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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 11:26:40 GMT
On a pure technicality... I wouldn’t go so far as to say Dreyfus is ‘officially’ the first Master. I think Nick has specified it as being deliberately open in the stories in an old Vortex, and there’s nothing in the scripts that suggests this. Obviously as Script Editor on those stories you know the intentions within the stories and what's in the scripts, but James Dreyfus was marketed as being the First Master by Big Finish in a news item at the time ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 30, 2018 11:33:29 GMT
Didn't they say a the time Dreyfus had recorded 2 things as the Master? Wonder when we'll hear about the second and what it is
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Post by mark687 on Nov 30, 2018 11:42:15 GMT
Didn't they say a the time Dreyfus had recorded 2 things as the Master? Wonder when we'll hear about the second and what it is Yes he recorded something with Tom Baker nearly 3 years ago according to his Twitter and there's still no mention of it anywhere else (not even sure if it was as the Master)
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2018 11:59:07 GMT
On a pure technicality... I wouldn’t go so far as to say Dreyfus is ‘officially’ the first Master. I think Nick has specified it as being deliberately open in the stories in an old Vortex, and there’s nothing in the scripts that suggests this. Obviously as Script Editor on those stories you know the intentions within the stories and what's in the scripts, but James Dreyfus was marketed as being the First Master by Big Finish in a news item at the time ...
And just last weekend on the 'Fantastic Foes' offers news story: "You could also discover the origins of the Master in The First Doctor Adventures Volume One, which sees James Dreyfus playing the first incarnation of the Master."
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Post by dorney on Nov 30, 2018 16:18:12 GMT
Obviously as Script Editor on those stories you know the intentions within the stories and what's in the scripts, but James Dreyfus was marketed as being the First Master by Big Finish in a news item at the time ...
And just last weekend on the 'Fantastic Foes' offers news story: "You could also discover the origins of the Master in The First Doctor Adventures Volume One, which sees James Dreyfus playing the first incarnation of the Master."
so someone at BF thinks so! Oh, I’m not denying that it was mentioned in the marketing. But as far as I’m aware, that’s the only place it’s mentioned. There’s certainly nothing been made of it in any of the scripts. (If anything, it’s contradicted). |
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Post by mark687 on Nov 30, 2018 16:24:36 GMT
And just last weekend on the 'Fantastic Foes' offers news story: "You could also discover the origins of the Master in The First Doctor Adventures Volume One, which sees James Dreyfus playing the first incarnation of the Master."
so someone at BF thinks so! Oh, I’m not denying that it was mentioned in the marketing. But as far as I’m aware, that’s the only place it’s mentioned. There’s certainly nothing been made of it in any of the scripts. (If anything, it’s contradicted). You forgot to add
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 18:06:46 GMT
Here are the names that appear on my timeline: First Master (Dreyfus) UNIT Master (Delgado) Decayed Master (Pratt/Beevers) Tremas Master (Ainley) Tzun Master (The VNAs) Unknown Master (Tipple) Deathworm Master (Roberts/Beevers in Mastermind) Resurrected Master (Macqueen)* War Child Master (Titan Comics) Yana Master (Jacobi) Harold Saxon Master (Simm) Missy (Gomez) EDIT: I originally had "Harcourt De'ath" but then checked and it's definitely "Resurrected". Also added Tipple. I tend to refer to them in layman's terms: The Original Master/1970's Master/Roger Delgado The Cadaverous One The Second Master/1980's Master/Anthony Ainley Julia Roberts Brother That's Derek Jacobi playing the Master there Him off Life on Mars/The Lakes The Female Master One of the Audio Masters Simple categorisation. |
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 30, 2018 19:09:44 GMT
The following incarnations don't really have names: - Delgado - Tipple? - Roberts -MacQueen - Simm Those must be names, those are the ones I actually use since I'm not sure of their numbers and they'd probably just confuse me anyway :-) It seems terribly handy to me to just refer to the various Masters by the performers' names. Missy excepted - I'd gotten into the habit of calling her that but that started when I thought of her less as the Master for my having trouble with some of the characterization, I think I was calling her Not The Master on the side at that point. That situation having much improved, I'd actually be as happy to call her "the Gomez Master." |
