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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 23:06:34 GMT
Yeah, Klein knows she had an alternate timeline and why.....but she doesn't "remember" it, no.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 13, 2018 23:08:39 GMT
Since when does she remember her original timeline? I know she's aware of it, but I wouldn't say she remembers it. Sorry your right aware more then remembers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 6:33:46 GMT
this was an interesting story very even paced Klein and The Doctor work well together.Its been an interesting arc for Daniel.
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Post by omega on Nov 14, 2018 7:33:13 GMT
Does Nazi Klein even exist anymore? The Doctor fears Nazi Klein may emerge, which is why he stalks UNIT Klein in the background to UNIT Dominion, but this never comes to pass.
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Post by omega on Nov 14, 2018 7:35:25 GMT
Since when does she remember her original timeline? I know she's aware of it, but I wouldn't say she remembers it. She finds out in UNIT Dominion, when Raine let’s slip a Fraulein Klein comment, and the Master is all too happy to spill the beans. Despite the Doctor’s fears that the dimensional instability could cause Nazi Klein to emerge, it doesn’t happen.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 15, 2018 14:32:24 GMT
Dear god, that was hard work.
Part One is brilliant. It builds up suspense, it’s interesting and has a lot going for it. Then we get to Part Two and it spends the following three episodes meandering. As though the main plot is on its way, but never ends up materialising.
Sylvester is fantastic. Klein is wasted, final scene aside. Hopkins throughout the trilogy never really elevates beyond being a wet fish. Linda is pretty good here, but is let down by her lack of development in The Helliax Rift.
The trilogy as a whole amounts to absolutely nothing, really. Hour of the Cybermen is the best of the three, and even then I thought it was only fairly good. The best thing going for it is that it tried to be its own story.
I think I’d have just done three standalone stories with Doctor / companion pairings that haven’t been used recently.
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Post by Digi on Nov 16, 2018 0:31:31 GMT
It does meander a little bit, but (and this is a little unusual, at least from my POV) the really incredible sound design on this one kept me mostly focused even during the lulls.
I was listening to this during a particularly frustrating commute home today (a 30 minute commute that took two hours), so I've probably missed a bunch of small details just from being distracted (and enraged) by the vehicles around me, but on the whole I enjoyed it.
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Post by elkawho on Nov 16, 2018 2:00:03 GMT
It does meander a little bit, but (and this is a little unusual, at least from my POV) the really incredible sound design on this one kept me mostly focused even during the lulls. I was listening to this during a particularly frustrating commute home today (a 30 minute commute that took two hours), so I've probably missed a bunch of small details just from being distracted (and enraged) by the vehicles around me, but on the whole I enjoyed it. So, I take it you live in the Northeastern US as well? I really liked this story. Yes, it meandered a bit, but it never lost me. And we have never seen a character like Daniel. Usually we hear that the people that The Doctor comes across are always changed for the better. And yes, they could have used Klein a little better, but I won't complain about having her in this story. And the ending was very nice.
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Post by Digi on Nov 16, 2018 3:00:19 GMT
It does meander a little bit, but (and this is a little unusual, at least from my POV) the really incredible sound design on this one kept me mostly focused even during the lulls. I was listening to this during a particularly frustrating commute home today (a 30 minute commute that took two hours), so I've probably missed a bunch of small details just from being distracted (and enraged) by the vehicles around me, but on the whole I enjoyed it. So, I take it you live in the Northeastern US as well? Not quite...I'm in the Toronto area, but it's probably the exact same weather pattern
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Post by constonks on Nov 16, 2018 4:21:46 GMT
It does meander a little bit, but (and this is a little unusual, at least from my POV) the really incredible sound design on this one kept me mostly focused even during the lulls. I'm not sure if it was the sound design or just being excited for Klein, but I agree that even during parts where the story faltered a bit (mostly around part 2(?) when they were first locked in the facility/Ship) I didn't find myself going "wait what just happened?" and skipping back - which I do even during good stories sometimes! As it stands, I liked it. Didn't love it, but I'd probably revisit it at some point, likely alongside Helliax & Hour - might be nice to hear them back-to-back instead of months apart. I will say one major thing that bugged me in the story, though - and it's a spoiler so... I didn't like that Gregory Lord got killed so unceremoniously. I actually wasn't even sure he died and it had to be explained in a "here's what visuals you missed!" kind of way but that's not the main problem. The main problem is he didn't really affect the story much except being the catalyst for the prison break and then no-one even mentions him after that as far as I remember? It felt like Lyons didn't really know what to do with him after Part 1 but honestly I don't know what would have been satisfying.
