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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jun 16, 2019 11:23:03 GMT
I’m glad it wasn’t just me who noticed the interior change. I thought I was going mad.
I have a feeling that this trilogy was supposed to be a transition point between Ace finally leaving and him beginning to travel alone in the TV Movie era.
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Post by Stevo on Jun 16, 2019 18:37:08 GMT
I really liked this story, in fact I'd go as far to say that An Alien Werewolf in London is the best of this Seventh Doctor run of stories for me. Like any Doctor Who story there's the odd minor niggle here and there (Why have Ace in it?) but overall I did enjoy An Alien Werewolf in London. Whereas I found the previous two stories with Seven and Mags to be fairly dull.
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Post by Max Kashevsky on Jun 16, 2019 23:07:44 GMT
I’m glad it wasn’t just me who noticed the interior change. I thought I was going mad. I didn't notice it! Where was this?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jun 17, 2019 0:30:25 GMT
I’m glad it wasn’t just me who noticed the interior change. I thought I was going mad. I didn't notice it! Where was this? I don’t know exactly when, but the interior sounds are for the tv console room for the first two stories and for about half of this one, but by the last episode it has the TV movie sounds instead.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 17, 2019 8:08:53 GMT
Strange one this, i enjoyed episode's 1 & 2 but episode 3 lost me while episode 4 left me feeling underwhelmed.
Alan Barnes script is tonally all over the place not knowing if it wants to be gothic horror or dark humoured audio drama & not a great story to go out on & the post credit scene at the end with the appalling aussie accents was utterly cringeworthy & pointless.
My Rating. 2/5.
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Post by slithe on Jun 17, 2019 18:57:36 GMT
I didn't notice it! Where was this? I don’t know exactly when, but the interior sounds are for the tv console room for the first two stories and for about half of this one, but by the last episode it has the TV movie sounds instead. Glad it's not just me. It happens in Episode 3 I think when the Doctor talks about 'the lights not being on'. I am really hoping that is not the excuse for the change of console room - it is rather lame if it is. If I'm honest, it is this lack of detail that suggests that the finished product on this one is a splicing (pardon the pun with a gothic horror theme) of two or more plot elements that haven't quite worked (hence the plot hole with the console room). The 'haunted house' theme at the start, gets merged with a twist on vampirism, TV satire/cultural references and media controlling people. These elements have served as stories in their own right numerous times, let alone in a single story. Just lacks polish and direction and, when all is said and done, there isn't much sustaining it all. Pity at this has been a good trilogy thus far and the first episode and a bit aren't too bad either. As I said, I think Barnes had too many ideas here and this needed a redraft or two.
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 18, 2019 7:33:27 GMT
Finished listening to it. I thought it wasn't too bad and I certainly liked it better than Monsters of Gokroth (which was not really my cup of tea at all). I also somehow did not have too much trouble following the story. However, I agree that there was just too much stuffed into this story. There were several great ideas in there that would have worked and stood perfectly on their own. Here, they just take away from each other instead of complementing each other.
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 19, 2019 19:51:52 GMT
I thought that was painful.
A story that tries to be far too clever by throwing a lot into it, none of which are particularly interesting to begin with. The first two parts switch between plots for such long periods of time and does absolutely nothing.
The guest cast aren’t very good at all. Ace is a glorified cameo and sounds and acts like she’s wandered straight off the set of Dragonfire. Pretty much all she does is spout pop culture references. The whole production would’ve been that little bit better if it tried to progress Ace a little further, whether that’s dealing with the aftermath of Gallifrey or pushing her closer to what we hear of her in The Sarah Jane Adventures & Class. I do tend to find Sylvester McCoy inconsistent on audio and my thoughts on his performance tend to match what I think of the story; I didn’t think he was giving it his all in this, sadly. And what was with the long gaps of silence in between some lines of dialogue?
The sound design is great, except it gets quickly repetitive and frustrating; the same beats playing in between each scene.
