Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 18:12:44 GMT
I dont think it needs to be a death. I think there is enough of Liv feeling that no one listens to her especially the Doctor when she warns him.Would you hang around? Let her leave.Lucie Miller did it when she was hurt by the Doctor.Let Liv leave in an arguement or a difference of opinion it really can have just as much impact as a death scene.Helen well you can do anything to Helen we know she NEVER returned home and was basically lost to time... Either way it will be memorable . Knowing Liv and her connection to the Daleks a simple non interference speech from the doctor would be enough for her to bugger off and leave him willing to fight her own war. Yeah, there is potential for some great conflict. Good drama grows from conflict. I hope we get some more of these character driven stories and I hope they won't shy away from some of the more uncomfortable developments.
Yes as long as the conflict stays in my audios and NOT in my life lol,I am with you on that ðĪŠ
|
|
|
Post by fingersmash on Oct 20, 2019 18:39:16 GMT
I dont think it needs to be a death. I think there is enough of Liv feeling that no one listens to her especially the Doctor when she warns him.Would you hang around? Let her leave.Lucie Miller did it when she was hurt by the Doctor.Let Liv leave in an arguement or a difference of opinion it really can have just as much impact as a death scene.Helen well you can do anything to Helen we know she NEVER returned home and was basically lost to time... Either way it will be memorable . Knowing Liv and her connection to the Daleks a simple non interference speech from the doctor would be enough for her to bugger off and leave him willing to fight her own war. Yeah, there is potential for some great conflict. Good drama grows from conflict. I hope we get some more of these character driven stories and I hope they won't shy away from some of the more uncomfortable developments.
The biggest thing for me is that Liv and/or Helen, as much as they are fan favorites, need to go in some way. I've said it a thousand times at this point but it feels like nothing new is being done with them. That Eight, Liv, and Helen as a team have gone past their natural endpoint as a TARDIS team but someone keeps ordering them to stay onboard and keep the status quo we've had in some way for 6 years at this point. If this were the show proper, people would be rioting in the streets over how stagnant things are. Doctor Who is all about change and yet Eight has been stuck in the same plots with the same tone and the same characters for so long at this point it's almost comedic. I feel like I'm being that guy who hates everything right now but the same-old-same-old and how ingrained the status quo is in these boxsets with nothing really rocking the boat or spicing things up is really grating for me. Since we're just stuck with a group who've pretty much passed their expiration date and haven't done anything to prove that they're worth keeping on instead of just saying their farewells and letting the series move on to something new.
|
|
|
Post by barnabaslives on Oct 21, 2019 2:31:30 GMT
Yeah, there is potential for some great conflict. Good drama grows from conflict. I hope we get some more of these character driven stories and I hope they won't shy away from some of the more uncomfortable developments.
The biggest thing for me is that Liv and/or Helen, as much as they are fan favorites, need to go in some way. I've said it a thousand times at this point but it feels like nothing new is being done with them. That Eight, Liv, and Helen as a team have gone past their natural endpoint as a TARDIS team but someone keeps ordering them to stay onboard and keep the status quo we've had in some way for 6 years at this point. If this were the show proper, people would be rioting in the streets over how stagnant things are. Doctor Who is all about change and yet Eight has been stuck in the same plots with the same tone and the same characters for so long at this point it's almost comedic. I feel like I'm being that guy who hates everything right now but the same-old-same-old and how ingrained the status quo is in these boxsets with nothing really rocking the boat or spicing things up is really grating for me. You may not have to be the guy who hates everything to feel that way. Lately I'm back to liking Liv and Helen again after them having been written better for Ravenous 4 in my opinion, but even for that or for as much as I liked the whole run of box sets myself, it does still surprise me to think how many stories Liv and Helen have been in for how many years, and I really was surprised that a parting of the ways wasn't front and center in Ravenous 4 just because it really did feel timely somehow. I'm not sure all this does quite seem right. Even Bliss and a recent Lucie Miller boxset (hooray!) don't seem to offset that much the sense of a long interrupted run of Liv and Helen stories, which also surprises me. I can't figure out what I think might be missing although it did come to mind that sometimes with a change of companions we're eligible for a renewed sense of wonder and awe about their travels and experiences. Bless Peri Brown that after so many adventures she still seems like someone you can count on for a "wow!" whereas if I try to think back on the adventures with Liv and Helen, my mind may be playing tricks on me but things seem to comes back as being otherwise. I'm not sure if that's really true of Liv and Helen but I know that if anything tried to ruin my appreciation of Clara, it seemed to be not so much acting like The Doctor was her chauffeur, but a sense that with the whole universe available to her, she was more likely to ask to be taken to the dry cleaners or the corner deli in the TARDIS. :-) I don't know if it's just the companions, though, to be fair - I think I've probably had enough of The Eleven to serve for awhile even with the other amazing interwoven plot lines we were treated to, and much more without a break might really be over-saturation. A brilliant and worthy character but then again arguing with one's self may risk wearing thin as something unique about the character with overuse, and I think The Eleven already lost the suspense of wondering whether he might regenerate into something better, or something even worse (oh no!) :-), with the events of the Time War. Dunno, maybe it's just the mood I happen to be in that things seem this way, but I'm at least going to say I think you're probably very right that maybe a shake-up wouldn't hurt because I'm sure I've already been tempted to think that often enough.
