post by timleschild on Apr 23, 2024 22:17:40 GMT
Just to be clear, are you objecting to the Rwanda Bill passing through Parliament on St George's Day, or are you objecting to Shakespeare even having a birthday regardless of what else might be going on?
Objections to the above objection :
1: St. George is patron saint of England, not the U.K.
2: Shakespeare was born in Elizabethan England. Elizabeth I was queen of England, not the U.K. ('Cry God for Harry, England (not the U.K.) and St. George!' 'Er, Will, great line but do you think it would flow better if you cut the 'not the U.K.' bit? Just saying.')
3: The U.K. is a wonderful country held in high regard around the world, which is why so many people want to come here - and do. (The U.K. is evidently not anti-immigrant; immigration has never been higher and almost all of it is legal.)
4: England is also a wonderful country, which is why so many people want to come here specifically, including from other parts of the U.K. (See 3.)
3 & 4. You're living in a dream world. UK is a joke on the world stage & seen as an unfriendly hostile place to foreigners. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2024 22:18:53 GMT
Just to be clear, are you objecting to the Rwanda Bill passing through Parliament on St George's Day, or are you objecting to Shakespeare even having a birthday regardless of what else might be going on?
Objections to the above objection :
1: St. George is patron saint of England, not the U.K.
2: Shakespeare was born in Elizabethan England. Elizabeth I was queen of England, not the U.K. ('Cry God for Harry, England (not the U.K.) and St. George!' 'Er, Will, great line but do you think it would flow better if you cut the 'not the U.K.' bit? Just saying.')
3: The U.K. is a wonderful country held in high regard around the world, which is why so many people want to come here - and do. (The U.K. is evidently not anti-immigrant; immigration has never been higher and almost all of it is legal.)
4: England is also a wonderful country, which is why so many people want to come here specifically, including from other parts of the U.K. (See 3.)
Certainly the last few points depend on your situation. My sister-in-law has has to choose between heating and eating more than once in the past two winters. I had to cancel a lot of Big Finish orders and sell a lot of possessions to keep up with mortgage payments after the Truss debacle. And we saw people die on unsafe boats just today. None of these make me feel like flying any flags. The Northern Irish at least have more access to the common market, the Scots free prescriptions...up north? It's still very grim. Like it tends to be when Conservatives govern. Has it been wine and roses under Labour? No - but it's not been Dickensian either. With St George being born in modern day Turkey, and never having been anywhere near England - he'd probably be refused entry if he tried today. And despised by the fringe racists - a lot of whom are elected officials now - who make the flag something many choose not to celebrate, unlike our cousins in the celtic nations who can fly theirs freely. If I see people flying it outside of a football match? I avoid them - they are almost always hooligans and troublemakers. |
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Apr 23, 2024 23:25:27 GMT
St George's Day, Shakespeare's Birthday...Rwanda Bill Day. What an awful country the UK is. I understand the Rwanda Bill was officially passed on the 22nd (as the day does not end until Parliament has finished it's deliberations) ...of course it is just another example of politicians doing harmful things to create a false impression they are actually doing something about a problem (however, the UK is not the only country that does things like that) |
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 24, 2024 16:46:06 GMT
I'm still not sure what point timeleschild was trying to make
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 24, 2024 21:45:51 GMT
Australia and New Zealand commemorating ANZAC Day today (Australia & New Zealand Army Corps)..
It's where a big population gets up for a Dawn service to pay respects for those who fought and died to give us our freedom :
"Ode of Remembrance"
They shall grow not old,
as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them,
nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun
and in the morning
We will remember them.
We will remember them
Lest we forget"
It's a day here when all the Political BS stops and we all get together as a nation.. In the UK, a service of commemoration and thanksgiving takes place at Westminster Abbey to mark Anzac Day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2024 2:03:07 GMT
Australia and New Zealand commemorating ANZAC Day today (Australia & New Zealand Army Corps).. It's where a big population gets up for a Dawn service to pay respects for those who fought and died to give us our freedom : "Ode of Remembrance" They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them. We will remember them Lest we forget" It's a day here when all the Political BS stops and we all get together as a nation.. In the UK, a service of commemoration and thanksgiving takes place at Westminster Abbey to mark Anzac Day. That's the middle stanza of For The Fallen, Binyen's poem. Is there any backlash to it? A date that only exists because of the Gallipoli folly being comemorated by an English poet thinking of a battle in France does seem like it's not very representative of a modern Australia and New Zealand who are moving away from being "the colonies". |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 25, 2024 2:06:44 GMT
Australia and New Zealand commemorating ANZAC Day today (Australia & New Zealand Army Corps).. It's where a big population gets up for a Dawn service to pay respects for those who fought and died to give us our freedom : "Ode of Remembrance" They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them. We will remember them Lest we forget" It's a day here when all the Political BS stops and we all get together as a nation.. In the UK, a service of commemoration and thanksgiving takes place at Westminster Abbey to mark Anzac Day. That's the middle stanza of For The Fallen, Binyen's poem. Is there any backlash to it? A date that only exists because of the Gallipoli folly being comemorated by an English poet thinking of a battle in France does seem like it's not very representative of a modern Australia and New Zealand who are moving away from being "the colonies". Nope no current day thinking backlash- This has been quoted since I can remember being the very early 1980's when I was in Primary School- possibly earlier in the 1970's.. It's quoted at all Dawn services all over the country, RSL clubs (Returned Service League) etc etc. It's pretty much mandatory without it being actual Law.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 25, 2024 4:00:46 GMT
Both made and not made..