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Post by xlozdob on Nov 30, 2018 20:11:07 GMT
All this talk about Masters, why has no-one even mentioned the Kisgart Master?  PS: After having finally listened to Sympathy for the Devil the other day, I am now convinced when Delgado regenerates in the main universe (Doorway to Hell or otherwise) he becomes Kisgart, who then regenerates into an unburnt Beevers. Think about it: in the Unbound Universe, everything happens exactly the same for the Master (Delgado in the 70s) except for the Doctor's involvement, so one of his plans ends up going horribly wrong, he dies (say, for example, that Azal kills him) and regenerates. Makes sense. In my head at least XD. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 20:59:36 GMT
All this talk about Masters, why has no-one even mentioned the Kisgart Master? PS: After having finally listened to Sympathy for the Devil the other day, I am now convinced when Delgado regenerates in the main universe (Doorway to Hell or otherwise) he becomes Kisgart, who then regenerates into an unburnt Beevers. Think about it: in the Unbound Universe, everything happens exactly the same for the Master (Delgado in the 70s) except for the Doctor's involvement, so one of his plans ends up going horribly wrong, he dies (say, for example, that Azal kills him) and regenerates. Makes sense. In my head at least XD. Yes, but is he Canon? That would mean that Arabella Weir was the first female Doctor wouldn't it? |
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Post by constonks on Nov 30, 2018 21:14:21 GMT
All this talk about Masters, why has no-one even mentioned the Kisgart Master? PS: After having finally listened to Sympathy for the Devil the other day, I am now convinced when Delgado regenerates in the main universe (Doorway to Hell or otherwise) he becomes Kisgart, who then regenerates into an unburnt Beevers. Think about it: in the Unbound Universe, everything happens exactly the same for the Master (Delgado in the 70s) except for the Doctor's involvement, so one of his plans ends up going horribly wrong, he dies (say, for example, that Azal kills him) and regenerates. Makes sense. In my head at least XD. That's what I think, too, although in the prime universe, they might get Mark Gatiss to play the character - he'd be great at it, I think. |
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2018 21:15:56 GMT
And just last weekend on the 'Fantastic Foes' offers news story: "You could also discover the origins of the Master in The First Doctor Adventures Volume One, which sees James Dreyfus playing the first incarnation of the Master."
so someone at BF thinks so! Oh, I’m not denying that it was mentioned in the marketing. But as far as I’m aware, that’s the only place it’s mentioned. There’s certainly nothing been made of it in any of the scripts. (If anything, it’s contradicted). Fair enough - the scripts define canon, the news stories just report it (and may not always be 100% then, apparently ) |
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Post by xlozdob on Dec 1, 2018 0:24:42 GMT
All this talk about Masters, why has no-one even mentioned the Kisgart Master? PS: After having finally listened to Sympathy for the Devil the other day, I am now convinced when Delgado regenerates in the main universe (Doorway to Hell or otherwise) he becomes Kisgart, who then regenerates into an unburnt Beevers. Think about it: in the Unbound Universe, everything happens exactly the same for the Master (Delgado in the 70s) except for the Doctor's involvement, so one of his plans ends up going horribly wrong, he dies (say, for example, that Azal kills him) and regenerates. Makes sense. In my head at least XD. Yes, but is he Canon? That would mean that Arabella Weir was the first female Doctor wouldn't it? Atm, no, there are no stories with a Main Universe version of the Kisgart Master, I'm just saying it's a possibility and a route I would love them to explore (and it's also my headcanon, fwiw). Regarding Weir's Doctor, from a nonfiction pov, no, that would be Joana Lumley. From an in-(main)-universe pov, it's also no, that's the incarnation portrayed by Jodie Whittaker. The Unbound range explores alternative takes on the Doctor Who universe, particularly those affecting the Doctor's lives, but they don't have to affect all the characters equally. Since everything up to that point in SftD happened as it did in the prime universe, it's not that much of a stretch to think that, even if the Third Doctor as we know him wasn't there, an alternate Delgado Master was, and that the different turn of events resulted in his regeneration into the incarnation we know from that universe. And, if we accept this, then the possibility that the Delgado Master from the prime universe in the moment of his death could've regenerated into an alternate version of the Kisgart Master we know. Idk, man, it's just fun thinking about these things. Or as Nick would put it "Just imagine...". |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 1, 2018 1:02:39 GMT
