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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 0:23:03 GMT
Enjoyed the first episode but after that. Oh dear, what a boring story with boring characters walking around a boring planet. Took me about 3 attempts to get through it all & it gets silly at the end with rushed plot twists coming out of nowhere. I will never listen to this again.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 27, 2019 0:38:10 GMT
The Doctor’s injury was utterly unnecessary. If you wanted to write him out for a while - healing coma or just make them lose communication with Tegan. They already had a reason to go to the source of the magic healing water, the fact the hippo commander was poisoned and dying.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 27, 2019 9:48:22 GMT
I thought this was a good story and that John Culshaw did a superb job, it's just that this story doesn't really advance my liking for Kamelion any - I started the story not trusting him and it was even worse by the end of it. Hard to like or trust him more when he's mostly busy being one of the bad guys, I guess?
We'll see what the next two installments do about that, though - I'm really hoping that character development is one of the reasons for bringing him back. It would surprise me if the way he's written here is going to continue throughout the entire arc.
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Post by nottenst on Feb 6, 2019 16:33:17 GMT
Definite mixed feelings on this one. I was quite surprised with Nustanu basically not being the force behind what was going on, but it being the planet's guardian itself plus Kamelion having a strange feedback loop with Tegan's mistrust. I would have preferred it if Orna had not gotten all greedy at the end.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 7, 2019 17:06:07 GMT
Extended Extra DL is in Accounts (Good catch dangerwillrobinson)
Regards
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Post by dangerwillrobinson on Feb 8, 2019 0:32:02 GMT
Extended Extra DL is in Accounts (Good catch dangerwillrobinson) Regards mark687 Haha, thank you! Credits all yours on this post though!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 8, 2019 5:53:40 GMT
I love the implication that the strongest personality other than the Master’s was Tegan’s and not the Doctor’s. I disliked the whole “broken spine” storyline, we know that he’ll be fine, so it was a meaningless event, if they wanted him out of the story - head injury and healing coma. They already had a reason to go to the source of the healing water, the hippo woman was poisoned and dying, not to mention the Dcotor’s curiosity.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 8, 2019 5:54:28 GMT
AND this kids, is why you always read the thread.
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Post by mrperson on Mar 5, 2019 20:24:48 GMT
I actually liked this one quite a bit. 4/5-4.4/5 The injury: sure, the criticism are true, but isn't that kind of thing _always_ true? None of the TV companions can die because BF is necessarily constrained, and neither can the Doctor. So too he must end up healing. But I don't know how one can enjoy most of BF stories if that kind of thing drags a story down. The alternative is nothing particularly bad ever happens to any of them in a BF story and it's only red shirts who catch flak. That wouldn't be fun.
As always, the difference in opinions is interesting.
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Post by theotherjosh on Apr 2, 2019 15:18:46 GMT
I'm severely backlogged and finally got around to listenign to this one on April Fool's Day. I really liked this story. Fun, funny, fast-paced. Crackling writing. Great characterization. Turlogh in particular is a very difficult character to get right. Even the very best writers occasionally veer into a Cowardly Lion caricature, but he’s solid and engaging and Strickson brings a powerful performance to ground the role. Janet and Peter are excellent, as always, as is the guest cast, and Culshaw is outstanding as Kamelion.
Kamelion isn’t supposed to be fun! He’s not supposed to be entertaining! He’s certainly not supposed to be this good! He’s supposed to be the part of the show’s history that we point at and snicker and say, “Thank goodness we don’t have rubbish designs like Kamelion and the Myrka these days. Now, it’s time for another viewing of Love & Monsters.”
I don’t understand how I could enjoy a story with Kamelion so much! Nothing makes sense anymore!
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Post by Ela on May 7, 2019 23:41:46 GMT
The villain was interesting and the twist of what was really going on at the end made it even more interesting for me.
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Post by lidar2 on May 31, 2019 13:20:45 GMT
Have listened to 3 episodes so far and enjoyed it. Have avoided any spoliers for part 4, will be listening to that as I drive home this afternoon. Roll on 5 o'clock!
Reminded me very strongly of MR165 The Burning Price - 5th Dr story, spaceship crashing on planet, dangerous animals, disaster movie vibe, etc, etc.
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Post by slithe on Jun 1, 2019 10:40:00 GMT
Have listened to 3 episodes so far and enjoyed it. Have avoided any spoliers for part 4, will be listening to that as I drive home this afternoon. Roll on 5 o'clock! Reminded me very strongly of MR165 The Burning Price - 5th Dr story, spaceship crashing on planet, dangerous animals, disaster movie vibe, etc, etc. Did you finish the story? I thought Part 4 was the weakest if I'm honest and, rather disappointing. So much is made of the villain/baddie in the first episode that the resolution of who the 'Devil' is becomes rather flat and underwhelming. On reflection, there are too many ideas in this story that don't get time to develop. The first episode on the spaceship is an entirely different story from the last three in the jungle/river. The hippos also become less interesting as well, which is a shame. Chuck Kamelion into the mix and the whole thing becomes a bit of a mess. Better editing and more time to breathe would have helped. Not entirely awful/unredeemable, but certainly the weakest Davison trilogy opener since Mistfall.
