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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 5:35:39 GMT
It’s going to be hard to beat this year but so far I’ve played this so many times am wondering if any other releases this year will knock it off the top spot. At the moment it’s riding high...in the relistens .
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Post by number13 on Feb 3, 2020 9:58:11 GMT
It’s going to be hard to beat this year but so far I’ve played this so many times am wondering if any other releases this year will knock it off the top spot. At the moment it’s riding high...in the relistens . There's always Vol 2... It is outstanding isn't it.
January was a A Vintage Month For Boxsets - River 7 was one of her very best imo, Captain John hilarious and a very good story too (I know, you have a CJH allergy ), splendid Fourth Doctor stories back in E-Space and then this brilliant new entry to finish.
*draws breath, waits for February's BF boxsets 'onslaught' to begin*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 18:38:30 GMT
It’s going to be hard to beat this year but so far I’ve played this so many times am wondering if any other releases this year will knock it off the top spot. At the moment it’s riding high...in the relistens . There's always Vol 2... It is outstanding isn't it.
January was a A Vintage Month For Boxsets - River 7 was one of her very best imo, Captain John hilarious and a very good story too (I know, you have a CJH allergy ), splendid Fourth Doctor stories back in E-Space and then this brilliant new entry to finish.
*draws breath, waits for February's BF boxsets 'onslaught' to begin* I know i have Ravenous Fever for the second set lol Yep and could agree more River 7 was excellent and has also had a few relistens and loved the E space stories too.It makes me kind of wish we had avoided Time War stories as the imagination of the writers seems more fruitful freed of its shackles.
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Post by ythri on Feb 3, 2020 21:33:18 GMT
I've just discovered this forum recently and was interested to see that Guy Adams is posting here.
I was one of the people who have suggested that Adam Adamant would be a good series for BF to try their hands at, so I've been really looking forward to this; it's one of the very few releases that I preordered as soon as it was made available. At this point, I've listened to the first two episodes. I enjoyed the first, it was an interesting take on the origin episode, but I'm not sure the tone was quite what I was looking for in an Adam adamant series. The second, however, got it exactly right. I enjoyed the new take on "Death has a Thousand Faces"; it's source material was recognizable, but there was a lot new to make it more than merely a retread. I'll have to go back and relisten to the first episode now that I can just listen with my mind unburdened with the worry that the reboot wasn't going to work for me. I find that at times my mindset affects how much I enjoy things.
I do, of course, have niggles. Mainly, I feel that Georgina is initially too competent in a sphere were she has no previous experience. I appreciate the desire to make her a partner rather than a sidekick, but maybe a few growing pains might be in order. I expect Adam would need to lean heavily on here in navigating the modern world, but as a writer and researcher, I'd also expect that she'd have a learning curve out in the field.
Overall, however, a very good start, and I'm looking forward to the next four episodes.
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Post by number13 on Feb 4, 2020 13:10:31 GMT
My resolve to spread the eps over a fortnight didn't quite hold...I listened to Death Has a Thousand Faces, episode 2 and I loved it. Just loved it. Again, I've not seen any comments about the similarities and differences to the show on TV. Have that many seen the show at all? If not, I really think you'd be doing yourself a massive favour by getting the boxset (out of print but it does pop up affordably often). This take on Adam is a bit different but if you like it and you like vintage telly of the era (and if you're a classic Who fans like most on here....you are) then you'll love it. Just love it. It's got all the existing eps, a plethora of extras and the scripts for the missing eps. Well worth getting and it's very affordable (quick check on Ebay today showed £25-30 for recent sales so have patience everyone and ignore silly prices!) and that's for 5 DVDs, 17 x 45 min episodes plus the extras. (Produced for DVD by 2Entertain a name which will need no introduction to any classic Who fan.) One tip for anyone getting the DVDs: make sure your copy still has the 'booklet' included. It's no booklet, it's a book! Production notes, synopses, lots more.
