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Post by shallacatop on Mar 28, 2019 13:02:56 GMT
A little disheartening to already see so many posts in this thread calling it a "gimmick." That's a bit dismissive/flippant, for an effort that's pretty colossal in its undertaking--Fitton and Dorney spending weeks writing scripts, editing, revising so it all fits together, the (I can only imagine to be) Herculean task of trying to schedule as many busy actors into the studio at the same time as possible, a troupe of actors learning how to say their lines just right and how to respond to the rhythms and cadences of each other, Ken's undoubted need to focus in the extreme to get the performances he wants, the weeks (months?) that the sound designers spend making sure everything sounds just right). It's not as though this sort of thing is some casual 'hey let's do this' fanjodrell decision while drunk at the pub. I think that’s a strange statement when nobody has said anything like that of the kind. I find it disheartening that you interpreted that from the posts made. Everyone appreciates the effort that’s put into making every single one of these productions. We simply wouldn’t buy them if we didn’t.
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 28, 2019 13:03:26 GMT
Regardless of what anyone else thinks, I saw the cover of this and ran to show everyone in the vicinity! Not only is it a gorgeous cover, but its contents were mind-blowing for me. Then I read the article itself and I got even more excited (am I just a little boy inside, excited by his favourite TV show? Yes, yes I am ). Multi-Master is something that is done so rarely (only twice in any acted story, as far as I'm aware), so any new ones are obviously something to look forward to. I am wondering if this is going to be a "Four Masters" story though. The article says that Geoffrey Beevers is in the second episode, Planet of Dust, while John Dorney only talks about writing for Gomez and Jacobi when discussing Day of the Master. That would suggest to me that Roberts is appearing in Whispers, and that we'll only be having another "Two Masters"-type affair with the finale (which isn't a complaint - the last time dorney penned a Two Masters story, he produced one of the best Doctor Who stories ever, so I almost literally can't wait for this!!!).
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 28, 2019 13:07:14 GMT
Regardless of what anyone else thinks, I saw the cover of this and ran to show everyone in the vicinity! Not only is it a gorgeous cover, but its contents were mind-blowing for me. Then I read the article itself and I got even more excited (am I just a little boy inside, excited by his favourite TV show? Yes, yes I am ). Multi-Master is something that is done so rarely (only twice in any acted story, as far as I'm aware), so any new ones are obviously something to look forward to. I am wondering if this is going to be a "Four Masters" story though. The article says that Geoffrey Beevers is in the second episode, Planet of Dust, while John Dorney only talks about writing for Gomez and Jacobi when discussing Day of the Master. That would suggest to me that Roberts is appearing in Whispers, and that we'll only be having another "Two Masters"-type affair with the finale (which isn't a complaint - the last time dorney penned a Two Masters story, he produced one of the best Doctor Who stories ever, so I almost literally can't wait for this!!!). My interpretation is that the Jacobi, Gomez & Roberts incarnations are in The Day of the Master. I think you’re right and that Roberts will be in Whispers, and he’ll be the “main” one of the set. The Two Masters really is excellent. The thought of Jacobi and Gomez having their equivalent of that is exciting!
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Post by fingersmash on Mar 28, 2019 13:33:10 GMT
Ravenous continues to be "Sure Why Not?: The Series" and I'm kinda over it. The good stories making the series are all good but why can't we just tell a story and not throw in a gimmick because you want to see it, especially when a Master Team-Up on its own is a good enough plot to make up its own series after Ravenous. Its not that its bad, but I'd rather see them tightly wrap up the Ravenous and then give us a breather series instead of shoving the Master into a box set where it's not needed.
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Post by constonks on Mar 28, 2019 13:36:48 GMT
Where. Is. Alex. Macqueen.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 28, 2019 14:16:50 GMT
I see 8 is encountering Jacobi and Gomez - yet more amnesia on the way?