Jessica Martin is the best thing about the story and the whole trilogy. It’s perhaps not the highest of praise, given I’ve not enjoyed the trilogy, and the character of Mags doesn’t feel like she’s developed much. However, I love The Greatest Show in the Galaxy and I think it’s good she’s returned. It’s a shame that the material hasn’t taken advantage of it; maybe next time.
Unfortunately, for me, it’s the worst instalment of a really lacklustre trilogy, continuing the poor run for the main range this year. Maybe next month, eh?
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Post by slithe on Jun 22, 2019 10:47:03 GMT
I thought that was painful. A story that tries to be far too clever by throwing a lot into it, none of which are particularly interesting to begin with. The first two parts switch between plots for such long periods of time and does absolutely nothing. Unfortunately, for me, it’s the worst instalment of a really lacklustre trilogy, continuing the poor run for the main range this year. Maybe next month, eh? I share these sentiments. This could have been a lot better and it is frustrating that it doesn't end up coming to much - the concept is promising and shows some potential. It is the same problem that has, in my opinion, plagued several of the MR releases though - not enough content to fill 4 episodes, leading to padding and/or unnecessary subplots. I think the decision to revive 2 x 2 parters for some releases is a wise one. McCoy can be *excellent* - I've just re-listened to Night Thoughts and it is amazing and is, arguably, one of the best BF stories. I'd entirely forgotten it and only picked it up again to pass a couple of hours. Similarly, the NA box-set shows McCoy at his best as well. So it confirms to me that it isn't McCoy or even the Seventh Doctor that's the problem - it is the scripting for him. The character is complex and so needs clever writing. I also think McCoy needs to feel engaged with the material, which hasn't always been the case. If he goes with a story, he really goes with it. Am hoping that the next half of the year is better. I applaud BF for taking risks with Kamelion and Mags, but they need to think about the stories as well as the plots. Mags is a decent character, just needs better writing and less 'stock' horror characters in a new trilogy - she's not a 2D character.
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Post by Bazoolium on Jun 26, 2019 9:41:43 GMT
I never realised how fun a character Mags was. She's be great in this trilogy, even if she hasn't been explored all that much.
I enjoyed this story, but there really wasn't enough Vampire Vs Werewolf action.
Like lots of people have said Ace is confusing and BF don't seem too bothered with writing her differently at different ages. I can't really tell if this story is supposed to be set post Hex or Pre Mel from the way she acted. Is Ace 19 or 30
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Post by nottenst on Jun 26, 2019 21:06:14 GMT
I just checked the script and the ending climax at the satellite was just as misleading as I thought it was. The Doctor took Raymond and Rohesia up to the satellite ostensibly to destroy it so that a whole bunch of vampires would not be "activated." What actually happened is that he took them up there to commit suicide so that their descendant vampiric markers would all die. I guess it is more of a 7th Doctor thing, but it is a disappointing way to do it. It seems they just left the satellite working there anyway as there was a subsequent broadcast as heard post-credits, but presumably they did erase the original "now you are vampires" announcement.
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Post by slithe on Jun 28, 2019 18:20:18 GMT
I just checked the script and the ending climax at the satellite was just as misleading as I thought it was. The Doctor took Raymond and Rohesia up to the satellite ostensibly to destroy it so that a whole bunch of vampires would not be "activated." What actually happened is that he took them up there to commit suicide so that their descendant vampiric markers would all die. I guess it is more of a 7th Doctor thing, but it is a disappointing way to do it. It seems they just left the satellite working there anyway as there was a subsequent broadcast as heard post-credits, but presumably they did erase the original "now you are vampires" announcement. Unless this isn't resolved yet... Seventh stories often have loose endings and this plot hole could be one. (Trying to be optimistic about a plot hole!)
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 11, 2019 13:02:04 GMT
Am 3 episodes in, will comment on the overall story once I finish it, but for now what struck me most was the very distinctive incidental music. It reminded me of Something Inside - not so much because the music is similar, but because of the way in which the music is so obtrusive, almost a character in its own right.