It's been OOP for quite a while I think and can't have been in print for long. The release was only about 10 years ago, shows how unusual it is that the classic Who DVDs have all stayed in print, since the early 2000s in some cases. They're the exception, not the rule. I tried to get my hands on the late 1980s BBC Dorothy L.Sayers 'Lord Peter Wimsey' trilogy last year and the prices now are fairly eye-watering - released on DVD in the 2000s, a big-budget flagship drama series of a writer and character with lots of fans and it still went OOP in a few years.
EDIT: AAL was a 2006 release, for the 40th anniversary. So it was more than 10 years ago : Time flies when you're not frozen.
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Post by timegirl on Feb 5, 2020 13:25:57 GMT
Only on the second story so far but can I just say I Blake Ritson’s voice! 😀I had never encountered him before but he’s got one of those voice’s that I could happily just listen to reading the phone book! 😊
Side note: Can Blake Ritson please play the Doctor at some point in the future?!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 14:16:38 GMT
Only on the second story so far but can I just say I Blake Ritson’s voice! 😀I had never encountered him before but he’s got one of those voice’s that I could happily just listen to reading the phone book! 😊 Side note: Can Blake Ritson please play the Doctor at some point in the future?! Look you’re get bored of him or anyone else reading a phone book just imagine him whispering your name every minute of the hour 😉
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Post by timegirl on Feb 5, 2020 14:28:34 GMT
Only on the second story so far but can I just say I Blake Ritson’s voice! 😀I had never encountered him before but he’s got one of those voice’s that I could happily just listen to reading the phone book! 😊 Side note: Can Blake Ritson please play the Doctor at some point in the future?! Look you’re get bored of him or anyone else reading a phone book just imagine him whispering your name every minute of the hour 😉 Oh yes!🥰
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 14:58:45 GMT
Look you’re get bored of him or anyone else reading a phone book just imagine him whispering your name every minute of the hour 😉 Oh yes!🥰 😉
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 15:00:02 GMT
Only on the second story so far but can I just say I Blake Ritson’s voice! 😀I had never encountered him before but he’s got one of those voice’s that I could happily just listen to reading the phone book! 😊 Side note: Can Blake Ritson please play the Doctor at some point in the future?! Funnily enough I always thought Gerald Harper has one of the best voices going and would have been a great Doctor. I guess the Edwardian adventurer just lends itself to being Doctor-ish!
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Post by number13 on Feb 6, 2020 0:59:57 GMT
Only on the second story so far but can I just say I Blake Ritson’s voice! 😀I had never encountered him before but he’s got one of those voice’s that I could happily just listen to reading the phone book! 😊 Side note: Can Blake Ritson please play the Doctor at some point in the future?! Funnily enough I always thought Gerald Harper has one of the best voices going and would have been a great Doctor. I guess the Edwardian adventurer just lends itself to being Doctor-ish!Four years later it did, didn't it! Robert Holmes said he didn't watch much television but don't you think he must have cast an eye over AAL, the start of 'Spearhead' has so many parallels in the 'confused man in hospital' sequences, it's practically a Nestene replica!
And there's never been much doubt about the costume and the Third Doctor's general character, it must have been blatantly obvious to AAL / Who fans watching them just three years apart. If Adam had stayed on air, I'd probably never have had 'my' Doctor as he is - Edwardian gentleman from outer space!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 2:07:17 GMT
Funnily enough I always thought Gerald Harper has one of the best voices going and would have been a great Doctor. I guess the Edwardian adventurer just lends itself to being Doctor-ish!Four years later it did, didn't it! Robert Holmes said he didn't watch much television but don't you think he must have cast an eye over AAL, the start of 'Spearhead' has so many parallels in the 'confused man in hospital' sequences, it's practically a Nestene replica!
And there's never been much doubt about the costume and the Third Doctor's general character, it must have been blatantly obvious to AAL / Who fans watching them just three years apart. If Adam had stayed on air, I'd probably never have had 'my' Doctor as he is - Edwardian gentleman from outer space!
