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Post by Whovitt on Jun 11, 2019 7:37:33 GMT
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 11, 2019 7:51:54 GMT
Awesome can't wait hear this, enjoyed Mags as a companion, hopefully she gets a fitting pay off to her characters arc.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jun 11, 2019 8:58:44 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Jun 11, 2019 10:39:15 GMT
Well if the pervious 2 stories in this trilogy were Holmes and Hinchcliffe homages, this is one for the VNAs and the slightly more mature DWM Comic Strips and Short Stories of the 90s Fellow Travelers for a start. I would recommend this trilogy as an intro to BF and its apt that its been released near the DW at BF 20th Anniversery as I think its an example of one of BF's founding principals. Remind people why they like the programme then gently push the bubble. Bon Voyage Alan Barns an almost as steady Script Editor as Messiers Dicks and Holmes Regards mark687
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 11, 2019 12:26:09 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 11, 2019 12:26:53 GMT
This is arguably the best 7th doctor story ever.
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Post by levi3o4 on Jun 11, 2019 14:34:54 GMT
Does this story end up revealing anything about the Ace's timeline? Or the Doctor's, for that matter?
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Post by mark687 on Jun 11, 2019 14:58:39 GMT
Does this story end up revealing anything about the Ace's timeline? Or the Doctor's, for that matter? Its late for the 7th and Pre Time War Gallifrey for Ace
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mark687
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jun 11, 2019 14:59:44 GMT
Does this story end up revealing anything about the Ace's timeline? Or the Doctor's, for that matter? {Spoiler} They’re really vague about it and sidestep how Ace left completely, as though we a,ready knew everything. There’s no mention of Gallifrey at all, and Ace seems to be living on Earth, that’s about all we know. The Doctor visits Allen Road from the VNAs, and Ace seems to be familiar with it, so it’s at least after the comic Fellow Travellers. Ace contacts the Doctor via space-time telegraph and at the end of the story stays with another character in the story, while the Doctor and Mags leave in the TARDIS to continue their adventures.
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 11, 2019 16:59:32 GMT
Downloading it now. Most likely wont get around to it till the weekend. But you guys make me really look forward to this.
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Post by Max Kashevsky on Jun 11, 2019 18:26:09 GMT
That completely blew me away. Its twists and turns, its willingness to zero in on a tight subplot for most of an episode, its hilarious bad guy jabber—a perfect end to a fantastic trilogy. Don't hit people over the head!
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Post by levi3o4 on Jun 11, 2019 19:06:20 GMT
Does this story end up revealing anything about the Ace's timeline? Or the Doctor's, for that matter? Its late for the 7th and Pre Time War Gallifrey for Ace
Regards
mark687
Thank you!
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Post by levi3o4 on Jun 11, 2019 19:06:40 GMT
Does this story end up revealing anything about the Ace's timeline? Or the Doctor's, for that matter? {Spoiler} They’re really vague about it and sidestep how Ace left completely, as though we a,ready knew everything. There’s no mention of Gallifrey at all, and Ace seems to be living on Earth, that’s about all we know. The Doctor visits Allen Road from the VNAs, and Ace seems to be familiar with it, so it’s at least after the comic Fellow Travellers. Ace contacts the Doctor via space-time telegraph and at the end of the story stays with another character in the story, while the Doctor and Mags leave in the TARDIS to continue their adventures. Thank you!
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Post by bohnny on Jun 12, 2019 3:57:00 GMT
… hilarious bad guy jabber …. like the sound of this
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Post by IndieMacUser on Jun 12, 2019 8:53:05 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 12, 2019 12:40:08 GMT
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Post by vivdunstan on Jun 13, 2019 17:04:01 GMT
Oh my goodness, that was so bad. I was really looking forward to this. But the script and direction are so poor. So many long gaps of silence, so much saying the same thing over and over again, such bad acting from two guest stars in particular.
