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Post by mark687 on Dec 11, 2019 10:32:33 GMT
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Post by melkur on Dec 11, 2019 13:21:32 GMT
'Just finished part 1 and found it a decent start to the set.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 11, 2019 21:43:03 GMT
Finished the first story.
This was great!
Very good start to the set.
A nice mix of murder mystery, corporate intrigue and world-building.
Liv is showing exactly the attitude I was expecting and her banter with her sister is great.
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Post by project37 on Dec 12, 2019 2:00:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 18:41:10 GMT
Just getting around to it now...I like the opening banter between Liv and Claire (Tula)
And the Hospital interview good stuff
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 19:50:34 GMT
Enjoyable first story reintroducing us to Kaldor society and setting up the progress of artificial intelligence.
the Doctors influence on Liv showing through in her dealings with Kaldor and i did smile at the sitcom set on a sand miner added a very human element to Kaldor living.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 12, 2019 20:26:23 GMT
Enjoyable first story reintroducing us to Kaldor society and setting up the progress of artificial intelligence. the Doctors influence on Liv showing through in her dealings with Kaldor and i did smile at the sitcom set on a sand miner added a very human element to Kaldor living. Yeah, I loved all these little Easter Eggs.  |
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Post by elkawho on Dec 14, 2019 15:49:00 GMT
I enjoyed this set a lot. Not my favorite of the year, but fun and a solid set. I was worried it would be a heavy handed look at society, but it did do that in a really good way. I actually think my favorite story of the set was the second one, The Sentient. A look at how scary knowledge can be without the wisdom to use it wisely. I look at the state of our world right now, politics, social media, "cancel culture, etc and see it reflected there.
I do like the banter between Liv and Tula. We still get the sarcastic wit of Liv, but in a lot of ways she's more at ease here and we even hear her laugh a few times. I do think she can be one-note at times but this set really opens up her personality. And since we are setting up these two characters as the focus of the stories, I'd like to know a little more about Tula. We know all about Liv's life and relationships because we've been following her with the Doctor, but I would like to learn more about Tula's life. It can't just be about work. Who are her friends/loved ones? Is there anyone special? What kind of life does she lead? A lonely one? A fulfilled one? Any baggage regarding the death of their dad? I know this is supposed to be looking at Kaldor society, but adding the little pictures inside the big one always makes it more enjoyable for me.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 15, 2019 22:08:23 GMT
Finished the set.
This was really good. Great start to the series.
I agree with Elkawho that the second story was the best. It was also the story that had the most "action" in its plot.
In general, this set is a nice change of pace and change of scope compared to the usual Doctor Who story and certainly to the usual 8th Doctor adventures which are rather frantic and give hardly any time to breathe.
Yes, Liv gets threatened here, too, but compared what she is used to, this time on Kaldor is basically a meditative holiday.
The stories take their time to offer emotional depth, exploring the characters and their motives and are amazing at world building
There is much smaller scope, it is not the universe that is at stake, but the life and well-being of single individuals (well, apart from the one exception).
And we get some great sibling banter between Liv and Tula, as well as Liv taking BS from no one.
Liv certainly is pretty unimpressed by the kind of villain of this set, and tells Tula how low he ranks on her scale- she certainly gets some pretty good lines.
So, this was good.
Looking forward to more of it.
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Post by jacobz40 on Dec 17, 2019 1:26:02 GMT
Wondering for those who have listened: Will I be okay going into this if I've done all of Liv's stories but haven't seen Robots of Death?