|
|
|
Post by fingersmash on Oct 21, 2019 3:51:33 GMT
The biggest thing for me is that Liv and/or Helen, as much as they are fan favorites, need to go in some way. I've said it a thousand times at this point but it feels like nothing new is being done with them. That Eight, Liv, and Helen as a team have gone past their natural endpoint as a TARDIS team but someone keeps ordering them to stay onboard and keep the status quo we've had in some way for 6 years at this point. If this were the show proper, people would be rioting in the streets over how stagnant things are. Doctor Who is all about change and yet Eight has been stuck in the same plots with the same tone and the same characters for so long at this point it's almost comedic. I feel like I'm being that guy who hates everything right now but the same-old-same-old and how ingrained the status quo is in these boxsets with nothing really rocking the boat or spicing things up is really grating for me. You may not have to be the guy who hates everything to feel that way. Lately I'm back to liking Liv and Helen again after them having been written better for Ravenous 4 in my opinion, but even for that or for as much as I liked the whole run of box sets myself, it does still surprise me to think how many stories Liv and Helen have been in for how many years, and I really was surprised that a parting of the ways wasn't front and center in Ravenous 4 just because it really did feel timely somehow. I'm not sure all this does quite seem right. Even Bliss and a recent Lucie Miller boxset (hooray!) don't seem to offset that much the sense of a long interrupted run of Liv and Helen stories, which also surprises me. I can't figure out what I think might be missing although it did come to mind that sometimes with a change of companions we're eligible for a renewed sense of wonder and awe about their travels and experiences. Bless Peri Brown that after so many adventures she still seems like someone you can count on for a "wow!" whereas if I try to think back on the adventures with Liv and Helen, my mind may be playing tricks on me but things seem to comes back as being otherwise. I'm not sure if that's really true of Liv and Helen but I know that if anything tried to ruin my appreciation of Clara, it seemed to be not so much acting like The Doctor was her chauffeur, but a sense that with the whole universe available to her, she was more likely to ask to be taken to the dry cleaners or the corner deli in the TARDIS. :-) I don't know if it's just the companions, though, to be fair - I think I've probably had enough of The Eleven to serve for awhile even with the other amazing interwoven plot lines we were treated to, and much more without a break might really be over-saturation. A brilliant and worthy character but then again arguing with one's self may risk wearing thin as something unique about the character with overuse, and I think The Eleventh already lost the suspense of wondering whether he might regenerate into something better, or something even worse (oh no!) :-), with the events of the Time War. Dunno, maybe it's just the mood I happen to be in that things seem this way, but I'm at least going to say I think you're probably very right that maybe a shake-up wouldn't hurt because I'm sure I've already been tempted to think that often enough. I absolutely agree with you on Liv and Helen not being the only problem and the Eleven coming back way too soon. But I think they're both really major issues and might just be symptomatic of a lack of ideas for what to do with another 16-part epic when the story they told actually had the bones for a really tight 8 or 12 part series. Honestly, if you cut Ravenous down to World of Damnation/Sweet Salvation Escape from Kaldor Better Watch Out/Fairytale of Salzburg Seizure Deeptime Frontier Companion Piece The Odds Against Planet of Dust Day of the Master You really could have a very tight, fun horror epic without a ton of the filler clogging up the story like it did, with the majority of it being dropped aside from Kaldor and Companion Piece. I'm actually considering going back through the series now with this truncated version to see how much better it feels out of curiosity.
