|
|
Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 7, 2024 21:47:32 GMT
Oh, that is easy why some apples are "not vegan". Some apples are treated and coated in bee's wax, which is an animal product and therefore not vegan. The wax is put on to make apples look prettier and more shiny.
If they are true vegan, than they have no wax cover.
In the same way some beer is not vegan. For example, in some beer varieties (and this is pretty common! or has been in the past), the beer is filtered through a material made from fish swim bladders. This is no joke and is even used in Germany, where beer is sacred. But if fish bladders are used in the filtering of beer, vegetarians do not consider this beer "vegetarian" anymore.
So if you buy guaranteed vegan beer, it was produced without swim bladders.
Thanks tui, I knew someone would know, this is a great forum! So it's just pointless cosmetic treatment by retailers, yuk. Glad to say where we shop the apples are sold loose and look like apples. Fruit and veg that looks too 'perfect' always makes me suspect either a variety bred for looks, not taste, or ridiculous amounts of waste from sorting out 'imperfect' produce.
For me, beer is something that happens to other people! Though I do know one person who has probably sampled every beer in every pub for miles around - some people are really serious about it in England too.
Straight out of highschool in the early 90's I did 9 years at the biggest Supermarket franchise in Australia- I did 1 year in the F n V Department.. They were "fresh off the truck" every morning however, were sitting in the warehouse after being treated.. for Months.. |
|
|
|
Post by number13 on Sept 7, 2024 22:08:12 GMT
Thanks tui, I knew someone would know, this is a great forum! So it's just pointless cosmetic treatment by retailers, yuk. Glad to say where we shop the apples are sold loose and look like apples. Fruit and veg that looks too 'perfect' always makes me suspect either a variety bred for looks, not taste, or ridiculous amounts of waste from sorting out 'imperfect' produce.
For me, beer is something that happens to other people! Though I do know one person who has probably sampled every beer in every pub for miles around - some people are really serious about it in England too.
Straight out of highschool in the early 90's I did 9 years at the biggest Supermarket franchise in Australia- I did 1 year in the F n V Department.. They were "fresh off the truck" every morning however, were sitting in the warehouse after being treated.. for Months.. Yum, delicious! 
I don't understand why people want to eat fruit & veg way out of season when there's always something good that's in season. And far more locally grown, and cheaper. Bananas and citrus the exceptions, they travel well and can travel slowly so really are year-round and have been for a long time. Otherwise, I think seasonality is part of the pleasure of fresh food as well as being a lot kinder to the environment - and the wallet!
|
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Sept 8, 2024 9:39:14 GMT
Straight out of highschool in the early 90's I did 9 years at the biggest Supermarket franchise in Australia- I did 1 year in the F n V Department.. They were "fresh off the truck" every morning however, were sitting in the warehouse after being treated.. for Months.. Yum, delicious!
I don't understand why people want to eat fruit & veg way out of season when there's always something good that's in season. And far more locally grown, and cheaper. Bananas and citrus the exceptions, they travel well and can travel slowly so really are year-round and have been for a long time. Otherwise, I think seasonality is part of the pleasure of fresh food as well as being a lot kinder to the environment - and the wallet!
As part of my veterinary degree, I had to do 1 year of food studies. We had to learn how to do food examinations, all the legal stuff and do practicals at the local veterinary authorities and of course the 3 months of hell, in the slaughterhouse.
Believe me, everybody, never ever tempt me to go into the rabbit hole of telling anyone of industrial farming (including industrial slaughter). I guarantee sleepless nights.
To cite Warhammer 40000: Ignorance is Bliss.
|
|
|
|
Post by number13 on Sept 8, 2024 11:01:32 GMT
Yum, delicious!
I don't understand why people want to eat fruit & veg way out of season when there's always something good that's in season. And far more locally grown, and cheaper. Bananas and citrus the exceptions, they travel well and can travel slowly so really are year-round and have been for a long time. Otherwise, I think seasonality is part of the pleasure of fresh food as well as being a lot kinder to the environment - and the wallet!
As part of my veterinary degree, I had to do 1 year of food studies. We had to learn how to do food examinations, all the legal stuff and do practicals at the local veterinary authorities and of course the 3 months of hell, in the slaughterhouse.
Believe me, everybody, never ever tempt me to go into the rabbit hole of telling anyone of industrial farming (including industrial slaughter). I guarantee sleepless nights.
To cite Warhammer 40000: Ignorance is Bliss.
