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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 21:29:34 GMT
Soooooo, when's box 4 coming out?... According to the news item it'll be one year from now.
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lidar2
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 21, 2020 10:00:10 GMT
Soooooo, when's box 4 coming out?... According to the news item it'll be one year from now. It doesn't feel like a year since I was listening to Time War 2 - that's frightening, I must be getting old
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 21, 2020 20:23:56 GMT
According to the news item it'll be one year from now. It doesn't feel like a year since I was listening to Time War 2 - that's frightening, I must be getting old Yeah, join the club....
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Post by Hieronymus on Feb 22, 2020 6:07:23 GMT
I've just listened to 3.1 Hostiles.
It's atmospheric, and holds interest. It does feel as though the regular cast are witnesses to event rather than participants, but the story ties into the range and the ongoing storyline well. The sound design and editing are excellent.
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 22, 2020 11:18:28 GMT
I've just listened to 3.1 Hostiles.
It's atmospheric, and holds interest. It does feel as though the regular cast are witnesses to event rather than participants, but the story ties into the range and the ongoing storyline well. The sound design and editing are excellent.
I really liked the concept behind this story, but feel the small scale of being only one disk with a minimal cast wasn’t enough to do it justice. I agree that Romana and Narvin were just passing through, but it did feel like they were passing through the Time War. It came as a surprise when I heard that Mark Elstob was the monster. I knew he was in this set but I didn’t recognise his voice. As I have convinced myself that Romana will be regenerating soon I have my ear out for her possible “replacement”, let’s face it Romana has previous form of stealing the look of characters she encounters. On the basis of this release Leah Harvey would be a nice choice.
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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 22, 2020 13:30:22 GMT
Halfway through this and really enjoying it. Very worthwhile, although thus far it does seem to be a bit of diversion instead of maybe things heating up with Rassilon as I'd hoped. The quality of writing is remarkable though, as thoughtful as the very best of this range. As I have convinced myself that Romana will be regenerating soon... Nooooooooooooo!
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Post by Digi on Feb 22, 2020 14:52:13 GMT
Only been through the first two episodes so far, but I'm really digging it. At first, the much smaller cast came across to me as a bit of a 'culture shock' (so to speak) -- I'm so accustomed to Gallifrey stories having an expansive cast of characters both regular and recurring that the change to 'Romana and Narvin plus guest' required a bit of mental adjustment on my part. It works quite well though, and I'm actually finding that this set really rather puts me in mind of the Eighth Doctor Time War sets in that the storytelling structure is so similar to those sets' 'Doctor + companion finds some horrible timey-wimey issue caused by the War.' Except here, likely because it doesn't actually carry the title of Doctor Who, the set seems to have a bit of a freer hand in telling stories that are particularly grim. Doctor Who does this once in a while too, but as the exception rather than the rule; meanwhile Gallifrey (particularly in this set) really evokes a (not so) nice feeling of a universe just barely hanging by its fingertips, and with increasing frequency, truly awful things are happening to people who absolutely don't deserve it. Very much looking forward to episodes 3 and 4, and then it'll be agony waiting for Vol 4
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 22, 2020 15:19:18 GMT
{Spoiler} With the hints about Narvin and the Chameleon arch, I have to say I’m now hoping that his fate at the end of Volume 4 is to go into hiding as a human on Earth in the year 2006, where he gets a job as a policeman.
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 22, 2020 16:52:12 GMT
Have added a poll for those who have listened. Looking forward to getting round to hearing the stories!
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Post by sherlock on Feb 22, 2020 19:50:36 GMT
Halfway through, an interesting set so far. Very different to the norm for Gallifrey, small scale stories with tiny casts. It’s effective change of direction, and does really convey how the Time War has broken the universe.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 22, 2020 23:25:44 GMT
Mother Tongue and Unity were decent all in all. I don’t this set was quite up to the highs of past two volumes, but a worthwhile change of direction nonetheless. Well, the ending. {Spoiler} So, is Romana definitively dead then? Quite a quiet end for the character if so, and I kinda wish the previous stories had built up a little more to her final decisions.
Volume 4 will be interesting; Narvin and Leela plus a new human companion (well he left with them and I assume they’re not going to dump him at first opportunity).
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Post by chronotis on Feb 23, 2020 5:26:13 GMT
Mother Tongue and Unity were decent all in all. I don’t this set was quite up to the highs of past two volumes, but a worthwhile change of direction nonetheless. Well, the ending. {Spoiler} So, is Romana definitively dead then? Quite a quiet end for the character if so, and I kinda wish the previous stories had built up a little more to her final decisions.
Volume 4 will be interesting; Narvin and Leela plus a new human companion (well he left with them and I assume they’re not going to dump him at first opportunity). Re: the ending.
{Spoiler} Much like Avon at the end of Series 4 of B7, I don't think she is dead.
I doubt this is the last we'll see of Romana, though given Lalla is moving to Hong Kong, it may be quite a few years before she pops up again.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 26, 2020 5:04:04 GMT
Finished this yesterday. It was a pretty good collection of Time War stories, but I don't think it was necessarily a good collection of Gallifrey stories. I know they're not on Gallifrey any more and no longer involved in all the political machinations going on there, but the political machinations where kind of the structural bones of the series to me. These concepts for these episodes could easily have been swapped into the ongoing Eighth Doctor: Time War or The War Master series' and I wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but here in the Gallifrey series they felt so... random, for want of a better term, that I didn't find myself engaging with them as much as I would any other Gallifrey release.