|
|
|
Post by Zagreus on Oct 21, 2019 4:20:22 GMT
Am I the only one who feels like Helen really hasn't been around that long? She's got less episodes than Lucie, for instance. She still feels newish to me. Are people just feeling this way because of the release schedule, rather than the actual amount of stories she's been in?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 4:44:46 GMT
Am I the only one who feels like Helen really hasn't been around that long? She's got less episodes than Lucie, for instance. She still feels newish to me. Are people just feeling this way because of the release schedule, rather than the actual amount of stories she's been in? Am with you on that how many stories has Helen actually had? With Liv sheâs been technically around since Sylvesters time in Robophobia. But hey comfy old sweater syndrome lol
|
|
|
Post by Zagreus on Oct 21, 2019 5:09:07 GMT
Helen has had 29 episodes.
Lucie, for reference, had 31 episodes in her original run.
Lucie however, had her run from January 2007 to March 2011, or a little over four years.
Helen's so far has been October 2015 to October 2019, which is also four years.
So yeah actually I have no idea what people are talking about.
Liv on the other hand had been around for like a year and a half longer than that, closer to six years as a companion of Eight, and about a year less than Charlie (as a companion of Eight, specifically) at this point, though she's got a way lower episode count, just because of the Main Range releases being 4 episodes to a story.
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Oct 21, 2019 7:33:32 GMT
Hmm... I am not sure if Liv and Helen are the problem (but then I would say that). It might also be the type of stories. You guys mention the lack of sense of wonder and happiness about life and similar... in the past stories, when did they even get a chance to be in the mood for that? I remember in the first Doom Coalition set where Helen is very excited about travelling back to the past and that was one of the memorable moments I felt this sense of wonder. For the most part, this TARDIS team has had to save the universe or was hunted down or threatened non-stop. Or they were abandoned on a time raft in the Vortex. This is of course true for other Who stories, but in these, it was basically part of the setting. There was no time or space in these stories to include a sense of wonder or to feel the joy of life. Even if the few stand alone stories, this did not really happen and these stand-alones felt more like filler you had to get around to get on with the saving the universe plot.
I think this is why it might be a good choice to get back to the basics and tell some smaller stories without the fate of the universe at stake and without the high powers of the universe messing with the lives of the TARDIS team. I think the next series should be a nice change of pace.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:20:36 GMT
Hmm... I am not sure if Liv and Helen are the problem (but then I would say that). It might also be the type of stories. You guys mention the lack of sense of wonder and happiness about life and similar... in the past stories, when did they even get a chance to be in the mood for that? I remember in the first Doom Coalition set where Helen is very excited about travelling back to the past and that was one of the memorable moments I felt this sense of wonder. For the most part, this TARDIS team has had to save the universe or was hunted down or threatened non-stop. Or they were abandoned on a time raft in the Vortex. This is of course true for other Who stories, but in these, it was basically part of the setting. There was no time or space in these stories to include a sense of wonder or to feel the joy of life. Even if the few stand alone stories, this did not really happen and these stand-alones felt more like filler you had to get around to get on with the saving the universe plot.
I think this is why it might be a good choice to get back to the basics and tell some smaller stories without the fate of the universe at stake and without the high powers of the universe messing with the lives of the TARDIS team. I think the next series should be a nice change of pace. Yes and a wee spot of gardening or a good piss up down the brewery..i mean damn it when did they visit a bar?
|
|
|
Post by fingersmash on Oct 21, 2019 17:23:46 GMT
Hmm... I am not sure if Liv and Helen are the problem (but then I would say that). It might also be the type of stories. You guys mention the lack of sense of wonder and happiness about life and similar... in the past stories, when did they even get a chance to be in the mood for that? I remember in the first Doom Coalition set where Helen is very excited about travelling back to the past and that was one of the memorable moments I felt this sense of wonder. For the most part, this TARDIS team has had to save the universe or was hunted down or threatened non-stop. Or they were abandoned on a time raft in the Vortex. This is of course true for other Who stories, but in these, it was basically part of the setting. There was no time or space in these stories to include a sense of wonder or to feel the joy of life. Even if the few stand alone stories, this did not really happen and these stand-alones felt more like filler you had to get around to get on with the saving the universe plot.
