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Post by mark687 on Jan 31, 2019 0:15:54 GMT
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 31, 2019 2:07:37 GMT
I really enjoyed that.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 31, 2019 11:05:38 GMT
Perfect like-minded Companion Team up.
Very good Indeed
Regards
mark687
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Post by pillicock on Jan 31, 2019 18:09:26 GMT
I wasn't that fussed with it. It seemed to solely exist so that the Brigadier and Leela could meet and when they did nothing terribly interesting happened.
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Post by Digi on Jan 31, 2019 19:57:22 GMT
So I'm thinking we slot this in right after Robots of Death? Leela observes that she hasn't been outside in a while, specifically citing the Tesh (Face of Evil) and then "the sandminer [Robots of Death] and now this."
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Post by sherlock on Feb 1, 2019 1:13:44 GMT
Quite enjoyed that. Leela and the Brigadier work well as a combination. A very good start to this year’s series.
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Post by aemiliapaula on Feb 1, 2019 2:37:59 GMT
It was cool to meet Leela's ancestor and hear more about her family. I was hoping maybe the Brigadier would meet the Captain from Twice Upon a Time.
I wonder whom the Doctor met?.....
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Post by Max Kashevsky on Feb 1, 2019 8:45:24 GMT
It was cool to meet Leela's ancestor and hear more about her family. I was hoping maybe the Brigadier would meet the Captain from Twice Upon a Time. I wonder whom the Doctor met?..... IIRC the writer, who oversees the rights to the Brigadier, didn't like the Captain since he wasn't consulted by Moffat and it messes up some of the canon he's recently made.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 1, 2019 11:10:40 GMT
It was cool to meet Leela's ancestor and hear more about her family. I was hoping maybe the Brigadier would meet the Captain from Twice Upon a Time. I wonder whom the Doctor met?..... Wasn’t it the Third Doctor? And that’s why the Doctor couldn’t remember his time with UNIT and claimed that the First Doctor was two Regenerations ago.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 1, 2019 18:44:58 GMT
It was cool to meet Leela's ancestor and hear more about her family. I was hoping maybe the Brigadier would meet the Captain from Twice Upon a Time. I wonder whom the Doctor met?..... IIRC the writer, who oversees the rights to the Brigadier, didn't like the Captain since he wasn't consulted by Moffat and it messes up some of the canon he's recently made. Don't get me wrong, I liked the Brigadier books when they started out, but Candy Jar have gotten very... proprietorial? If that's the right word? They're a bit sticks in the mud about controlling anything related to the character now, and anything relating to the Brig's continuity, which they already sort of handwaved out the window as an excuse to keep writing him into whatever sci-fi adventures they wanted while using a "timey wimey wibbly wobly" excuse for anything that doesn't fit with what's been on television or in other sources. A bit hypocritical of them, IMO.
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Post by Who Review on Feb 1, 2019 22:45:06 GMT
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Post by masterdoctor on Feb 1, 2019 22:58:12 GMT
IIRC the writer, who oversees the rights to the Brigadier, didn't like the Captain since he wasn't consulted by Moffat and it messes up some of the canon he's recently made. Don't get me wrong, I liked the Brigadier books when they started out, but Candy Jar have gotten very... proprietorial? If that's the right word? They're a bit sticks in the mud about controlling anything related to the character now, and anything relating to the Brig's continuity, which they already sort of handwaved out the window as an excuse to keep writing him into whatever sci-fi adventures they wanted while using a "timey wimey wibbly wobly" excuse for anything that doesn't fit with what's been on television or in other sources. A bit hypocritical of them, IMO. Yeah, I have to agree with you on this. In fact I largely am avoiding this release for that reason. The trend that the Candy Jar team have employed of rewriting and dismissing things that the tv has done and then be mad that the tv show doesn’t consult them on their stories... rubs me the wrong way. Also I’ve never truly understood if Andy Frankham-Allen has any kind of legal right over The Brig or The Great Inttelligence? Anyone able to actually explain it to me?