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 1, 2019 11:41:48 GMT
Have listened to 3 episodes so far and enjoyed it. Have avoided any spoliers for part 4, will be listening to that as I drive home this afternoon. Roll on 5 o'clock! Reminded me very strongly of MR165 The Burning Price - 5th Dr story, spaceship crashing on planet, dangerous animals, disaster movie vibe, etc, etc. Did you finish the story? I thought Part 4 was the weakest if I'm honest and, rather disappointing. So much is made of the villain/baddie in the first episode that the resolution of who the 'Devil' is becomes rather flat and underwhelming. On reflection, there are too many ideas in this story that don't get time to develop. The first episode on the spaceship is an entirely different story from the last three in the jungle/river. The hippos also become less interesting as well, which is a shame. Chuck Kamelion into the mix and the whole thing becomes a bit of a mess. Better editing and more time to breathe would have helped. Not entirely awful/unredeemable, but certainly the weakest Davison trilogy opener since Mistfall. I did enjoy it and i enjoyed part 4. I can see where you are coming from in your criticisms. The misdirection is what I enjoyed and what it did very well, but the downside is that it is not as enjoyable on a 2nd or 3rd listen once the twists are known, but that doesn't take away from the enjoyment 1st time around - especially because the misdirection is so well done. I think there was easily enough in there for a 6 parter and it might have been better as a 6 parter. But still 8/10 from me.
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Post by slithe on Jun 2, 2019 8:52:43 GMT
I did enjoy it and i enjoyed part 4. I can see where you are coming from in your criticisms. The misdirection is what I enjoyed and what it did very well, but the downside is that it is not as enjoyable on a 2nd or 3rd listen once the twists are known, but that doesn't take away from the enjoyment 1st time around - especially because the misdirection is so well done. I think there was easily enough in there for a 6 parter and it might have been better as a 6 parter. But still 8/10 from me. I think another couple of episodes would have been better - it would have ended up allowing the story to develop. Will give it a listen again and see what happens. I think a 45 minute episode length might have been better here (as Davison's era would have gone towards had he stayed for Season 22). I am surprised BF haven't tried this in more releases with his stories.
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Post by slithe on Aug 17, 2019 9:59:17 GMT
With some time to spare, I gave this another go.
On balance, it is not a terrible story and I acknowledge that my initial review was sharper than it needed to have been. There is some genuinely good storytelling here - the episodes on the planet itself are quite well developed and the characters are well fleshed out.
However, there still appears to be 'two' stories - the Zamglitti prisoner and the intriguing planet. Although they do, eventually, segue into each other - the two parts of the plot do not fuse together well enough for me. Having set up the danger in the first episode with the Zamglitti, this is lost to a trek through swamps and mountains. Whilst it is not clear if the Zamglitti is manipulating the flora and fauna of the world, the reveal in Episode 4 that 'he died in the crash' is a very weak Deus Ex Machina. Surely, the Doctor and Turlough would have told everybody this and stopped the worry (and paranoia)?
With some redrafting it might have been a stronger story, but it is still weaker than other Davison releases thus far. I get why BF wanted to try to use Kamelion, but I am not sure if this was a successful as those hoped.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 22, 2020 19:48:38 GMT
Got this on the recent sale. I rather liked it. It has a nice pace and is an over the top action adventure complete with Alien Hippos carrying big guns and thunder hammers (at least that is what we call them in Warhammer). I also get the comic book vibe, and in my mind's eye, this is a lot more colourful and alien that what they could ever do on TV. As for Kamelion, this was my first contact with him and I am just not convinced. Yes, the twist was nice, but the character leaves me cold. Also Tegan's bickering with him did not really enhance anything. I am happy I got this, because it was fun, however, I am not really motivated to get the rest of the trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:13:07 GMT
I think like Cry Of The Vultriss this took me by surprise how much I loved it.The Tardis team including Kamelion really worked for me,it’s a simple tale but much like Tomb Ship goes at a cracking pace with plenty of twists and turns and even simple things like Tegan missing her purse a common occurrence in my extended household .J0n Culshaw did and excellent job with the character I mean I kind of got sick of animals in space cats,rhinos and hippos I just thought nah just not for me but hey...what can I say it will definitely get relistened to and another case of me reading something and being influenced by it...🤭
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Post by number13 on Feb 3, 2021 12:57:40 GMT
I think like Cry Of The Vultriss this took me by surprise how much I loved it.The Tardis team including Kamelion really worked for me,it’s a simple tale but much like Tomb Ship goes at a cracking pace with plenty of twists and turns and even simple things like Tegan missing her purse a common occurrence in my extended household .J0n Culshaw did and excellent job with the character I mean I kind of got sick of animals in space cats,rhinos and hippos I just thought nah just not for me but hey...what can I say it will definitely get relistened to and another case of me reading something and being influenced by it...🤭 I'm not sure why this one often seems to underwhelm? I also thought it was an exciting all-action larger-than-life story and I enjoyed it. And with space hippos!
'Cry of the Vultriss' was a favourite from last year for me too - with space vultures! Two classic-style alien world & culture adventure/mystery stories, done with the usual BF panache.
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Post by grinch on Feb 3, 2021 13:05:20 GMT
I think like Cry Of The Vultriss this took me by surprise how much I loved it.The Tardis team including Kamelion really worked for me,it’s a simple tale but much like Tomb Ship goes at a cracking pace with plenty of twists and turns and even simple things like Tegan missing her purse a common occurrence in my extended household .J0n Culshaw did and excellent job with the character I mean I kind of got sick of animals in space cats,rhinos and hippos I just thought nah just not for me but hey...what can I say it will definitely get relistened to and another case of me reading something and being influenced by it...🤭 I'm not sure why this one often seems to underwhelm? I also thought it was an exciting all-action larger-than-life story and I enjoyed it. And with space hippos!
'Cry of the Vultriss' was a favourite from last year for me too - with space vultures! Two classic-style alien world & culture adventure/mystery stories, done with the usual BF panache.
Likewise I thought it was a fun little romp. I don’t mind the twist at the end but I personally wouldn’t have minded seeing more of Nustanu or at least a future story focusing on the Zamglitti Empire. Probably a story there about several of their warlords being brought to trial. Wouldn’t even have to have the Doctor make an appearance. Someone such as Vienna or River Song would work just as well.
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