It’s such a shame. Hearing Mags again was a great idea, but I feel the stories have been a terrible let down.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 14:26:59 GMT
Halfway through episode three and I've given up on this. What a huge shame; the gothic sounding themes for this latest series sounded so promising, but as often with Seventh Doctor trilogies, this started off really well with the first story, didn't quite cut the mustard with the second, and the third has proven (to me) virtually unlistenable. Unrestrained, OTT acting, dialogue no-one would ever speak (references to Robert Palmer, 'Thriller', Men at Work and other Eighties acts are hammered in to a story that's set in the Nineties. Perhaps this is explained in the final part?), Ace has become a deeply irritating version of her Dragonfire days once again, and the wonderful Jessica Martin, who's character Mags has so much potential (and why bring her back if not explore that?), is only mildly interesting - unforgivable for a lycanthrope!
It gives me no pleasure to slate a project that has presumably been worked on with a degree of passion, but this story tries so hard to be eccentric and just ends up uninvolving, confounding and tedious, without an ounce of tension or drama whatsoever. If it weren't for Sylvester's pronunciation of 'artron energy', I'd be hard pressed to find anything redeemable about this at all.
I was listening to a Sherlock Holmes story yesterday, which was well-written, had a comprehensible and interesting (and dramatic) story-line; it was terrifically acted and benefited from absorbing sound design. All this in a range that sells rather less than Doctor Who. I'm not sure what the aim was with this story, but it isn't to my tastes at all, I'm sorry to say.
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Post by elkawho on Jun 15, 2019 13:18:09 GMT
I was disappointed in this one. I loved the previous 2 Mags stories and was really looking forward to this, but the story just didn't grab me. I think I may have to listen again to make sure, since I didn't listen all to it all at one time. But I felt that it was the weakest of the trilogy. Oh well.
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Post by slithe on Jun 16, 2019 11:15:12 GMT
If I am honest, I am not sure what to make of this one. It isn't terrible, but it isn't great either. The final episode does help to piece the story together, the absence of which would have made this a very difficult and confusing story.
I think Alan Barnes is trying to be a bit too clever with this and that it hasn't worked here. What starts off as a deceptively simple plot (i.e. a rescue mission from a haunted house), turns into something a lot more complex and there are many twists and turns along the way that the listener sometimes gets lost. The fact that things are not what they seem with the characters (sometimes working out who is who is a difficult one as there are not many clues) and the narrative is not linear does not help - especially as parts 2 and 3 veer off in different directions. I also think Barnes is trying to play with the concept of an unreliable narrator here - I got smatterings of Christie's The Murder of Roger Ackryod - the characters are not telling the truth. On subsequent listens, I would expect these issues would disappear, but they do make this a difficult story on first listen. I am certainly planning on re-listening to this at some point to ensure that I have got everything.
I agree with Paz, I don't think this fits the 1990s timeline and I really do not think Barnes thought too much about this. Whilst there are some 1990s references, the whole thing smacks of the 1980s - especially the faux-Australian soap opera and key wedding and the reference to Yazz. I would put this at 1988/1989. In many ways, this is the weakness of the McCoy era - it is so grounded in the 1980s that the cast and characters have always struggled to escape it in a way that was never really seen with the UNIT stories of the 1970s. I also disliked the constant continuity references being thrown in and got tired of that aft a while.
There is some standard gothic horror elements - notably the haunted house, creature in the basement, sinister medical professional and vampirism. However, this story is less rooted in those elements than the first two releases in the trilogy and I thought that this was a shame as the tone of the first two was better suited to the use of Mags. The 'return' of Ace was something that we could have avoided as I am not sure that she is entirely necessary to the plot and was rather superfluous once the story had started. The Doctor takes quite a back seat as well and only really gets involved in the last part - whether this is due to him being the 'master manipulator' or poor writing, I cannot really say. Although I give Barnes credit for trying to do something more interesting with vampires - Project: Twilight did it better in 2001 and I never really found the motivation behind the events of the story that convincing - the plot is quite threadbare and relies on coincidences.
Not an awful release but one I think that needed a further draft before recording to tighten up and clarify. There's also a couple of things:
1. The TARDIS appears to change from the 1980s console room to the Movie set - the reason for this isn't really explained. Plot hole? 2. If this is McCoy later in his incarnation, why is he still dressed in the Season 24 garb?
A rather weak ending to this trilogy. The music is good and there are some interesting ideas, but needs further work.
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