Yes, I was saying much the same to Audio Watchdog on Facebook last week - the parallels are uncanny. Yet it's almost the more surface level things that inspired Pertwee's Doctor. Take them and add them to a LOT of Nigel Kneale influence, to the point he refused a writing gig on the show in S7, and you very much get early Pertwee. Vocally I always thought Gerald's Adam sounded a bit like Anthony Ainley. That slightly higher pitched, upper class RADA accent. Lovely on the ear. Adam may well have stayed on the air longer, perhaps until 1970, but I believe Gerald and Sidney Newman who was then Head of Television Drama at the Beeb did not get on one bit to put it mildly. With the "official" story being it looked cheaper than it's rivals like The Avengers, The Saint and the plethora of ITC shows, it got canned sadly. The BBC ditching a popular show just because of the whims of it's hierarchy? Where have we Who fans heard that before? Newman apparently was no fan of Harper as Adam and I have to say...I don't think he could be more wrong. Dashing, funny, great at the stunt scenes, a handsome lead....Gerald was perfect. Just PERFECT as Adam. He's still going too, thank goodness. Enjoying a nice retirement at the ripe age of 88. BF should give him a call for an alt-universe Adam! If the show can have killer carnations, hundreds of commuters disappearing in a tunnel on-board a train, killer old ladies, magicians trying to conquer the world...it can have alternate Adams. Maybe Gerald can play an Adam who DIDN'T get frozen and is indeed 99 years old. Just imagine! No...let's let him enjoy his retirement. Would be fun though! Of course Juliet Harmer is only 76 by comparison. Let's get her in. Not acting in 32 years....who cares! Maybe she can be one of the sinister grannies if BF do "Death Begins at Seventy" or "The League of Uncharitable Ladies". 29 eps and they found time for not one but two stories about killer old dears!
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Post by mark687 on Feb 6, 2020 15:25:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 15:34:57 GMT
"Their dynamic is unique, being not romantic (befitting the adaptation moving from the 1960s to the 2020s)," Ummm...what? Either the writer thinks this takes place in modern day..or that the relationship of Adam and Georgie was romantic in the 60s show. Neither one being correct.
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Post by number13 on Feb 6, 2020 22:47:50 GMT
Four years later it did, didn't it! Robert Holmes said he didn't watch much television but don't you think he must have cast an eye over AAL, the start of 'Spearhead' has so many parallels in the 'confused man in hospital' sequences, it's practically a Nestene replica!
And there's never been much doubt about the costume and the Third Doctor's general character, it must have been blatantly obvious to AAL / Who fans watching them just three years apart. If Adam had stayed on air, I'd probably never have had 'my' Doctor as he is - Edwardian gentleman from outer space!
Yes, I was saying much the same to Audio Watchdog on Facebook last week - the parallels are uncanny. Yet it's almost the more surface level things that inspired Pertwee's Doctor. Take them and add them to a LOT of Nigel Kneale influence, to the point he refused a writing gig on the show in S7, and you very much get early Pertwee. Vocally I always thought Gerald's Adam sounded a bit like Anthony Ainley. That slightly higher pitched, upper class RADA accent. Lovely on the ear. Adam may well have stayed on the air longer, perhaps until 1970, but I believe Gerald and Sidney Newman who was then Head of Television Drama at the Beeb did not get on one bit to put it mildly. With the "official" story being it looked cheaper than it's rivals like The Avengers, The Saint and the plethora of ITC shows, it got canned sadly. The BBC ditching a popular show just because of the whims of it's hierarchy? Where have we Who fans heard that before? Newman apparently was no fan of Harper as Adam and I have to say...I don't think he could be more wrong. Dashing, funny, great at the stunt scenes, a handsome lead....Gerald was perfect. Just PERFECT as Adam. He's still going too, thank goodness. Enjoying a nice retirement at the ripe age of 88. BF should give him a call for an alt-universe Adam! If the show can have killer carnations, hundreds of commuters disappearing in a tunnel on-board a train, killer old ladies, magicians trying to conquer the world...it can have alternate Adams. Maybe Gerald can play an Adam who DIDN'T get frozen and is indeed 99 years old. Just imagine! No...let's let him enjoy his retirement. Would be fun though! Of course Juliet Harmer is only 76 by comparison. Let's get her in. Not acting in 32 years....who cares! Maybe she can be one of the sinister grannies if BF do "Death Begins at Seventy" or "The League of Uncharitable Ladies". 29 eps and they found time for not one but two stories about killer old dears! After first scheduling it opposite an established ITV show with high ratings...