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Post by The Matt on Nov 16, 2018 10:29:08 GMT
Well that was massively........average. It's never going to stand out in the BF range. I did find the end of Daniel Hopkins arc to be something of an anticlimax. Also, not sure what to make of Richard Gibson as McKenna. I found him to be most unconvincing to be honest.
5/10 at at best.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Nov 17, 2018 14:02:30 GMT
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Post by eric009 on Nov 17, 2018 23:18:47 GMT
poll yet
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Post by eric009 on Nov 17, 2018 23:24:36 GMT
Well that was massively........average. It's never going to stand out in the BF range. I did find the end of Daniel Hopkins arc to be something of an anticlimax. Also, not sure what to make of Richard Gibson as McKenna. I found him to be most unconvincing to be honest. 5/10 at at best. 8/10 normaly i put a 10/10 someone change of unit don't know what the dr looks like very bad form indeed
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 18, 2018 8:57:31 GMT
I enjoyed it, it felt very much like a Third Doctor story, love McCoys Doctor teasing the characters & Blake Harrison as Daniel Hopkins has been a excellent character throughout this trilogy & i hope this ain't the last we'll hear of him.
I like the choice & consequences of the story it adds believability that characters with the best intentions can not see the bigger picture & become fallible.
4/5.
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Post by levi3o4 on Nov 18, 2018 14:51:05 GMT
So, hate to be that guy, but what's the timeline placement on this one for the Doctor? Right after the previous Klein trilogy, or does he reunite with her on this one?
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Post by mark687 on Nov 18, 2018 14:54:15 GMT
So, hate to be that guy, but what's the timeline placement on this one for the Doctor? Right after the previous Klein trilogy, or does he reunite with her on this one? After the pervious Trilogy I'd say.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 19, 2018 19:10:12 GMT
Quite enjoyed that. A tense piece. Hopkins ends up as a really quite malevolent presence.
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Post by theotherjosh on Nov 21, 2018 17:10:16 GMT
I’ve been looking forward to this one ever since it was announced. I'd listen to any story with Klein in it, but Big Finish have been good to me by never serving up a bad one. (Her second trilogy wasn't as strong as the first, but what is?) Klein is such a delightful foil to the Seventh Doctor.
It had been a few months since I listened to the first installments in the trilogy and I think I would have appreciated Warlock’s Cross more if I had given them another listen. I didn’t have any trouble following the plot, but I do feel that that the span between the story robbed it of impact. Again, that’s on me, as this state of affairs could have been easily remedied with a little effort on my part.
I can take or leave multi-Doctor arcs, but I really enjoyed the concept behind this one. I would have liked to have heard it continue with the Unit Crew from the 90s, in part because it would allow the gag of having Klein mistake Colonel Brimmicombe-Wood for Kurtz, but mostly because I’m very fond of that particular UNIT crew and I wouldn’t find hearing them and/or Bambera again.
I happen to like Steve Lyons’ writing enormously. His Completely Useless Encyclopedia is my absolute favorite Doctor Who reference book. And his Big Finish stuff is top notch too.
For instance, I liked this exchange:
“Like you, I'm not the man I was then.” “Perhaps we just show different faces to the world.”
I like that UNIT has specific protocols to remove officers from duty if alien influence is suspected.
The call sign halfway through the story is Mike Romeo November Four-Niner. I thought that was maybe a reference to Main Range Number 49, but that story was Master, and there doesn’t seem to be any significance to that.
Hopkins was such an intriguing character. I enjoyed his evolution over the stories.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 21, 2018 18:05:38 GMT
Questions...to those who have listened to this
Is Will Arrowsmith referenced in this story?
Is the cliffhanger at the end of Daleks Among Us addressed?
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