Another FB picture sighting of Mr T Baker with a fan. They posted the name of the business he supposedly "frequents"..they were very kind and respectful with him and he gladly posed for photos with the staff, 1 of them who happened to have a toy Dalek on site.
I really hope this doesn't attract fans to hover around the area he lives in, let him get out and about in relative peace..
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Post by timleschild on Apr 25, 2024 7:18:24 GMT
Both made and not made.. Another FB picture sighting of Mr T Baker with a fan. They posted the name of the business he supposedly "frequents"..they were very kind and respectful with him and he gladly posed for photos with the staff, 1 of them who happened to have a toy Dalek on site. I really hope this doesn't attract fans to hover around the area he lives in, let him get out and about in relative peace.. What's the business? |
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Post by number13 on Apr 25, 2024 9:00:16 GMT
Objections to the above objection :
1: St. George is patron saint of England, not the U.K.
2: Shakespeare was born in Elizabethan England. Elizabeth I was queen of England, not the U.K. ('Cry God for Harry, England (not the U.K.) and St. George!' 'Er, Will, great line but do you think it would flow better if you cut the 'not the U.K.' bit? Just saying.')
3: The U.K. is a wonderful country held in high regard around the world, which is why so many people want to come here - and do. (The U.K. is evidently not anti-immigrant; immigration has never been higher and almost all of it is legal.)
4: England is also a wonderful country, which is why so many people want to come here specifically, including from other parts of the U.K. (See 3.)
Certainly the last few points depend on your situation. My sister-in-law has has to choose between heating and eating more than once in the past two winters. I had to cancel a lot of Big Finish orders and sell a lot of possessions to keep up with mortgage payments after the Truss debacle. And we saw people die on unsafe boats just today. None of these make me feel like flying any flags. The Northern Irish at least have more access to the common market, the Scots free prescriptions...up north? It's still very grim. Like it tends to be when Conservatives govern. Has it been wine and roses under Labour? No - but it's not been Dickensian either. With St George being born in modern day Turkey, and never having been anywhere near England - he'd probably be refused entry if he tried today. And despised by the fringe racists - a lot of whom are elected officials now - who make the flag something many choose not to celebrate, unlike our cousins in the celtic nations who can fly theirs freely. If I see people flying it outside of a football match? I avoid them - they are almost always hooligans and troublemakers. I don't doubt that life has been harder for many people recently, the age of cheap money and cheap goods (funded in large part by shifting industrial production to China for cheap labour) is well and truly over. Inflation is largely the result of the over-rapid bounce-back growth after Covid - the numbers have been very similar in the EU and the US, though I think our central bank was too slow raising interest rates and that made things slightly (but not much) worse here. Within a percentage point or so, we've all gone through the same spike and fall-back in inflation, regardless of which party has been in power where. (As an economically 'dry' voter, I'll refrain from expressing my opinion on the Truss episode so as to avoid troubling the mods...)
But the energy crisis was down to Putin and him alone. We're thankfully on the periphery of the conflict, but Europe (hard to believe) is at war again, something I'd taken for granted I would never have to live through after the Cold War was won and eastern Europe became free at last. Then Russia invaded Ukraine (again) and all bets were off. This house too was very cold in the winter before last; if that was my 'wartime sacrifice' then it was a trivial one to make compared with many others'.
Scotland can afford free prescriptions etc. because under the Barnet formula they get more money per head from the U.K. Treasury than anyone else. This was valid historically but now is well out of date imo and should be scrapped, but I doubt it ever will be so long as Scotland chooses to remain in the U.K.
I agree completely about the way the St. George's Cross has been usurped by the 'skinhead' types; it's a national disgrace that we've become so neglectful/denigrating of our English identity that only the wrong people seem to fly the flag. I'm proud to be British, English, partly Welsh and (going back a while) Scottish too. I'm very relieved that the Labour party seems to be getting back to being the party of patriots like Attlee and Callaghan; too often the modern left has seemed actively against being proud of our country, which would have baffled the wartime generation of Labour politicians. We can argue about where we want the country to go, but compared with almost everywhere on earth and any point in time, we are in a very good starting place. I think it's too easy to take for granted the extraordinary wealth, health and comfort of the lives of the vast majority of British people, as judged by any global or historical standards. (And I'm not thinking of the Middle Ages, just the world my parents grew up in, or even the 1960s when I have my first memories from.)