Totally agree, he is perfect. And now of course you've set me imagining what BF could do with a couple of guest appearances! Though I get the feeling that Guy Adams is going to take us to much darker places than, say, a dodgy geisha house with a sideline in blackmail. I will say no more until I know you've heard 'Georgina Jones Dies!'...
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Post by rran on Feb 7, 2020 5:19:32 GMT
My curiosity led me to check out the excerpt and I must say... it didn't work for me I can't quite pinpoint what it was or why, but I couldn't get along with it. Probably too confusing for my liking. Also, the fact that I have no background of the show left me wondering what was going on. I might give it another try sometime later and see if my mind changes... or probably listen to the something else from my waiting-list
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 7, 2020 5:43:57 GMT
My curiosity led me to check out the excerpt and I must say... it didn't work for me I can't quite pinpoint what it was or why, but I couldn't get along with it. Probably too confusing for my liking. Also, the fact that I have no background of the show left me wondering what was going on. I might give it another try sometime later and see if my mind changes... or probably listen to the something else from my waiting-list I also struggled with the first episode. When it was over I found myself really unsure about wanting to listen to the rest of the set but I'm really glad I did. Both of the other episodes are really different to the first one (and from each other). I was expecting something a bit campy and fun when I listened to the first episode, but you have to wait until the second episode for that to kick in. The tone/feel of episode three is kind of a mix of the first two - you have the wonderful episode two-type dialogue of Adam and Simms (played wonderfully by Blake Ritson and Guy Adams, who both give very powerful performances) and the darker thematic level more akin to the first episode. It's a bit of a mix and match of styles but I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's actually one of the sets many strengths. I'd recommend giving it a go if you've got the time and money. And if you don't like it after that at least your not obligated to get the second set (though I most definitely am )
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Post by rran on Feb 7, 2020 6:38:41 GMT
My curiosity led me to check out the excerpt and I must say... it didn't work for me I can't quite pinpoint what it was or why, but I couldn't get along with it. Probably too confusing for my liking. Also, the fact that I have no background of the show left me wondering what was going on. I might give it another try sometime later and see if my mind changes... or probably listen to the something else from my waiting-list I also struggled with the first episode. When it was over I found myself really unsure about wanting to listen to the rest of the set but I'm really glad I did. Both of the other episodes are really different to the first one (and from each other). I was expecting something a bit campy and fun when I listened to the first episode, but you have to wait until the second episode for that to kick in. The tone/feel of episode three is kind of a mix of the first two - you have the wonderful episode two-type dialogue of Adam and Simms (played wonderfully by Blake Ritson and Guy Adams, who both give very powerful performances) and the darker thematic level more akin to the first episode. It's a bit of a mix and match of styles but I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's actually one of the sets many strengths. I'd recommend giving it a go if you've got the time and money. And if you don't like it after that at least your not obligated to get the second set (though I most definitely am ) Free time, unfortunately, has become an extremely scarce resource, and is inversely proportional to the numerous things I'd like to do in it So maybe, maybe not...
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 7, 2020 12:11:56 GMT
Listened to it this week. “Hmmm” kind of sums up how I feel about it.
I was aware of the original series and had seen the first episode back in the 1990s when it was repeated as a one-off curiosity, but I don’t really remember much about it TBH. Had the DVD still been easily available I would probably have bought and watched it before listening to this. (Who am I kidding? My DVD backlog is even longer than my audio backlog). So instead I went in to this blind.
First off, the good points. I enjoyed it, I don’t regret buying it, and I think Guy Adams has succeeded wonderfully well in what he set out to do. The performances too were excellent, I really liked Ritson’s voice as Adamant and Adams’ voice as Simms.
Now the 3 negatives which, to be honest, are either minor criticisms or unfair criticisms.
The minor criticism is the spoiler for episode 3 that is on the interviews at the end of disc 1. Maybe downloaders get all the interviews at the end so didn’t have this problem, but when the writer talks about how the original series only used Margo in one episode, it is fairly obvious she is going to make a reappearance.