I think this is why it might be a good choice to get back to the basics and tell some smaller stories without the fate of the universe at stake and without the high powers of the universe messing with the lives of the TARDIS team. I think the next series should be a nice change of pace. You hit the nail on the head for another reason why these series aren't scratching the itch. There's no big reveal anymore. I can't see this team opening the doors to the TARDIS and seeing something amazing and being stunned. I think that's the biggest flaw of Eight's box set era. There were never really any chances for quiet moments of wonder like Lucie and Charley had. It's always "go, go, go" to get to the next plot point so the team never gets the chance to slow down and actually travel in the TARDIS. They're so preoccupied with saving the universe that we never see them playing tourist or relaxing and talking to each other in the TARDIS. And this is from someone who would adore a Knight Errant characterization for the Doctor, but when you aren't getting the quiet moments, the big moments don't seem big. I don't buy this team because I haven't really seen them act like a trio of traveling companions. I haven't seen the Doctor with his two best friends at his sides exploring the universe and stopping the smaller scale threats they come across. I've only seen the Doctor, Liv, and Helen being dragged around trying to stop whatever universe ending threat is at it this time. I think that's the problem with the 16-part epics they're doing. The threat has to justify the length and as a result, we aren't getting the quieter and more stand alone stories that develop the team and when we do get those stories, they feel out of place. I'd really like to see them change up the number of boxes each series gets and just put them under an umbrella "The Eighth Doctor Adventures" range. So something like Ravenous could have been 12 episodes and then Stranded could be 8 episodes and then whatever comes after Stranded could be some huge 20 episode epic and then whatever comes after that could go for something smaller and more intimate at 4 episodes. I feel like they've been missing forests for trees with Eight after Dark Eyes, Doom Coalition, and especially Ravenous where they're getting bogged down into this 16-part format without much variety in the stories and nothing really affecting the characters like it could so it all feels stagnant and samey. Universal threats should not be boring and yet, the most interesting parts of Ravenous is Companion Piece which had absolutely nothing to do with the plot but was electric in a way nothing else in the series was because it was something different from the same-old and didn't feel like filler like most of the other non-plot episodes did because it at least made some push to give Liv and Helen a bit more character and personality in my eyes. I still feel like I don't actually know who Liv and Helen are as people but I at least know some things about them because of those little side stories that are filler but don't feel like it because it does something interesting with the characters like Absent Friends in Doom Coalition (which is maybe my favorite Helen showing and one of the few times I get a sense of how she and the Doctor are together) and Companion Piece in Ravenous. I really feel like my opinions are all over the place and contradictory to each other. I want to adore Liv and Helen so much but I can't bring myself to love them as characters like I've loved Charley and Lucie and Evelyn and Hex and Flip and Constance and Marc. I can point at each one of them and give a reason why I love them so much and why I find them likable. Liv and Helen are just there to me. Like nothing is really making them stand out as characters other than being pawns of the plot. Can one of our many members who adore Liv and Helen maybe help me see the other side?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:27:24 GMT
I feel like they've been missing forests for trees with Eight after Dark Eyes, Doom Coalition, and especially Ravenous where they're getting bogged down into this 16-part format without much variety in the stories and nothing really affecting the characters like it could so it all feels stagnant and samey. 100% this!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:28:08 GMT
Helen has had 29 episodes. Lucie, for reference, had 31 episodes in her original run. Lucie however, had her run from January 2007 to March 2011, or a little over four years. Helen's so far has been October 2015 to October 2019, which is also four years. So yeah actually I have no idea what people are talking about. Liv on the other hand had been around for like a year and a half longer than that, closer to six years as a companion of Eight, and about a year less than Charlie (as a companion of Eight, specifically) at this point, though she's got a way lower episode count, just because of the Main Range releases being 4 episodes to a story. Thanks a lot for working that out,i appreciate it.So Not really a lot of episodes.Leela has been around forever as had Romana and nae chance of kicking Ace out anytime soon. For me am not bored of the team or of the stories but i can see why people like change or think things are stagnating but am hopeful a bit of depth and a varied style of storytelling can refresh things while retaining the drama and the high class of storytelling.I am sure, though i cannot mind read but i think working out long complicated story arcs must be draining on writers and small compact stories may reignite new ideas for UNIVERSAL conflict. I have loved all of them Dark Eyes through to ravenous 4 really have and have total respect for Dark Eyes 3 which Matt Fitton had to do on his own.