I suppose Jacobi could be a pre-war War Master, i.e. Eight's contemporary at this point.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 28, 2019 14:19:55 GMT
I think it was inevitable that the MacQueen Master would be sidelined as soon as they started getting more TV incarnations on board. Probably true, bit it would be nice to give him a send-off in a regeneration story
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 28, 2019 14:19:59 GMT
Where. Is. Alex. Macqueen. Once the story is over, he'll appear setting up the next set
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Post by smith11 on Mar 28, 2019 14:21:57 GMT
I see 8 is encountering Jacobi and Gomez - yet more amnesia on the way? I suppose Jacobi could be a pre-war War Master, i.e. Eight's contemporary at this point. Dorney has said on Twitter that no amensia incidents will happen in Ravenous 3 and 4 so at least it rules out that option
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 28, 2019 14:23:32 GMT
I wonder if this will resolve the Mastermind / Lifeboat and Deathboat discrepancy - I guess it depends on whether this is Beevers I, Beevers II or Beevers III
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Post by CookieMaster on Mar 28, 2019 15:05:40 GMT
I wonder if this will resolve the Mastermind / Lifeboat and Deathboat discrepancy - I guess it depends on whether this is Beevers I, Beevers II or Beevers III I'm not hopeful, but that would be great. I'm looking forward to some Master, Master, Master, Missy interaction this time.
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Post by constonks on Mar 28, 2019 15:14:51 GMT
I wonder if this will resolve the Mastermind / Lifeboat and Deathboat discrepancy - I guess it depends on whether this is Beevers I, Beevers II or Beevers III I had that thought too - but the art suggests Beevers I or II - Mastermind's cover had him looking entirely different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 15:25:33 GMT
A little disheartening to already see so many posts in this thread calling it a "gimmick." That's a bit dismissive/flippant, for an effort that's pretty colossal in its undertaking--Fitton and Dorney spending weeks writing scripts, editing, revising so it all fits together, the (I can only imagine to be) Herculean task of trying to schedule as many busy actors into the studio at the same time as possible, a troupe of actors learning how to say their lines just right and how to respond to the rhythms and cadences of each other, Ken's undoubted need to focus in the extreme to get the performances he wants, the weeks (months?) that the sound designers spend making sure everything sounds just right). It's not as though this sort of thing is some casual 'hey let's do this' fanjodrell decision while drunk at the pub. I think we all appreciate the effort BF put into their product, that's a given. But we can still see some things as gimmicks. I wouldn't use the term you did but I do think this is an example of when BF do drift over into fanfic, well made fanfic but fanfic none the less. But that's my personal taste, I don't like this sort of thing so much nor stuff they do that relies heavily on continuity.
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Post by xlozdob on Mar 28, 2019 15:42:02 GMT
All this Beevers I, II and III talk makes me want a multi-Beevers story XD
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Post by constonks on Mar 28, 2019 16:05:42 GMT
All this Beevers I, II and III talk makes me want a multi-Beevers story XD Written by Geoffrey Beevers.
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Post by agentten on Mar 28, 2019 16:09:14 GMT
I've been hoping for a Eight/Roberts rematch so this is very exciting news!
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Post by Shiny on Mar 28, 2019 16:10:45 GMT
BF have had a lot of stories that seem like gimmicks, releases that I buy more because I want to see a certain set of characters interact than because of the story. Usually that would be a problem because if the story is bad, it doesn't matter which interesting character combinations they use. If the story isn't good, I'll be left disappointed.
The good news is, more often than not the "gimmick" releases DO have good stories, in my opinion at least. That's why I can't wait for this release. The announcement of four different Masters took my by surprise. Just like the companions uniting in Ravenous 3, I don't know how it's going to happen and I have no idea how they'll avoid using some sort of amnesia. But BF have a good enough track record that I'm not expecting Ravenous 4 to disappoint.
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Post by saxty on Mar 28, 2019 16:30:08 GMT
I think its a strange feeling to see the same guest cast as they used on River Song Series 5.
But when i look at what we actually get from this. Missy vs 8, Missy teaming up with the War Master, with both of them presumably treating the Robert’s Master as a bit of an embarrassing forgotten incarnation the same as the War Doctor in DOTD.
Not to mention Eric Roberts vs 8.
Yep im pretty excited.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 28, 2019 16:42:33 GMT
I don’t look at gimmick as such a negative. More Gomez, Beavers and Jacobi is always a welcome sound. Let ‘s hope Eric Roberts has more of a feel for the audio medium with this because he was terrible in the River set.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 16:59:09 GMT
Personally i would have prefered it just to be Eric Roberts and i still suspect he will be the Main Master with Gomez and Jacobi acting as, well “mini bosses” i guess. Reckon both missys boxset and the war master three will link into this set as well.
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