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Post by mark687 on Feb 1, 2019 23:15:17 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I liked the Brigadier books when they started out, but Candy Jar have gotten very... proprietorial? If that's the right word? They're a bit sticks in the mud about controlling anything related to the character now, and anything relating to the Brig's continuity, which they already sort of handwaved out the window as an excuse to keep writing him into whatever sci-fi adventures they wanted while using a "timey wimey wibbly wobly" excuse for anything that doesn't fit with what's been on television or in other sources. A bit hypocritical of them, IMO. Yeah, I have to agree with you on this. In fact I largely am avoiding this release for that reason. The trend that the Candy Jar team have employed of rewriting and dismissing things that the tv has done and then be mad that the tv show doesn’t consult them on their stories... rubs me the wrong way. Also I’ve never truly understood if Andy Frankham-Allen has any kind of legal right over The Brig or The Great Inttelligence? Anyone able to actually explain it to me? The Writer is a living Trustee of the Mervyn Hasiman (who along with Henry Lincoln was the writer of The Web of Fear) Estate who somehow successfully argued in court that all future use or development of those characters should be done by or after consultancy with them, as well as retaining the Copyright.
Regards
mark687
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Post by aemiliapaula on Feb 1, 2019 23:28:51 GMT
It was cool to meet Leela's ancestor and hear more about her family. I was hoping maybe the Brigadier would meet the Captain from Twice Upon a Time. I wonder whom the Doctor met?..... Wasn’t it the Third Doctor? And that’s why the Doctor couldn’t remember his time with UNIT and claimed that the First Doctor was two Regenerations ago. Ah that makes sense. I did listen to this at 3 am. I guess a regeneration could be your ancestor.
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Post by masterdoctor on Feb 1, 2019 23:46:59 GMT
Yeah, I have to agree with you on this. In fact I largely am avoiding this release for that reason. The trend that the Candy Jar team have employed of rewriting and dismissing things that the tv has done and then be mad that the tv show doesn’t consult them on their stories... rubs me the wrong way. Also I’ve never truly understood if Andy Frankham-Allen has any kind of legal right over The Brig or The Great Inttelligence? Anyone able to actually explain it to me? The Writer is the living Trustee of the Henry Lincoln (who along with Mervyn Hasiman was the writer of The Web of Fear) Estate who somehow successfully argued in court that all future use or development of those characters should be done by or after consultancy with them, as well as retaining the Copyright.
Regards
mark687
I understand now, and I think he was appointed by the estate so that might be it, but considering the reach of his "ownership" he believes he has, regarding things like name drops and family members of the Brig, that furthers my dislike unfortunately.
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 2, 2019 9:52:24 GMT
IIRC the writer, who oversees the rights to the Brigadier, didn't like the Captain since he wasn't consulted by Moffat and it messes up some of the canon he's recently made. Don't get me wrong, I liked the Brigadier books when they started out, but Candy Jar have gotten very... proprietorial? If that's the right word? They're a bit sticks in the mud about controlling anything related to the character now, and anything relating to the Brig's continuity, which they already sort of handwaved out the window as an excuse to keep writing him into whatever sci-fi adventures they wanted while using a "timey wimey wibbly wobly" excuse for anything that doesn't fit with what's been on television or in other sources. A bit hypocritical of them, IMO. I agree with you there. From a story point of view, there’s nothing added due to all the handwaving nonsense. It doesn’t help that they’re all proprietorial, yet have the very clumsy “from the classic era of Doctor Who”, as they don’t have the Doctor Who licence. Personally, that just makes me inclined to not bother with them. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, it’s each to their own, but it’s a mess that I have no real interest in. The Brigadier encountering Leela makes me groan a little. Seeing it’s written by Andy Frankham-Allen doubly so.