The Gentleman,
Zombeevers,
The Velvet Penguin,
Zombeevers The Second,
Mister Fabulous
Ohh Hello You,
Cadfael,
Harold Saxon,
Missy,
Graham.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 10:14:43 GMT
Yes, but is he Canon? That would mean that Arabella Weir was the first female Doctor wouldn't it? Atm, no, there are no stories with a Main Universe version of the Kisgart Master, I'm just saying it's a possibility and a route I would love them to explore (and it's also my headcanon, fwiw). Regarding Weir's Doctor, from a nonfiction pov, no, that would be Joana Lumley. From an in-(main)-universe pov, it's also no, that's the incarnation portrayed by Jodie Whittaker. The Unbound range explores alternative takes on the Doctor Who universe, particularly those affecting the Doctor's lives, but they don't have to affect all the characters equally. Since everything up to that point in SftD happened as it did in the prime universe, it's not that much of a stretch to think that, even if the Third Doctor as we know him wasn't there, an alternate Delgado Master was, and that the different turn of events resulted in his regeneration into the incarnation we know from that universe. And, if we accept this, then the possibility that the Delgado Master from the prime universe in the moment of his death could've regenerated into an alternate version of the Kisgart Master we know. Idk, man, it's just fun thinking about these things. Or as Nick would put it "Just imagine...". Just a wind up... I do agree with your points. The War Chief now.... was he a pre-Delgado Master as many posit? |
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Post by xlozdob on Dec 1, 2018 10:26:48 GMT
Atm, no, there are no stories with a Main Universe version of the Kisgart Master, I'm just saying it's a possibility and a route I would love them to explore (and it's also my headcanon, fwiw). Regarding Weir's Doctor, from a nonfiction pov, no, that would be Joana Lumley. From an in-(main)-universe pov, it's also no, that's the incarnation portrayed by Jodie Whittaker. The Unbound range explores alternative takes on the Doctor Who universe, particularly those affecting the Doctor's lives, but they don't have to affect all the characters equally. Since everything up to that point in SftD happened as it did in the prime universe, it's not that much of a stretch to think that, even if the Third Doctor as we know him wasn't there, an alternate Delgado Master was, and that the different turn of events resulted in his regeneration into the incarnation we know from that universe. And, if we accept this, then the possibility that the Delgado Master from the prime universe in the moment of his death could've regenerated into an alternate version of the Kisgart Master we know. Idk, man, it's just fun thinking about these things. Or as Nick would put it "Just imagine...". Just a wind up... I do agree with your points. The War Chief now.... was he a pre-Delgado Master as many posit? Ah, now you're asking the real questions!  |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Dec 1, 2018 15:31:25 GMT
Just a wind up... I do agree with your points. The War Chief now.... was he a pre-Delgado Master as many posit? Ah, now you're asking the real questions! ARRGH! MAGNUS ALERT! MAGNUS ALERT! ALL OLD HANDS TO THE BRIDGE! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 15:57:12 GMT
Its a little known fact (i.e made up) that Uncle Terrence referred to a cut piece of dialogue in the Five Doctors from his script of the Second Doctors first encounter with the War Chief.
"Your appearance may have changed, but I recognise you from our home planet. Believe it or not, we were in the Academy together".
Same villain or not, perhaps dark Goatees were just de-rigueur at the Academy and the Doctor stood out as a clean cut sort even then.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 1, 2018 22:26:04 GMT
Its a little known fact (i.e made up) that Uncle Terrence referred to a cut piece of dialogue in the Five Doctors from his script of the Second Doctors first encounter with the War Chief. "Your appearance may have changed, but I recognise you from our home planet. Believe it or not, we were in the Academy together". Same villain or not, perhaps dark Goatees were just de-rigueur at the Academy and the Doctor stood out as a clean cut sort even then. Well yes, she would have looked silly with a beard |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 5:48:26 GMT
There was also the Professor Stream-In The Hollows of Time played by David Garfield
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