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Post by kurumais on Nov 21, 2018 9:14:42 GMT
i saw a couple of youtubers say that moffet made the doctor 4 billion years old. i know matt's doctor spent a long time on trenzalore. i vaguely remember the 12th doctor saying he was 2000 plus years old. did the doc get lost for 4 billion years?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 9:15:45 GMT
He is dead to meš
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 9:29:06 GMT
I've always found this to be a great little explanation (from the EDA Orbis): He was a thousand years old during the New Adventures, long before his Eleventh and Twelfth selves and Frozen Time had the Seventh Doctor spend a few million years beneath Antarctica's permafrost, so he's... a fair age? A polite number of years, shall we say. Whatever age makes him feel most comfortable and/or he remembers.
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 21, 2018 9:33:41 GMT
4 1/2 billion, because he was Hell Bent?
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Post by mark687 on Nov 21, 2018 10:13:40 GMT
i saw a couple of youtubers say that moffet made the doctor 4 billion years old. i know matt's doctor spent a long time on trenzalore. i vaguely remember the 12th doctor saying he was 2000 plus years old. did the doc get lost for 4 billion years? thanks Supposedly while stuck in the Confession Dial (so 4 Billion Years passed for the Doctor in Hell Bent)
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 21, 2018 10:52:33 GMT
Just assuming "Hell Bent" really happened (some of us would like to ignore it)- while he was stuck in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years, this was a time loop and he was "reborn" in there every time he died, without having any memories- so no, neither his body nor his mind are really 4.5 billion years old.
So yeah, in my mind he is just 2000+ years old.
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 21, 2018 13:02:09 GMT
Just assuming "Hell Bent" really happened (some of us would like to ignore it)- while he was stuck in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years, this was a time loop and he was "reborn" in there every time he died, without having any memories- so no, neither his body nor his mind are really 4.5 billion years old. So yeah, in my mind he is just 2000+ years old. I think you're right about his body, but I believe he remembers all 4.5 billion years. When he discovers the diamond wall (or some point very near there), I seem to recall some moment where he gets a flashback of everything he's done every other time he's been brought into the Confession Dial (some sort of "telepathic thing", no doubt). That would mean that he definitely remembers it. Also, the look he gives Clara when they tell her he spent that long trying to get out kind of suggests that he knows how long it took him, but he thought it was ultimately worth it for her (which he was wrong about, of course, but no one said the Doctor doesn't make mistakes ). But like you said, some of us ignore Hell Bent. I, for example, have no idea what we're talking about...
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 21, 2018 13:42:16 GMT
Just assuming "Hell Bent" really happened (some of us would like to ignore it)- while he was stuck in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years, this was a time loop and he was "reborn" in there every time he died, without having any memories- so no, neither his body nor his mind are really 4.5 billion years old. So yeah, in my mind he is just 2000+ years old. I think you're right about his body, but I believe he remembers all 4.5 billion years. When he discovers the diamond wall (or some point very near there), I seem to recall some moment where he gets a flashback of everything he's done every other time he's been brought into the Confession Dial (some sort of "telepathic thing", no doubt). That would mean that he definitely remembers it. Also, the look he gives Clara when they tell her he spent that long trying to get out kind of suggests that he knows how long it took him, but he thought it was ultimately worth it for her (which he was wrong about, of course, but no one said the Doctor doesn't make mistakes ). But like you said, some of us ignore Hell Bent. I, for example, have no idea what we're talking about... I thought it was montage of further loops after that rather than a flashback of earlier loops. Iām fairly sure in the āflashbackā the amount of time that he said must have passed due to the placment of the stars increased each time.
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Post by kinghumble on Nov 21, 2018 13:55:57 GMT
Yeah the intention of Heaven Sent was definitely that he picked up the echoes of psychic memories from his dead skulls, though he needed the diamond-wall to trigger the memories.
Whether that counts as aging or not is in the eyes of the beholder; I don't think it is. I mean it was a metaphor for the anguished cycle of grief a person goes through after a terrible loss; trying to pull data-points from metaphor is not going to lead you to success!
Personally, my interpretation of the Doctor's Classic vs NuWho age is that incidents during the Time War literally ripped centuries from his history - so he was over one thousand before the war, then Timey-Wimey-Bang-Bang, and he was barely 900 after.
I think it's safe to assume 13 will give her age at some point - there's too much mileage from the gag of the companions gaping at the revelation for Chibnall not to go for it eventually - so we'll get an update sooner or later.
I hope it remains 2000 for a while; 12's joke that young ladies shouldn't flirt with him because he's old enough to be their messiah was the hardest i've ever laughed at Doctor Who!