My second criticism is not really a criticism at all. Guy Adams has described this as a cover version that is deliberately different to the original in some ways – and fair play to him and BF for going down that route. I can see the logic for that decision. However, I never saw the original and feel I have missed out somewhat. I was hoping the audio would fill that gap and let me experience what I missed out on – but I don’t feel that it did. Because of the differences to the original it just didn’t quite scratch that particular itch for me. I don’t think one can fully appreciate the cleverness of the cover version if one is not familiar with the original version, so whilst I enjoyed what I listened to I am still left with a feeling of dissatisfaction at the end.
The third criticism, again unfair, is that it was all over too soon. A lot of time has elapsed between episodes 2 and 3, and Adams telescopes it into the pre-titles teaser to episode 3. I would like to have heard a few more run of the mill adventure stories, with a reset button at the end of every episode, and seen the trio’s relationships developing before we got to episode 3. Georgina Joes’ death would have had much more emotional impact on me had that been so. But I realise BF are working to a tight budget and Guy Adams doubtless has a lot of ground he wants to cover and only 6 episodes guaranteed, so it has to be the way it is. Episode 2 was really the only normal run of the mill adventure we got, I would have liked a few more.
So all in all I enjoyed it for what it is, but am left feeling a bit disappointed because of what it isn’t (if that makes sense).
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Post by number13 on Feb 7, 2020 13:14:16 GMT
Four years later it did, didn't it! Robert Holmes said he didn't watch much television but don't you think he must have cast an eye over AAL, the start of 'Spearhead' has so many parallels in the 'confused man in hospital' sequences, it's practically a Nestene replica!
And there's never been much doubt about the costume and the Third Doctor's general character, it must have been blatantly obvious to AAL / Who fans watching them just three years apart. If Adam had stayed on air, I'd probably never have had 'my' Doctor as he is - Edwardian gentleman from outer space!
Yes, I was saying much the same to Audio Watchdog on Facebook last week - the parallels are uncanny. Yet it's almost the more surface level things that inspired Pertwee's Doctor. Take them and add them to a LOT of Nigel Kneale influence, to the point he refused a writing gig on the show in S7, and you very much get early Pertwee. Vocally I always thought Gerald's Adam sounded a bit like Anthony Ainley. That slightly higher pitched, upper class RADA accent. Lovely on the ear. Adam may well have stayed on the air longer, perhaps until 1970, but I believe Gerald and Sidney Newman who was then Head of Television Drama at the Beeb did not get on one bit to put it mildly. With the "official" story being it looked cheaper than it's rivals like The Avengers, The Saint and the plethora of ITC shows, it got canned sadly. The BBC ditching a popular show just because of the whims of it's hierarchy? Where have we Who fans heard that before? Newman apparently was no fan of Harper as Adam and I have to say...I don't think he could be more wrong. Dashing, funny, great at the stunt scenes, a handsome lead....Gerald was perfect. Just PERFECT as Adam. He's still going too, thank goodness. Enjoying a nice retirement at the ripe age of 88. BF should give him a call for an alt-universe Adam! If the show can have killer carnations, hundreds of commuters disappearing in a tunnel on-board a train, killer old ladies, magicians trying to conquer the world...it can have alternate Adams. Maybe Gerald can play an Adam who DIDN'T get frozen and is indeed 99 years old. Just imagine! No...let's let him enjoy his retirement. Would be fun though! Of course Juliet Harmer is only 76 by comparison. Let's get her in. Not acting in 32 years....who cares! Maybe she can be one of the sinister grannies if BF do "Death Begins at Seventy" or "The League of Uncharitable Ladies". 29 eps and they found time for not one but two stories about killer old dears! Another thought - although the carnations aren't killers, strictly speaking (though they might have driven their victims that way with cravings) but... a plan to conquer by using an advertising campaign distributing plastic flowers as the weapon! I've only just made the connection and the daffodils were killers and Robert Holmes has the Doctor specifically rule out gas as their method. That's a big nod to AAL in both his Nestene stories, he must have been a fan.
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