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Post by kinghumble on Nov 24, 2018 22:02:50 GMT
I won't lie, if this rumour turns out true, it'll certainly piss me off. I'll want to know who to blame - Chibnall for quitting, or BBC execs for failing to compromise.
Not that I'll be in any position to demand answers, of course, but I'll remain upset
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 22:43:18 GMT
I won't lie, if this rumour turns out true, it'll certainly piss me off. I'll want to know who to blame - Chibnall for quitting, or BBC execs for failing to compromise. Not that I'll be in any position to demand answers, of course, but I'll remain upset I get the feeling that there may be something in the rumour. It seems plausible and has been sounded out prior to the Outpost Skaro news item. It matters not to myself whether it is true or not. The current run feels to me like that point when, at a party for all ages (friends, family) the DJ puts something on for the younger generation and you go back to the bar. That's to say I have no problem in not being into it at this point in time, but know that nothing is 'fixed' in format. I just wish the series was more of a permanent fixture than it feels at present. I also get the impression that many viewers feel it is a bit watered down at the moment, without being poor. Without anything being said officially, i am getting 1985/86 vibes again, more from the lack of 'talk' from the BBC and the Production team.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 24, 2018 23:15:10 GMT
I just wish the series was more of a permanent fixture than it feels at present. I also get the impression that many viewers feel it is a bit watered down at the moment, without being poor. Without anything being said officially, i am getting 1985/86 vibes again, more from the lack of 'talk' from the BBC and the Production team. Thing is, why would they need to comment on something that's, at best, a niche story? They didn't correct the Sontaran rumour when that was going around, or the Dalek rumour. Like with announcing the start of filming, it's only news or consequence to us, the core fandom: the casuals have no reason to be remotely interested in the subject. They'll only care when the next trailer and release date drop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 23:31:35 GMT
I just wish the series was more of a permanent fixture than it feels at present. I also get the impression that many viewers feel it is a bit watered down at the moment, without being poor. Without anything being said officially, i am getting 1985/86 vibes again, more from the lack of 'talk' from the BBC and the Production team. Thing is, why would they need to comment on something that's, at best, a niche story? They didn't correct the Sontaran rumour when that was going around, or the Dalek rumour. Like with announcing the start of filming, it's only news or consequence to us, the core fandom: the casuals have no reason to be remotely interested in the subject. They'll only care when the next trailer and release date drop. Apologies. I am not referring to talk about the rumours, but more as to the way the series seems to be being promoted at present. Lots of Dramas and programmes by the BBC are being heavily trailed and promoted in the press, so that without watching, you cannot escape them. Doctor Who, beyond focused marketing, such as the official online channels, email news, twitter etc, does not seem to be gaining a buzz in the press at the moment, unless you search for it. It is a big budget, high value show, but it feels as if they are sitting back and observing what traction it garners. What kind of feedback is it generating, positives and negatives. The show is now promoted as 'Adventures in Time and Space for all the Family'. Less horror, less darkness and less scares, at least from what people are saying. Perhaps they are looking to see how this different approach to the format is working. Many like it, but many are dissatisfied also. Has the show been featured on 'The One Show'/'Graham Norton' during the run, for example?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 2:43:38 GMT
Thing is, why would they need to comment on something that's, at best, a niche story? They didn't correct the Sontaran rumour when that was going around, or the Dalek rumour. Like with announcing the start of filming, it's only news or consequence to us, the core fandom: the casuals have no reason to be remotely interested in the subject. They'll only care when the next trailer and release date drop. Apologies. I am not referring to talk about the rumours, but more as to the way the series seems to be being promoted at present. Lots of Dramas and programmes by the BBC are being heavily trailed and promoted in the press, so that without watching, you cannot escape them. Doctor Who, beyond focused marketing, such as the official online channels, email news, twitter etc, does not seem to be gaining a buzz in the press at the moment, unless you search for it. It is a big budget, high value show, but it feels as if they are sitting back and observing what traction it garners. What kind of feedback is it generating, positives and negatives. The show is now promoted as 'Adventures in Time and Space for all the Family'. Less horror, less darkness and less scares, at least from what people are saying. Perhaps they are looking to see how this different approach to the format is working. Many like it, but many are dissatisfied also. Has the show been featured on 'The One Show'/'Graham Norton' during the run, for example? Yes, and it’s on the front of magazines this week as well. Its prescence is far higher this year than many series previously. It may not be to the amount of other shows anymore because we’re 8 weeks into the run, and also the fact that Dr Who almost sells itself nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 3:02:00 GMT
Apologies. I am not referring to talk about the rumours, but more as to the way the series seems to be being promoted at present. Lots of Dramas and programmes by the BBC are being heavily trailed and promoted in the press, so that without watching, you cannot escape them. Doctor Who, beyond focused marketing, such as the official online channels, email news, twitter etc, does not seem to be gaining a buzz in the press at the moment, unless you search for it. It is a big budget, high value show, but it feels as if they are sitting back and observing what traction it garners. What kind of feedback is it generating, positives and negatives. The show is now promoted as 'Adventures in Time and Space for all the Family'. Less horror, less darkness and less scares, at least from what people are saying. Perhaps they are looking to see how this different approach to the format is working. Many like it, but many are dissatisfied also. Has the show been featured on 'The One Show'/'Graham Norton' during the run, for example? Yes, and it’s on the front of magazines this week as well. Its prescence is far higher this year than many series previously. It may not be to the amount of other shows anymore because we’re 8 weeks into the run, and also the fact that Dr Who almost sells itself nowadays. And, to meet one of Daver's points, yes, Jodie was absolutely on Graham Norton promoting the series, as well as Good Morning Britain and This Morning amongst a hundred online outlets. The show's been more visible in pop culture this year than it has for quite a while.