Not that I mind as I liked the music in both stories, but I keep thinking of Something Inside as I listen to this
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Castellan

You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 12, 2019 22:00:28 GMT
Finished listening. Reading this thread it seems to be a very marmite release. I enjoyed it a lot. It was very very VNA but in my book that is a good thing.
I do agree with some of the comments above that Ace's presence was unnecessary and it would probably have been stronger without her.
Overall this has been a really good trilogy and Mags has given the seventh dr audios a real shot in the arm. I'm glad she didn't leave at the end of trilogy as I had expected she would. Alan Barnes has gone out on a high.
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Post by slithe on Jul 14, 2019 9:02:01 GMT
Gave this a second listen. I agree with lidar2's comment that this is a 'marmite' release and I wanted to see whether my initial reaction to the story was justified/fair.
On a second listen, I thought the story was better. As I knew the plot, the divergence in the second/third episodes between focusing on Ace/Mags made more sense. The identity of the Sin Eater and the 'faux' Mags also was clearer second time around. Although I still thought it a rather contrived story and I still hold that there are too many plot elements for a single story (less is more methinks) it wasn't an entirely unqualified disaster. I still think Barnes is trying to be a bit too clever - the idea of a 'play within a play', misdirections and fake identities and the role of the media/video nasties is just a little bit too much for me. I would rather they focused on one idea, developed it and stuck with the Holmes/Hincliffe vibe of the first two stories in this trilogy. However, each to their own.
I still think Barnes' location of this in the early 1990s is way, way off and it doesn't fit. I get that the 1990s was more known for satellite TV (and the idea of the pastiche of Murdoch turning us into vampires is a satirical bent), but the other references do not fit. Aussie soap operas in their hay-day were definitely 1980s as were other pop cultural references. Whether this was deliberate or not, is never made clear, but it just didn't make sense. I also couldn't quite visualise Ace as being still like her teenage self in the 1990s (I imagine her more late 1970s/early 1980s than anything else). Her inclusion in the story is also not really necessary either.
Still wish the change of TARDIS interior had been explained too!!
Not entirely awful and better on a second release, but still below par with the other two release. However, on the whole, the trilogy was better than anything we've seen from McCoy in the MR for a long time.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Jul 20, 2019 9:00:01 GMT
Just spotted my review has landed on Cultbox - we've a bit of a lag for some reason. Lots of local temporal colour here in the 1990s and a quirky tale to boot!
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Post by slithe on Aug 31, 2019 8:46:14 GMT
the ********** site would have us think this story scores lower than Nekromanteia. Admittedly a smaller sample of ratings, but even so I don’t think it’s an accurate portrayal of this ambitious story It isn't quite as bad as Nekromanteia, no. Ambitious is a good description of this - needed either pruning some of the sub-plots or an extra episode to let things develop. Also, needed to sort out placement - is it 1980s or 1990s? References imply the former...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 9:36:43 GMT
Well a first listen and am only just into it and am kind of hooked into it little pop culture references and a Post travelling with the Doctor Ace hope it is a fitting finale to the Mags trilogy...here goes. it’s a wet windy cold day outside bit of a storm hitting the coastal regions of Scotland so a day of warmth my fire and leftover meat (that even Mags would salivate at 😂)
and you know the vocal talents are from people who seem not to have been overused or at all in BF releases and a kind of liking the little incidental music pieces and the Doctor has a second house too apart from Baker Street residence
i like these Vampires and Barnes take on them am finding it quite an enjoyable listen
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Post by Ela on May 7, 2021 3:18:45 GMT
Well, this was an interesting release. I didn't enjoy it as well as the previous two Mags story, but I did think the Mags character, at least, was well-acted. That little recurring musical phrase throughout the story did a good job of setting the tone. (I still have it in my head.  )
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