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Post by elkawho on Dec 17, 2019 2:18:07 GMT
Wondering for those who have listened: Will I be okay going into this if I've done all of Liv's stories but haven't seen Robots of Death? Absolutely! There is one comment regarding that story and that is all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 19:47:59 GMT
Well i think Elkawho and Tuigirl summed it up and their assessment.I do agree i love the banter between Tula and Liv and so much enjoyed Helen and Livs girl chats they really kind of make a story knowing Liv leave s Kaldor to rejoin the Doctor and leaves it in an uproar am looking forward to the future sets
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Post by mark687 on Dec 30, 2019 11:19:42 GMT
"Bonus" Prequal Scene
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 7:11:58 GMT
Just finished the first episode. I was on the fence about this series, waiting for reviews. Really glad I got it. I enjoyed its small scale and character-focus. It also sets up a series that explores the tension between robots and humans, the line between artificial intelligence and sentience, etcetera. This is where science-fiction excels — exploring human issues with different/difference-in species standing in so you can avoid stepping on anyone's toes. Very well executed, I agree with the reviews up-thread. Can't wait to start the next two episodes. (Though I did stop to write this.  ) Oh, and the prequel scene? It's a good bridge between Ravenous 2: Escape from Kaldor and this series, but I don't think it would make much sense to someone just following Robots. |
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Post by Digi on Jan 3, 2020 10:00:48 GMT
Took me a bit to get to this too, I only just finished it last night.
Was not at all what I expected, in a very enjoyable way. For a series about, well, robots, I genuinely did not expect such a grounded, human set of stories. Very much looking forward to Vol 2 now.
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Post by drj on Jan 3, 2020 18:58:32 GMT
Just finished the set and very enjoyable it was too! Loved the interaction between the sisters, with some really excellent dialogue and particularly fine sibling snipey comments! Each of the stories was strong too with interesting themes, very well paced and delivered.
I’m off to pre-book set 2 now!
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Post by Who Review on Jan 4, 2020 18:55:59 GMT
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 7, 2020 8:37:54 GMT
Am halfway through the second episode and haven't read the above posts for fear of spoilers.
One thing I will say is that whilst listening to the first episode I kept thinking how much the music sounded like Paternoster Gang and then when I got to the credits at the end, lo and behold, it was by Joe Kraemer. This kind of gives the impression he is a bit of a one trick pony.
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Post by Digi on Jan 7, 2020 11:17:35 GMT
One thing I will say is that whilst listening to the first episode I kept thinking how much the music sounded like Paternoster Gang and then when I got to the credits at the end, lo and behold, it was by Joe Kraemer. This kind of gives the impression he is a bit of a one trick pony. He also did the music for Rose Tyler: Dimension Cannon, Missy, and Transference, if that helps. A bunch of Monthly Range titles, too. |
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 9, 2020 10:50:18 GMT
Have now listened to all 3 Very different to what I expected, but no less enjoyable for being so. If anything, what we got is better than my imagined version. They were all very human stories and very small scale. I was expecting a conspiracy thriller, based around "The Company", although we have seen lot of stories like that before. Now I suspect it might still head in that direction, but for now it was a refreshing subversion of my expectations. It is also not as serialised than I expected, although that again is something I suspect might change as we go on. Story 1 was a good intro and got it off to a good start. Series 2 was an exciting thriller, which touched on very contemporary themes about how young people can become radicalised. Episode 3 was the one that relly subverted my expectations as it ended up
being a very human story about grief and an old fashioned love triangle rather than the evil company conspiracy thriller I was expecting
So overall a very good set. A couple of niggly points, and they are minor niggles only, the overall was excellent: - We keep hearing about Liv and Tula's Dad, they visit his grave etc. and his dearth clearly had a big impact on them. Why is their mother never mentioned? If she is dead, did her death not really affect them? And if she is alive, are the daughters estranged from their mother or else why is Liv not visiting her? - I'm not sure how faithful it is to the portrayal of Kaldor in the TV story. It's a few years since I watched it last, so apologies if I am misremembering in anything that follows. The Founding Families were a clearly a VERY BIG DEAL in Kaldor society in the TV story, yet here they barely get a mention. Also, I got the impression from the TV show that The Company was primarily a mining company and not even necessarily a robotics company. Yet here it is very much a robotics company (although it had diversified into private hospitals) and mining is not mentioned. Given how lucrative mining seemed to be and how involved the founding families who sit at the top of the social structure are, I would have thought that mining was more important to Kaldor's economy than robotics. - As I posted above Joe Kramer's music is way too similar to what he did for Paternoster. I don't normally pay that much attention to the music so if I noticed then it must have been bad. I'm surprised David Richardson and Ken Bently, who produced and directed both ranges, didn't reject it as too similar and ask him to come up with something else. |
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