I've only seen film (I did some bio-science a long long time ago!) but I don't have many illusions about it. I grew up in very non-industrial mixed farming country, where dairy cows actually lived outdoors most of the year (amazing as it might seem in some places now!), pigs were visibly free-range in big fields and sheep grazed the hills as they had done for hundreds of years. And I'm pleased to say they still do. I'd never be vegetarian but I don't eat much meat, so when we do buy meat I don't mind at all spending a bit more for quality, for us and the animals.
When my Dad was young, pre-WWII lots of local people including them still kept a couple of pigs for home consumption, and his nan was a skilled countrywoman who could turn a pig into a larder full of food stored for months to come. She did everything except actually kill the pig - they had travelling pig-men for that in those days... Modern regulators would throw the book at them! But was that better for the pig than some 'approved' farming methods today?
|
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Sept 8, 2024 18:50:33 GMT
As part of my veterinary degree, I had to do 1 year of food studies. We had to learn how to do food examinations, all the legal stuff and do practicals at the local veterinary authorities and of course the 3 months of hell, in the slaughterhouse.
Believe me, everybody, never ever tempt me to go into the rabbit hole of telling anyone of industrial farming (including industrial slaughter). I guarantee sleepless nights.
To cite Warhammer 40000: Ignorance is Bliss.
I've only seen film (I did some bio-science a long long time ago!) but I don't have many illusions about it. I grew up in very non-industrial mixed farming country, where dairy cows actually lived outdoors most of the year (amazing as it might seem in some places now!), pigs were visibly free-range in big fields and sheep grazed the hills as they had done for hundreds of years. And I'm pleased to say they still do. I'd never be vegetarian but I don't eat much meat, so when we do buy meat I don't mind at all spending a bit more for quality, for us and the animals.
When my Dad was young, pre-WWII lots of local people including them still kept a couple of pigs for home consumption, and his nan was a skilled countrywoman who could turn a pig into a larder full of food stored for months to come. She did everything except actually kill the pig - they had travelling pig-men for that in those days... Modern regulators would throw the book at them! But was that better for the pig than some 'approved' farming methods today?
Well, I grew up on a farm. As a very small kid, I was already explained that animals had to die for us to give us food. Even as kids we watched the slaughter.
We did house slaughters, and my grandparents had some great recipes for home made sausages. My dad makes a mean salami!
But the animal had to be honored, and waste was anathema to my grandparents who lived through the war. The whole pig was used. The. Whole. Pig.
Even the ears were used to make gelatin, and as kids, when we went to school, we had a competition running home from the bus, because the fastest would be given a special treat- the brain. Roasted with onions.
It was different back then (40 years ago!, man I am old), and I admit, I do not think I would be able to eat brain now (except if I was starving of course).
My grandma was very strict, and if we as kids did not like what we ate ( I HATE kidneys with a passion) then we would be punished and were not allowed to stand up from the table before we finished eating. Because: The animal had died for us, and we had to honor it and not throw parts of it away.
Our pigs were tame. Our pigs were let out and and when the stable was cleaned, we closed the doors and the pigs could roam the yard.
The pigs also followed willingly and happily when it was time for slaughter. There was no stress. No pressure. The pig was led (yes, I am aware that this is betrayal!) to the butcher, and the final seconds were very fast and there was no struggle.
This is actually still allowed and practiced in Germany, it is just necessary that a vet comes to the farm and checks the meat over. And it is not allowed commercially, so we could not sell any of the produce.
But can you imagine the stress and suffering of industrial pigs, who are carted for many kilometres in a packed lorry, then driven out to the waiting yards, where they can hear all the screams and smell the blood?
Dear god. I think it should be obvious what is the "nicer" way.
|
|
|
|
Post by timleschild on Sept 8, 2024 21:02:06 GMT
Nicest way is to not eat meat.
|
|
|
|
Post by number13 on Sept 8, 2024 22:25:26 GMT
Well, I grew up on a farm. As a very small kid, I was already explained that animals had to die for us to give us food. Even as kids we watched the slaughter.
We did house slaughters, and my grandparents had some great recipes for home made sausages. My dad makes a mean salami!
But the animal had to be honored, and waste was anathema to my grandparents who lived through the war. The whole pig was used. The. Whole. Pig.
Even the ears were used to make gelatin, and as kids, when we went to school, we had a competition running home from the bus, because the fastest would be given a special treat- the brain. Roasted with onions.
It was different back then (40 years ago!, man I am old), and I admit, I do not think I would be able to eat brain now (except if I was starving of course).
My grandma was very strict, and if we as kids did not like what we ate ( I HATE kidneys with a passion) then we would be punished and were not allowed to stand up from the table before we finished eating. Because: The animal had died for us, and we had to honor it and not throw parts of it away.
Our pigs were tame. Our pigs were let out and and when the stable was cleaned, we closed the doors and the pigs could roam the yard.