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 21, 2018 14:14:16 GMT
Yeah the intention of Heaven Sent was definitely that he picked up the echoes of psychic memories from his dead skulls, though he needed the diamond-wall to trigger the memories. Whether that counts as aging or not is in the eyes of the beholder; I don't think it is. I mean it was a metaphor for the anguished cycle of grief a person goes through after a terrible loss; trying to pull data-points from metaphor is not going to lead you to success! Personally, my interpretation of the Doctor's Classic vs NuWho age is that incidents during the Time War literally ripped centuries from his history - so he was over one thousand before the war, then Timey-Wimey-Bang-Bang, and he was barely 900 after. I think it's safe to assume 13 will give her age at some point - there's too much mileage from the gag of the companions gaping at the revelation for Chibnall not to go for it eventually - so we'll get an update sooner or later. I hope it remains 2000 for a while; 12's joke that young ladies shouldn't flirt with him because he's old enough to be their messiah was the hardest i've ever laughed at Doctor Who! Well Thirteen has given her age as 2000 a couple of times in the books. It probably makes sense to stick to a general ā2000ā for a while rather than getting bogged down in specific ageing. As for the Doctorās ageing overall, I just assume Eight stuck to counting from scratch following his regeneration after he claimed he was 3 or whatever in one of the books.
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Post by muckypup on Nov 21, 2018 14:14:18 GMT
This thing with years is stupid, he lives on different planets all having different year lengths, then how to you count the years spent in the tardis ......
Heās just old.......letās get over the year thing please......hehehe
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 21, 2018 14:54:26 GMT
This thing with years is stupid, he lives on different planets all having different year lengths, then how to you count the years spent in the tardis ...... Heās just old.......letās get over the year thing please......hehehe Yeah, this is something I have always wondered, also in several Big Finish releases- why is everything standardised to Earth? Every planet will have its own specific year and day and so on... so is the Doctor counting in Earth or Gallifreyan years and how long is a year on Gallifrey anyways?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 21, 2018 16:24:31 GMT
I'd say the Doctor is around 4500/5000 not counting the cycle in Heaven sent
but The Doctor now gives his age based off of when he regenerated into War entered the Time War, so the Doctor was about 900 when it ended
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Post by glutamodo on Nov 21, 2018 16:37:15 GMT
Oh, yeah, that whole time loop thing. Hell, how many times off-screen did Doc and Romana loop back in that Chronic Hysteresis? Does that count?
Now I totally count HS, but as a repeating loop, I consider it like, a gazillion, parallel time tracks, not consecutive. So they don't really add up the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 17:22:46 GMT
Honestly the Doctorās age fluctuates so wildly that thereās hardly a point paying attention. I mean he was apparently crashing the TARDIS for quite the length of time between The End of Time and The Eleventh Hour because heās apparently gone from 906 to 907 between the two stories. See? Why bother?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 18:38:20 GMT
Personally I don't see the events of Heaven Sent as legitimately counting towards the Doctor's age, as others have stated, he is trapped in a loop, like Groundhog Day. Perhaps he just got stuck in the first level of the game and never found his way to the next stage, never mind the hidden tools to unlock the 'confession dial' Or something.
Anyhow, whatever general age he may be through his lives, (400, 750, 900, 2000) Big Finish seems gifted with lots of off-screen gaps to fill. I always thought the Fifth Doctor's incarnation must have been over in a blip mind, given that he had just returned Tegan, who came aboard prior to the Fourth Doctor's regeneration, picked up a another gobby replacement in Peri, then his time was up.
In short, I never found it plausible that hundreds of years supposedly pass over the course of a couple of incarnations, when there is no on-screen gap between travelling companions, who are never suggested to have traveled for more than a few years at most. Does he pop them into a stasis booth now and again so he can have a bit of 'me time' adventures?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 21, 2018 19:01:12 GMT
Sometimes I feel Iām alone in completely suspending my disbelief and never thinking about the Doctorās age, or timelines, or why Cybermen are allergic to whatever substance. I guess I just enjoy the show for other reasons than a lot of people. Anyone else in the same boat? Me too. I just think of the Doctor as a being that have lived a very long time and go from there but then I'm not one to get tied into continuity either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 19:46:26 GMT
Sometimes I feel Iām alone in completely suspending my disbelief and never thinking about the Doctorās age, or timelines, or why Cybermen are allergic to whatever substance. I guess I just enjoy the show for other reasons than a lot of people. Anyone else in the same boat? No, I'm exactly the same. Anyone trying to reconcile every bit of canon has to go to such lengths will go mad trying. I care about the timelines and how to fit it all into one continual story even less though I appreciate there's people on the forum who take such things seriously and more power to them. I'm "story first" and not too fussed about continuity or canon. The show itself ignores anything that doesn't fit, and always has done - the age of The Doctor being just one example. Inconsistencies are one of the only consistent aspects. What did Moffat write for Matt in the 50th? "I'm so old I don't remember if I'm lying about my age" - that's good enough for me! I like reading some of the fan-theories, timelines and insights (some crackers from Tat Wood in the About Time books) but they never really add to my enjoyment or fandom. To answer the question though, he was "rebooted" each time so no, he's not that old. He'd have a couple more greys if so.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 21, 2018 19:47:21 GMT
Sometimes I feel Iām alone in completely suspending my disbelief and never thinking about the Doctorās age, or timelines, or why Cybermen are allergic to whatever substance. I guess I just enjoy the show for other reasons than a lot of people. Anyone else in the same boat? Me for the most part, although I actually enjoy reading peoples theories on how, when, where, why things are, but for myself, I pretty much accept that things are the way they are.
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Post by kinghumble on Nov 22, 2018 0:20:36 GMT
Sometimes I feel Iām alone in completely suspending my disbelief and never thinking about the Doctorās age, or timelines, or why Cybermen are allergic to whatever substance. What kind of a sick bastard are you?
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