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Oct 21, 2019 17:51:34 GMT
Hmm... I am not sure if Liv and Helen are the problem (but then I would say that). It might also be the type of stories. You guys mention the lack of sense of wonder and happiness about life and similar... in the past stories, when did they even get a chance to be in the mood for that? I remember in the first Doom Coalition set where Helen is very excited about travelling back to the past and that was one of the memorable moments I felt this sense of wonder. For the most part, this TARDIS team has had to save the universe or was hunted down or threatened non-stop. Or they were abandoned on a time raft in the Vortex. This is of course true for other Who stories, but in these, it was basically part of the setting. There was no time or space in these stories to include a sense of wonder or to feel the joy of life. Even if the few stand alone stories, this did not really happen and these stand-alones felt more like filler you had to get around to get on with the saving the universe plot.
I think this is why it might be a good choice to get back to the basics and tell some smaller stories without the fate of the universe at stake and without the high powers of the universe messing with the lives of the TARDIS team. I think the next series should be a nice change of pace. Yes and a wee spot of gardening or a good piss up down the brewery..i mean damn it when did they visit a bar? Haha, I think that was back in the day of the colourful coat... 8 just does not feel like the type (although they did get drunk with the two companions Davros did brainwash in Terror Firma...) As long as it does not overstay it's welcome, by all means. Just showing them in some everyday situations would be a pleasant change of pace.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:54:13 GMT
Yes and a wee spot of gardening or a good piss up down the brewery..i mean damn it when did they visit a bar? Haha, I think that was back in the day of the colourful coat... 8 just does not feel like the type (although they did get drunk with the two companions Davros did brainwash in Terror Firma...) As long as it does not overstay it's welcome, by all means. Just showing them in some everyday situations would be a pleasant change of pace.
Well it sounded like Liv needed help with the Ironing and hell why cant the two lassies take the Doctor Clothes shopping for new Jackets and satchel...throw in an Auton dummy in there...ð
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Oct 21, 2019 17:56:49 GMT
Hmm... I am not sure if Liv and Helen are the problem (but then I would say that). It might also be the type of stories. You guys mention the lack of sense of wonder and happiness about life and similar... in the past stories, when did they even get a chance to be in the mood for that? I remember in the first Doom Coalition set where Helen is very excited about travelling back to the past and that was one of the memorable moments I felt this sense of wonder. For the most part, this TARDIS team has had to save the universe or was hunted down or threatened non-stop. Or they were abandoned on a time raft in the Vortex. This is of course true for other Who stories, but in these, it was basically part of the setting. There was no time or space in these stories to include a sense of wonder or to feel the joy of life. Even if the few stand alone stories, this did not really happen and these stand-alones felt more like filler you had to get around to get on with the saving the universe plot.
I think this is why it might be a good choice to get back to the basics and tell some smaller stories without the fate of the universe at stake and without the high powers of the universe messing with the lives of the TARDIS team. I think the next series should be a nice change of pace. You hit the nail on the head for another reason why these series aren't scratching the itch. There's no big reveal anymore. I can't see this team opening the doors to the TARDIS and seeing something amazing and being stunned. I think that's the biggest flaw of Eight's box set era. There were never really any chances for quiet moments of wonder like Lucie and Charley had. It's always "go, go, go" to get to the next plot point so the team never gets the chance to slow down and actually travel in the TARDIS. They're so preoccupied with saving the universe that we never see them playing tourist or relaxing and talking to each other in the TARDIS. And this is from someone who would adore a Knight Errant characterization for the Doctor, but when you aren't getting the quiet moments, the big moments don't seem big. I don't buy this team because I haven't really seen them act like a trio of traveling companions. I haven't seen the Doctor with his two best friends at his sides exploring the universe and stopping the smaller scale threats they come across. I've only seen the Doctor, Liv, and Helen being dragged around trying to stop whatever universe ending threat is at it this time. I think that's the problem with the 16-part epics they're doing. The threat has to justify the length and as a result, we aren't getting the quieter and more stand alone stories that develop the team and when we do get those stories, they feel out of place. I'd really like to see them change up the number of boxes each series gets and just