The pigs also followed willingly and happily when it was time for slaughter. There was no stress. No pressure. The pig was led (yes, I am aware that this is betrayal!) to the butcher, and the final seconds were very fast and there was no struggle.
This is actually still allowed and practiced in Germany, it is just necessary that a vet comes to the farm and checks the meat over. And it is not allowed commercially, so we could not sell any of the produce. But can you imagine the stress and suffering of industrial pigs, who are carted for many kilometres in a packed lorry, then driven out to the waiting yards, where they can hear all the screams and smell the blood?
Dear god. I think it should be obvious what is the "nicer" way.
Agree. My question in my earlier post was rhetorical, as I'm sure you realised. Your pigs sound like the ones my Dad's family kept when he was a boy - they roamed around, would eat anything and always had to be kept out of the coal store because they loved crunching it! 
Dad and Mum both grew up with wartime rationing of course and to this day I try not to waste any food. It's so easy not to now with freezers of course. And it helps that I have zero major food dislikes and have always been happy to eat anything that's actually edible for humans! (I remember once being served a type of clam which pushed my tolerance a bit because it was like eating pieces of mildly fish-flavoured rubber tyres, but I did it! And some sort of Icelandic dried fish-thing that should have been served along with a hammer and chisel. But it wasn't bad once you managed to get it chewable.  ) |
|
|
|
Post by aemiliapaula on Sept 10, 2024 23:48:48 GMT
not made: being woken up at 5am by a call from one of the schools I work at that there was a "non-credible threat" (which was determined to not pose any danger and we still had school)
made (?): everything was OK at all the schools in our district today
|
|
Kestrel
Chancellery Guard
Likes: 2,786
|
Post by Kestrel on Sept 12, 2024 4:28:59 GMT
I always question how that determination of credibility is made, especially considering that every time there is an shooting, it seems, there were often preceding incidents that faculty/staff ignored or dismissed. I think in my time at high school we had... maybe 4 threats? At least three. That the student knew about, at least. They never cancelled classes and I don't recall they even acknowledged the threats to us, so it was all spread via word-of-mouth. Virtually half of the students would just up and leave school. Nicest way is to not eat meat. True, of course. Personally, I still eat meat, but I absolutely cannot justify that choice ethically. Especially given the conditions of the the meat industry we rely on today. All I can say in my defense is that I don't eat much meat, and welcome the day (which will likely come in my lifetime, thanks to climate change) when synthetic and faux-meats become the norm. But with regard to the more anachronistic (or analog? Traditional? not sure what the right term would be) form of livestock-raising-and-consumption tuigirl described, I do think there's an argument to be made: that's a context where we're effectively entering into a contract with livestock, in which we provide food, shelter, safety from predators and limited health care in exchange for killing and consuming them. Of course, that line of reasoning makes the certain other aspects of the modern meat industry even more heinous. Similarly there's the argument against pet ownership, with a similar justification -- wherein we provide more, and receive less -- that is much more persuasive, in my view. Even before getting into the truly monstrous actions people who claim to care about the "ethical treatment of animals" regularly commit. |
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Sept 12, 2024 18:28:59 GMT
After 30 degrees heat on the weekend, the week started wet, dark and COLD. 15 degrees max.
However, our company boss had birthday and sponsored the local ice-cream truck to come and everybody could have ice cream.
I know, not the ideal weather, but it was free ice cream.
|
|
|
|
Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 12, 2024 20:14:26 GMT
After 30 degrees heat on the weekend, the week started wet, dark and COLD. 15 degrees max. However, our company boss had birthday and sponsored the local ice-cream truck to come and everybody could have ice cream. I know, not the ideal weather, but it was free ice cream. Is that you i see in the pic lining up?
|
|
|
|
Post by bethhigdon on Sept 12, 2024 21:48:22 GMT
God I'm getting tired of my work jerking me around.
First they beg me to switch over to this new position/shift
And now it looks like they may ask me to switch back again
All because they can't just hire on new people like a responsible business
And because one my managers is a Trump loving nutbag who has it out for me because I dared to point out that Dear Leader is a liar and a racist.
I need new job, bad, but like the only people who are hiring are offering much less pay and I can barely stay afloat on my current paycheck.
|
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Sept 12, 2024 21:48:28 GMT
After 30 degrees heat on the weekend, the week started wet, dark and COLD. 15 degrees max. However, our company boss had birthday and sponsored the local ice-cream truck to come and everybody could have ice cream. I know, not the ideal weather, but it was free ice cream. Is that you i see in the pic lining up?
Nah, I came late since I still had work to do, I came after the big rush (and there are a few more metal fans with metal shirts and jumpers, it is not just me). Plus, I went to the cantina first for some real food, and the ice cream came as desert.
