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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 3:53:58 GMT
Reading the scripts of the unmade versions of Indy 4, I feel they picked the wrong direction. While KOTCS had some good elements (John Hurt being awesome as always, How Ford plays his reaction to finding out he's a dad), it doesn't make a great whole. Especially after what a great ending Last Crusade was I wonder... The film potrays the Americans and the Russians as not so different with the FBI debriefing at the beginning. What if the Skulls themselves were just hoaxes as they were in real life and the story was about Indiana being pushed by the sheer conviction of his own side and that of the opposition into claiming fake after fake, until they reach the temple? There would've been a precedent for it and it would've made a nice parallel -- Spalko and Indy are both Colonels. I can even see the reason why Jones is pressed into service is because of the McCarthy Un-American board lookinig into his previous "consorting" with the Nazis. The whole hunt looks to be just a pointless arms race until we get to the temple and discover that the real skulls never left the building, the replicas were just an unintentional treasure map. Hell, now that I'm on a roll, I can say that the dropping of the atomic bombs pushed science fiction into respectability in the American consciousness. You could add a line like that early on to foreshadow the different tone of the film. Tie it more heavily into the Sputnik launch in the same year as well -- the aliens could be where mankind is going from Indy's perspective.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 29, 2018 8:01:45 GMT
Blasphemy, I know, but I actually liked it better than Temple of Doom. Nowhere near as good as Raiders or Last Crusade, of course, but those are masterpieces. My biggest problem was Shia LaBeuof. Lucas wanted a daughter for Indy instead and I feel that would have played better. I could be mis-remembering but I think on the Redlettermedia vid I linked to above Spielberg said he wanted the daughter and it was George who fought for Mutt. It's possible I'm also misremembering, but I'm not inclined to trust RedLetterMedia when it comes to George Lucas. And Lucas went back to the female next-gen character for both Clone Wars (with Ahsoka) and his early outlines for the Star Wars sequels, while Spielberg launched Shia LaBeuof's career. To Google! Hmm. The only source is a note on this wiki page, cited to a making of book, which puts the daughter as an idea of Frank Darabont and says Spielberg rejected it for being too similar to The Lost World. No mention of where Lucas came down in the debate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 8:17:59 GMT
I could be mis-remembering but I think on the Redlettermedia vid I linked to above Spielberg said he wanted the daughter and it was George who fought for Mutt. It's possible I'm also misremembering, but I'm not inclined to trust RedLetterMedia when it comes to George Lucas. And Lucas went back to the female next-gen character for both Clone Wars (with Ahsoka) and his early outlines for the Star Wars sequels, while Spielberg launched Shia LaBeuof's career. To Google! Hmm. The only source is a note on this wiki page, cited to a making of book, which puts the daughter as an idea of Frank Darabont and says Spielberg rejected it for being too similar to The Lost World. No mention of where Lucas came down in the debate. Huh, so Jones has two children pseudo-canonically. I've only caught glimpses of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, so I have only vague memories of an appearance by Colin Baker alongside T.E. Lawrence and Jon Pertwee as a German general. That could've made for an interesting film too, Indy's children being a brother-sister team working with ther mother on her latest project. You could even do a little Power of the Daleks thing in there where one sibling is able to accept him as their father and the other isn't.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 29, 2018 12:36:45 GMT
Reading the scripts of the unmade versions of Indy 4, I feel they picked the wrong direction. While KOTCS had some good elements (John Hurt being awesome as always, How Ford plays his reaction to finding out he's a dad), it doesn't make a great whole. Especially after what a great ending Last Crusade was I wonder... The film potrays the Americans and the Russians as not so different with the FBI debriefing at the beginning. What if the Skulls themselves were just hoaxes as they were in real life and the story was about Indiana being pushed by the sheer conviction of his own side and that of the opposition into claiming fake after fake, until they reach the temple? There would've been a precedent for it and it would've made a nice parallel -- Spalko and Indy are both Colonels. I can even see the reason why Jones is pressed into service is because of the McCarthy Un-American board lookinig into his previous "consorting" with the Nazis. The whole hunt looks to be just a pointless arms race until we get to the temple and discover that the real skulls never left the building, the replicas were just an unintentional treasure map. Hell, now that I'm on a roll, I can say that the dropping of the atomic bombs pushed science fiction into respectability in the American consciousness. You could add a line like that early on to foreshadow the different tone of the film. Tie it more heavily into the Sputnik launch in the same year as well -- the aliens could be where mankind is going from Indy's perspective. Now i really like that
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 12:42:08 GMT
I wonder... The film potrays the Americans and the Russians as not so different with the FBI debriefing at the beginning. What if the Skulls themselves were just hoaxes as they were in real life and the story was about Indiana being pushed by the sheer conviction of his own side and that of the opposition into claiming fake after fake, until they reach the temple? There would've been a precedent for it and it would've made a nice parallel -- Spalko and Indy are both Colonels. I can even see the reason why Jones is pressed into service is because of the McCarthy Un-American board lookinig into his previous "consorting" with the Nazis. The whole hunt looks to be just a pointless arms race until we get to the temple and discover that the real skulls never left the building, the replicas were just an unintentional treasure map. Hell, now that I'm on a roll, I can say that the dropping of the atomic bombs pushed science fiction into respectability in the American consciousness. You could add a line like that early on to foreshadow the different tone of the film. Tie it more heavily into the Sputnik launch in the same year as well -- the aliens could be where mankind is going from Indy's perspective. Now i really like that Cheers! I've stuck it in the vault of TBC ideas. Who knows, with a bit of tweaking, the ideas may see the light of day in one form or another sometime in the future. ^_^
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 29, 2018 13:36:12 GMT
The spaces inbetween spaces....i feel a headache coming on, i remember being at the cinema thinking "huh?"
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