put them under an umbrella "The Eighth Doctor Adventures" range. So something like Ravenous could have been 12 episodes and then Stranded could be 8 episodes and then whatever comes after Stranded could be some huge 20 episode epic and then whatever comes after that could go for something smaller and more intimate at 4 episodes. I feel like they've been missing forests for trees with Eight after Dark Eyes, Doom Coalition, and especially Ravenous where they're getting bogged down into this 16-part format without much variety in the stories and nothing really affecting the characters like it could so it all feels stagnant and samey. Universal threats should not be boring and yet, the most interesting parts of Ravenous is Companion Piece which had absolutely nothing to do with the plot but was electric in a way nothing else in the series was because it was something different from the same-old and didn't feel like filler like most of the other non-plot episodes did because it at least made some push to give Liv and Helen a bit more character and personality in my eyes. I still feel like I don't actually know who Liv and Helen are as people but I at least know some things about them because of those little side stories that are filler but don't feel like it because it does something interesting with the characters like Absent Friends in Doom Coalition (which is maybe my favorite Helen showing and one of the few times I get a sense of how she and the Doctor are together) and Companion Piece in Ravenous. I really feel like my opinions are all over the place and contradictory to each other. I want to adore Liv and Helen so much but I can't bring myself to love them as characters like I've loved Charley and Lucie and Evelyn and Hex and Flip and Constance and Marc. I can point at each one of them and give a reason why I love them so much and why I find them likable. Liv and Helen are just there to me. Like nothing is really making them stand out as characters other than being pawns of the plot. Can one of our many members who adore Liv and Helen maybe help me see the other side? So we are pretty much agreed. I would love to have some smaller scale stories. Let them solve something like a haunted house mystery like the 10th Doctor did in the latest box set (that was my favorite story in that set). Let them have something of a more domestic life. Just some room to breathe. I do love big event releases, but that was pretty much all we got all year. I would be very happy with a change of pace.
This is also one of the reasons I look forward to Liv's solo series. I am curious about this character, how she behaves on her own, and how she acts in a more confined setting. I think it will be very refreshing.
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Oct 21, 2019 17:58:01 GMT
Haha, I think that was back in the day of the colourful coat... 8 just does not feel like the type (although they did get drunk with the two companions Davros did brainwash in Terror Firma...) As long as it does not overstay it's welcome, by all means. Just showing them in some everyday situations would be a pleasant change of pace.
Well it sounded like Liv needed help with the Ironing and hell why cant the two lassies take the Doctor Clothes shopping for new Jackets and satchel...throw in an Auton dummy in there...ð I said before and I repeat myself- I would be happy just listening to the team cleaning up the TARDIS and bantering with each other.
A nice quiet story, along the lines of "Relative Dimensions" for example.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 18:04:04 GMT
Well it sounded like Liv needed help with the Ironing and hell why cant the two lassies take the Doctor Clothes shopping for new Jackets and satchel...throw in an Auton dummy in there...ð I said before and I repeat myself- I would be happy just listening to the team cleaning up the TARDIS and bantering with each other.
A nice quiet story, along the lines of "Relative Dimensions" for example.
I so agree threat can come from mundane things...i know they mention SQUEEE moments but you hit it on the head we have had BIG all year and i have enjoyed every BIG release,standalone episodes am all for anyway i know am going to buy regardless anyway so either way i win lol epic small i havent been disappointed yet
|
|
|
Post by OneTen on Oct 22, 2019 8:52:42 GMT
FWIW I will happily keep listening to Liv & Helen adventures for as long as they continue to produce them. I think they're a really distinctive, enjoyable companion team - there's a great balance of affection and adventurousness tempered with a groundedness. They have a depth that not all of the recently introduced companions have had. I was relieved and delighted that they are continuing.
I also really like the 16-part format. The contrast in style between Doom Coalition and Ravenous shows how flexible it can be, and I'm looking forward to seeing where BF take it with Stranded.
|
|
|
Post by number13 on Oct 22, 2019 9:39:42 GMT
Not sure I understand the 'have Liv and Helen been in too many stories?' debate.
Compared with Ace or Nyssa they're hardly warming up!
|
|
|
Post by tuigirl on Oct 22, 2019 17:22:25 GMT
Not sure I understand the 'have Liv and Helen been in too many stories?' debate.
Compared with Ace or Nyssa they're hardly warming up!
Well, we could debate if there has been too much of Ace on the whole....
|
|