The U.K. welcomes large numbers of legal migrants from countries across the world, every year. Last year was the most ever, I think, and that is under the rules laid down by the current government. So I don't think we're unwelcoming or that they have been running a 'fringe racist' immigration policy. Migration is a big benefit to the country but obviously economic migrants are expected to have skills the U.K. wants, which I think is fair enough. I'm sure St. George would get in. Very few people can slay dragons. |
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Post by number13 on Apr 25, 2024 9:17:18 GMT
That's the middle stanza of For The Fallen, Binyen's poem. Is there any backlash to it? A date that only exists because of the Gallipoli folly being comemorated by an English poet thinking of a battle in France does seem like it's not very representative of a modern Australia and New Zealand who are moving away from being "the colonies". Nope no current day thinking backlash- This has been quoted since I can remember being the very early 1980's when I was in Primary School- possibly earlier in the 1970's.. It's quoted at all Dawn services all over the country, RSL clubs (Returned Service League) etc etc. It's pretty much mandatory without it being actual Law.
It's worth reminding people beyond Australia and New Zealand that your armed forces (of all three services) served in many different places in Europe & the Mediterranean in both World Wars, as well as the Far East and Pacific. Including in 'France and Flanders' during the First World War. I remember my Dad (one Remembrance Day here) talking about what a high reputation they earned in both wars. |
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 25, 2024 9:59:29 GMT
Australia and New Zealand commemorating ANZAC Day today (Australia & New Zealand Army Corps).. It's where a big population gets up for a Dawn service to pay respects for those who fought and died to give us our freedom : "Ode of Remembrance" They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them. We will remember them Lest we forget" It's a day here when all the Political BS stops and we all get together as a nation.. In the UK, a service of commemoration and thanksgiving takes place at Westminster Abbey to mark Anzac Day. Lest We Forget and
Agreed wish we could have more people coming together than being divided by BS politics
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2024 10:02:32 GMT
Both made and not made.. Another FB picture sighting of Mr T Baker with a fan. They posted the name of the business he supposedly "frequents"..they were very kind and respectful with him and he gladly posed for photos with the staff, 1 of them who happened to have a toy Dalek on site. I really hope this doesn't attract fans to hover around the area he lives in, let him get out and about in relative peace.. Perhaps, and your intent was good, do not post about it then? The more people who know that Tom lives in a small but reasonably secret place there are, the more who will google, tweet and want to find his address for fan mail or sightings. If we too leave his anonymity alone by not talking about it, we add to the chances of it not being broken. |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 25, 2024 10:19:51 GMT
Both made and not made.. Another FB picture sighting of Mr T Baker with a fan. They posted the name of the business he supposedly "frequents"..they were very kind and respectful with him and he gladly posed for photos with the staff, 1 of them who happened to have a toy Dalek on site. I really hope this doesn't attract fans to hover around the area he lives in, let him get out and about in relative peace.. Perhaps, and your intent was good, do not post about it then? The more people who know that Tom lives in a small but reasonably secret place there are, the more who will google, tweet and want to find his address for fan mail or sightings. If we too leave his anonymity alone by not talking about it, we add to the chances of it not being broken.
I did a "soft post" about this -I have seen multiple posts on FB and Twitter with the locations and I chose not to post those.
It's a bit of a feelgood post as well, he is healthy, out and about enjoying his life..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 7:36:30 GMT
Had nasty tumble last Wednesday, to bloody bruised knees, pulled muscles in neck, jarred my back & had mild concussion.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 30, 2024 8:23:07 GMT
Had nasty tumble last Wednesday, to bloody bruised knees, pulled muscles in neck, jarred my back & had mild concussion. Bro... I had something similar happen to me Friday evening. Back randumbly crapped out opening the front door, I literally fell into wifey who was walking inside. Bulging disc in lower back- I am not fit to drive still.
Walking old men is what we are..!
I will email you..
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 30, 2024 9:08:36 GMT
Big smile Tom !!  |
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Post by timleschild on Apr 30, 2024 10:28:23 GMT
The disgusting ********** homophobic rant has not made my day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 11:46:39 GMT
The disgusting ********** homophobic rant has not made my day. What one? |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 6:18:24 GMT
Had nasty tumble last Wednesday, to bloody bruised knees, pulled muscles in neck, jarred my back & had mild concussion. Bro... I had something similar happen to me Friday evening. Back randumbly crapped out opening the front door, I literally fell into wifey who was walking inside. Bulging disc in lower back- I am not fit to drive still.
Walking old men is what we are..!
I will email you..
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