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Post by pillicock on Feb 2, 2019 10:45:00 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I liked the Brigadier books when they started out, but Candy Jar have gotten very... proprietorial? If that's the right word? They're a bit sticks in the mud about controlling anything related to the character now, and anything relating to the Brig's continuity, which they already sort of handwaved out the window as an excuse to keep writing him into whatever sci-fi adventures they wanted while using a "timey wimey wibbly wobly" excuse for anything that doesn't fit with what's been on television or in other sources. A bit hypocritical of them, IMO. I agree with you there. From a story point of view, there’s nothing added due to all the handwaving nonsense. It doesn’t help that they’re all proprietorial, yet have the very clumsy “from the classic era of Doctor Who”, as they don’t have the Doctor Who licence. Personally, that just makes me inclined to not bother with them. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, it’s each to their own, but it’s a mess that I have no real interest in. The Brigadier encountering Leela makes me groan a little. Seeing it’s written by Andy Frankham-Allen doubly so. Yes, I was afraid we'd see AF-A's name involved when I heard the Brigadier was going to be appearing in the Third Doctor Adventures. And I agree: the "Haisman Estate" have been very heavy-handed with their 'ownership' Brigadier. It's a little bit cheeky really as he's hardly a standout character in the Web of Fear. He probably wouldn't have returned if it hadn't been for the lovely Nick Courtney's performance. It doesn't help that, from what I understand, the additional history and back-story that Candy Jar have fabricated for the Brig is needlessly convoluted. Part of the Brigadier's charm is that he's a simple man in essence; a career soldier, dedicated, brave, impatient and slightly unimaginative but with a dry wit; that's why he's such a good foil for the Doctor.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 3, 2019 20:40:41 GMT
AF-A is one of fabdom’s success stories, like Moffat starting out writing fanfic and ending up producing Who, or Nick Briggs and JHE writing, directing,etc Audio Visuals And then becoming part of BF. 20 years ago, he was writing and editing a “what if...” series of Who fanfics. Now he’s effectively the custodian of the legacy of the Brigadier at the behest of the estate of one of his creators. It’s a shame he couldn’t have prevented the Cyber-Brig really. And Moffat really should have at least done a check of the Wikia to see ifvLethbridge-Stewartks family tree already existed.
BUT EQUALLY by thunder there’s a lot of tedious, unnecessary fanjodrell in the Lethbridge-Stewart novels. The recent addition of “HAVOC” as a military group for example.
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Post by masterdoctor on Feb 3, 2019 22:21:45 GMT
AF-A is one of fabdom’s success stories, like Moffat starting out writing fanfic and ending up producing Who, or Nick Briggs and JHE writing, directing,etc Audio Visuals And then becoming part of BF. 20 years ago, he was writing and editing a “what if...” series of Who fanfics. Now he’s effectively the custodian of the legacy of the Brigadier at the behest of the estate of one of his creators. It’s a shame he couldn’t have prevented the Cyber-Brig really. And Moffat really should have at least done a check of the Wikia to see ifvLethbridge-Stewartks family tree already existed. BUT EQUALLY by thunder there’s a lot of tedious, unnecessary fanjodrell in the Lethbridge-Stewart novels. The recent addition of “HAVOC” as a military group for example. I can't agree with the second half of your first paragraph. One, I still can't understand why Cyber-Brig was and is a problem. It was a loving tribute to both the character and Nick Courtney, and every dead person is being upgraded, yet The Brig is the one who is able to fight against the "programming" and save both his daughter and The Doctor one last time. And Moffat should have no obligation to stay true to what amounts to a fringe license that isn't actually Doctor Who itself. They are the main show and some niche book series should have no pull on them. Your last statement is true from the small amount of what I've read from the books, and seeing that they have announced a tie-in/sequel to Downtime only goes too further that statement.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 3, 2019 22:32:23 GMT
AF-A is one of fabdom’s success stories, like Moffat starting out writing fanfic and ending up producing Who, or Nick Briggs and JHE writing, directing,etc Audio Visuals And then becoming part of BF. 20 years ago, he was writing and editing a “what if...” series of Who fanfics. Now he’s effectively the custodian of the legacy of the Brigadier at the behest of the estate of one of his creators. It’s a shame he couldn’t have prevented the Cyber-Brig really. And Moffat really should have at least done a check of the Wikia to see ifvLethbridge-Stewartks family tree already existed. BUT EQUALLY by thunder there’s a lot of tedious, unnecessary fanjodrell in the Lethbridge-Stewart novels. The recent addition of “HAVOC” as a military group for example. I can't agree with the second half of your first paragraph. One, I still can't understand why Cyber-Brig was and is a problem. It was a loving tribute to both the character and Nick Courtney, and every dead person is being upgraded, yet The Brig is the one who is able to fight against the "programming" and save both his daughter and The Doctor one last time. And Moffat should have no obligation to stay true to what amounts to a fringe license that isn't actually Doctor Who itself. They are the main show and some niche book series should have no pull on them. Your last statement is true from the small amount of what I've read from the books, and seeing that they have announced a tie-in/sequel to Downtime only goes too further that statement. When using a liscenced character, surely it might be wise to check that the liscence holder hasn’t expanded the character’s history in any way?
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