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Post by kinghumble on Nov 25, 2018 3:23:44 GMT
Yeah - I was on YouTube today and one of my suggested videos had Jodie on Graham Norton's couch alongside Bradley Cooper, Lady Gaga, and Ryan Gosling... Certainly seems high profile!
Though i'll admit the video was from before Jodie's debut, so I have no idea how high profile the series has remained in Britain since
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 4:15:38 GMT
Yeah - I was on YouTube today and one of my suggested videos had Jodie on Graham Norton's couch alongside Bradley Cooper, Lady Gaga, and Ryan Gosling... Certainly seems high profile! Though i'll admit the video was from before Jodie's debut, so I have no idea how high profile the series has remained in Britain since Wasn't it just the weekend before her debut though? It's not like she was on months beforehand - that was just the time the show needed a high profile appearance for her. Having her on just before the show came back is more important than getting her on mid-run -we needed (and got) people to tune in for Ep 1. I loved that Norton ep. Gosling knows Who a bit, casting Matt Smith after finding him on DW when channel surfing. And Lady Gaga and Jodie playing the WHo theme on the theremin was cool. Last year we had Capaldi with Warren Beatty too. Graham's show really does put Who on with the megastars.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 4:21:18 GMT
Fair enough. I am not the best arbiter of what is being publicised on the current run, but I do feel there is a lot of focus on the 'divisive' nature of the new series. All told, was it all necessary, to change the series so much, knowing it would alienate so many long term viewers of both genders?
I appreciate that many of you are positive and supportive about the new direction, but even with yourselves, there are rather a lot of caveats.
Amongst casual viewers, there is a lot of discontent, and whilst sitting on the fence as an observer, I do feel that there is scope for discussion regards how a lot of people are unhappy with the current series. Yes, not all the complainers are middle aged male fans. There is too much 'flaming' of those who dare to criticise and that puts me off further.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 4:40:07 GMT
Fair enough. I am not the best arbiter of what is being publicised on the current run, but I do feel there is a lot of focus on the 'divisive' nature of the new series. All told, was it all necessary, to change the series so much, knowing it would alienate so many long term viewers of both genders? I appreciate that many of you are positive and supportive about the new direction, but even with yourselves, there are rather a lot of caveats. Amongst casual viewers, there is a lot of discontent, and whilst sitting on the fence as an observer, I do feel that there is scope for discussion regards how a lot of people are unhappy with the current series. Yes, not all the complainers are middle aged male fans. There is too much 'flaming' of those who dare to criticise and that puts me off further. If there was such a backlash, though, why are the ratings better than they have been in years? Surely if enough people to be statistically relevant were unhappy they wouldn't be tuning in and we'd see a slump. Yeah, some really don't like it...but that's been true since what? 1981 when Tom left for some. Certainly since Colin's debut for others. And certainly a lot of fans didn't take to New WHo at all - but the show made a new audience. There's always people unhappy with what's current - and I'd say there's less of that now than there was with Capaldi even. You can't please all the people etc. I've posted that I'm not really on board with Chibnall's vision, and Jodie's character but I can't really argue with the way this series has absolutely been a hit with the casual audiences - I'd say more than the show has done since the 50th at least. I manage quite a lot of people aged 18-25ish and they're talking about Doctor Who a LOT more than they have in the past. The show seems in tune with what's relevant right now. People are engaging with it I think. I see a lot more "Watching: Doctor Who" facebook statuses than I have done in recent years. There's a lot more coverage in outlets like Digital Spy. As for flaming...I don't see that here outside of people like the recently banned member who baited and trolled people who dared to like the show. I don't doubt it's out there but I don't see it here. People tend to be pretty good at justifying their opinions here even when they're swimming against the tide.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 13:08:28 GMT