You have to time these things strategically. Arrive so you miss the rush, but still have the choice of all the flavours. People who came 15min after me missed out on some awesome flavours.
|
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Sept 12, 2024 21:49:56 GMT
God I'm getting tired of my work jerking me around. First they beg me to switch over to this new position/shift And now it looks like they may ask me to switch back again All because they can't just hire on new people like a responsible business And because one my managers is a Trump loving nutbag who has it out for me because I dared to point out that Dear Leader is a liar and a racist. I need new job, bad, but like the only people who are hiring are offering much less pay and I can barely stay afloat on my current paycheck. I feel you.
Not sure how much say you have in this? Wishing you strength in any case.
|
|
|
|
Post by bethhigdon on Sept 12, 2024 21:58:41 GMT
God I'm getting tired of my work jerking me around. First they beg me to switch over to this new position/shift And now it looks like they may ask me to switch back again All because they can't just hire on new people like a responsible business And because one my managers is a Trump loving nutbag who has it out for me because I dared to point out that Dear Leader is a liar and a racist. I need new job, bad, but like the only people who are hiring are offering much less pay and I can barely stay afloat on my current paycheck. I feel you.
Not sure how much say you have in this? Wishing you strength in any case.
The boss sent an email to everyone saying that shift changes were "non-negotiable" basically because I made a big stink over it last time they changed my schedule on me without warraning/permission. They're also implementing mandatory overtime for everyone on the call center side, so if they move me again I also have that to look forward to. This election can't come fast enough. At least then I could plan ahead better. It's like I'm in limbo until then. |
|
|
|
Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 14, 2024 13:01:47 GMT
Bittersweet, but Paul Kidby has drawn covers for novels that Terry Pratchett talked about but never wrote, to be included in his book "Designing Terry Pratchett's Discworld"
https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/1ffy6qv/designing_terry_pratchetts_discworld_paul_kidbys/
(per Twitter, the publisher is offering postcards of some of these as promo items to the book trade. Maybe they will turn up in bookshops)
|
|
shutupbanks
Castellan
There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
Likes: 5,945 
|
Post by shutupbanks on Sept 14, 2024 13:35:40 GMT
Bittersweet, but Paul Kidby has drawn covers for novels that Terry Pratchett talked about but never wrote, to be included in his book "Designing Terry Pratchett's Discworld" https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/1ffy6qv/designing_terry_pratchetts_discworld_paul_kidbys/ (per Twitter, the publisher is offering postcards of some of these as promo items to the book trade. Maybe they will turn up in bookshops) Read that news earlier today: this book has gone from a “would be nice” to “must have.” |
|
|
|
Post by bethhigdon on Sept 15, 2024 19:10:20 GMT
Just got a threatening and insulting text message from an anonymous number just an hour ago.
I would have ignored it and marked as just spam, except the text specifically referenced the fight I had at the office with my coworkers.
So now I'm trying to figure out if one of my coworkers is trying to intimidate me, or if my sister's shitty boyfriend is hacking her phone conversations and sending shit to me to try and stir crap up because I told her to leave his ass.
I only mention the boyfriend because my sister just got done with two instances of someone hacking her phone and sending nudes to her coworkers and male friends just to start arguments with them.
This only happened after said boyfriend bought her a new phone and when it happened the first time the boyfriend sent it to one of his friends to be 'traced' rather than going to the police.
Also said boyfriend has a history of being in a gang and going to prison for drug use, and he's been abusive and controlling to her ever since she moved in.
|
|
|
|
Post by relativetime on Sept 16, 2024 16:00:49 GMT
There's been this person on Twitter who has been watching the Matt Smith era for the first time the past few weeks because she liked him in House of the Dragon and posting her reactions online. It's honestly one of the most wholesome things I have ever seen and has just made my day again and again. So sad it's over now but ahhhh it was fun just to watch someone geek out over the Eleventh Doctor like it's 2013 all over again.
|
|
|
|
Post by shallacatop on Sept 16, 2024 19:30:43 GMT
There's been this person on Twitter who has been watching the Matt Smith era for the first time the past few weeks because she liked him in House of the Dragon and posting her reactions online. It's honestly one of the most wholesome things I have ever seen and has just made my day again and again. So sad it's over now but ahhhh it was fun just to watch someone geek out over the Eleventh Doctor like it's 2013 all over again. It’s been wonderful, hasn’t it? Great to see a whole new appreciation and re-evaluation of Matt’s tenure. We’re now in a time where those who grew up with Matt are of an age where they’re getting into fandom and make their voices known. Quite right too; he is the very best! |
|
)