Fair enough. I am not the best arbiter of what is being publicised on the current run, but I do feel there is a lot of focus on the 'divisive' nature of the new series. All told, was it all necessary, to change the series so much, knowing it would alienate so many long term viewers of both genders? I appreciate that many of you are positive and supportive about the new direction, but even with yourselves, there are rather a lot of caveats. Amongst casual viewers, there is a lot of discontent, and whilst sitting on the fence as an observer, I do feel that there is scope for discussion regards how a lot of people are unhappy with the current series. Yes, not all the complainers are middle aged male fans. There is too much 'flaming' of those who dare to criticise and that puts me off further. If there was such a backlash, though, why are the ratings better than they have been in years? Surely if enough people to be statistically relevant were unhappy they wouldn't be tuning in and we'd see a slump. Yeah, some really don't like it...but that's been true since what? 1981 when Tom left for some. Certainly since Colin's debut for others. And certainly a lot of fans didn't take to New WHo at all - but the show made a new audience. There's always people unhappy with what's current - and I'd say there's less of that now than there was with Capaldi even. You can't please all the people etc. I've posted that I'm not really on board with Chibnall's vision, and Jodie's character but I can't really argue with the way this series has absolutely been a hit with the casual audiences - I'd say more than the show has done since the 50th at least. I manage quite a lot of people aged 18-25ish and they're talking about Doctor Who a LOT more than they have in the past. The show seems in tune with what's relevant right now. People are engaging with it I think. I see a lot more "Watching: Doctor Who" facebook statuses than I have done in recent years. There's a lot more coverage in outlets like Digital Spy. As for flaming...I don't see that here outside of people like the recently banned member who baited and trolled people who dared to like the show. I don't doubt it's out there but I don't see it here. People tend to be pretty good at justifying their opinions here even when they're swimming against the tide. In terms of flaming, I was thinking more of what goes on elsewhere, where people cannot agree to disagree. An unusually negative post from me, as I agree with you that the show is connecting with a new audience. I guess its a case of leave those who want to argue to get on with it on twitter. As you say, perhaps I am a bit set in the way I prefer the show to keep to how was when I grew up with it, whereas it needs to keep evolving.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 26, 2018 11:24:50 GMT
One of the annoyances about having a discussion like this this early is figuring out who could possibly replace Chris is almost impossible. The immediate thought (Gatiss) has already said no many times, and the other viable names are either busy (Whithouse, MacRae) or unlikely (Cotrell-Boyce, Cross, Harness).
Currently, the only people I'd consider, and I use the term as lightly as possible, even a remote possibility are Dollard (she and Chris want to work together, just timing didn't allow for S11. Plus, extensive experience covering multiple facets of development and production) and McTighe (Wentworth plus his existing involvement with the franchise's home media). Until Dollard writes for 13 and/or McTighe gets a second story, it's impossible to say what their eras could remotely look like. And again, that's even IF this discussion could be had, which it kinda can't.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 27, 2018 12:22:51 GMT
Bring in Robert Hewitt Wolfe
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 12:33:05 GMT
I won't get into the speculation game - the Beeb were prepared to wait nearly 2 years for Chibnall so there's little point wondering who would do it now when the landscape may be radically different in 2020 or 2021.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 7, 2018 11:46:31 GMT
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 7, 2018 12:19:02 GMT
The Mirror are still saying that there wont be a series in 2019 lol
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Post by sherlock on Dec 7, 2018 17:19:20 GMT
So on what seems to be Ed Hime’s CV Series 12 has been added as in development, suggesting he will be returning. The Series 12 entry is dated 2019, which would suggest the rumours of a delay are false. www.unitedagents.co.uk/ed-hime
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 7, 2018 18:21:29 GMT
So on what seems to be Ed Hime’s CV Series 12 has been added as in development, suggesting he will be returning. The Series 12 entry is dated 2019, which would suggest the rumours of a delay are false. www.unitedagents.co.uk/ed-himeAs for everyone else, their agencies don't have a CV feature, so up in the air. Blackman's may be the least likely to come back, after whatever struggles Rosa took to write plus the upcoming Noughts & Crosses TV series. McTighe may come back, since he is so involved with the franchise, and Wilkinson and Patel are up in the air. They may, certainly wouldn't hurt their CVs, but then again, they may prefer to do more personal projects.
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Post by barnabaslives on Dec 7, 2018 18:48:32 GMT
So on what seems to be Ed Hime’s CV Series 12 has been added as in development, suggesting he will be returning. The Series 12 entry is dated 2019, which would suggest the rumours of a delay are false. www.unitedagents.co.uk/ed-himeNice find! I totally hope you're right. I think the show has some amazing momentum that it doesn't want to risk losing any of, in addition to the fact that I just don't want to skip a year because I'm enjoying the show so much lately. :-)
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Post by fitzoliverj on Dec 7, 2018 19:23:33 GMT
Hmm... I wonder if the Beeb might consider showing, say, "Shada", to tide the audience over?
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