Something I'm noticing a bit with the Time War releases is that they're starting to focus more on conceptually interesting ideas rather than the people or places. I know that Mother Tongue was very much a character piece for Leela but it didn't really feel like we were doing anything new with her. I can't remember what story or stories may have been similar in the past, but the whole episode felt like we were retreading pretty well-trodden ground already (or maybe I've just assumed a lot of this stuff based on what we've been told and I can't tell the difference; given the quantity of Big Finish I've listen to in the last five years it gets hard to tell what's real and what isn't). Unity was also a bit more character focused too, but I think I've heard a couple too many releases recently where our leads are at loggerheads (the general disagreements/arguments in the new Fourth Doctor Adventures, Danny and Twelve in The Twelfth Doctor Chronicles, Martha and Gwen in Dissected) that I just wasn't interested in the differences between Romana and Leela in this, especially since we knew that they'd ultimately be on reasonable terms by the end (because that's how stories generally work; if the conclusion had been different that would at least have had a new spin on things).
Speaking of the end, that was easily the best moment of the set for me. It was a genuine eyebrow-raising moment. It's going to be interesting wait for details on the fourth set, that's for sure. I'm just hoping that we might go back to Gallifrey for an episode of two of it, as I do think this volume suffered for not being what we're used to in Gallifrey releases. I'm sure it was a nice shake-up for some but it just didn't really work for me.
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Post by number13 on Feb 26, 2020 11:50:11 GMT
Finished this yesterday. It was a pretty good collection of Time War stories, but I don't think it was necessarily a good collection of Gallifrey stories. I know they're not on Gallifrey any more and no longer involved in all the political machinations going on there, but the political machinations where kind of the structural bones of the series to me. These concepts for these episodes could easily have been swapped into the ongoing Eighth Doctor: Time War or The War Master series' and I wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but here in the Gallifrey series they felt so... random, for want of a better term, that I didn't find myself engaging with them as much as I would any other Gallifrey release. Something I'm noticing a bit with the Time War releases is that they're starting to focus more on conceptually interesting ideas rather than the people or places. I know that Mother Tongue was very much a character piece for Leela but it didn't really feel like we were doing anything new with her. I can't remember what story or stories may have been similar in the past, but the whole episode felt like we were retreading pretty well-trodden ground already (or maybe I've just assumed a lot of this stuff based on what we've been told and I can't tell the difference; given the quantity of Big Finish I've listen to in the last five years it gets hard to tell what's real and what isn't). Unity was also a bit more character focused too, but I think I've heard a couple too many releases recently where our leads are at loggerheads (the general disagreements/arguments in the new Fourth Doctor Adventures, Danny and Twelve in The Twelfth Doctor Chronicles, Martha and Gwen in Dissected) that I just wasn't interested in the differences between Romana and Leela in this, especially since we knew that they'd ultimately be on reasonable terms by the end (because that's how stories generally work; if the conclusion had been different that would at least have had a new spin on things). Speaking of the end, that was easily the best moment of the set for me. It was a genuine eyebrow-raising moment. It's going to be interesting wait for details on the fourth set, that's for sure. I'm just hoping that we might go back to Gallifrey for an episode of two of it, as I do think this volume suffered for not being what we're used to in Gallifrey releases. I'm sure it was a nice shake-up for some but it just didn't really work for me. I have a lot of Gallifrey catching-up to do, but from a look at my Gallifrey set (which is complete if mostly unheard, oh BF I am helpless before the might of your sales and offers! ) I think they did this before during the pre-Time War run? That is, after the early series (which is where I was before the Time War sets started and I will restart after it 'ends') the Gallifrey sets took some big side-steps away from Capitol politics? And this Vol 3 was doing the same. It was very different from Vols 1 & 2 and I enjoyed it. I liked its sense of openness in the wide Universe beyond the halls of power, but I also hope *'they' will be back home for Vol 4 though I'm not sure if this or any of the other Time War-based series can end with a 'win'. Perhaps the idea that there will be some super-set which brings all the strands together is the right one. I think I'd like that, but ultimately it all has to end with the War Doctor doesn't it and we know what happened there. And we know the War Master will be back - so maybe the Time War series are the sets that never can end... BF did you think of that before you hooked us...?
*Whoever 'they' are in Vol 4. The ending was very surprising for sure, but I also thought {Spoiler} Blake's 7! It's an ending which isn't really an ending and leaves every door open. And how many times before have we had 'Dalek points gun at Doctor or Companion, ' Exterminate', credits roll'?! (Back next Saturday just the same.)
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 26, 2020 12:01:54 GMT
Finished this yesterday. It was a pretty good collection of Time War stories, but I don't think it was necessarily a good collection of Gallifrey stories. I know they're not on Gallifrey any more and no longer involved in all the political machinations going on there, but the political machinations where kind of the structural bones of the series to me. These concepts for these episodes could easily have been swapped into the ongoing Eighth Doctor: Time War or The War Master series' and I wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but here in the Gallifrey series they felt so... random, for want of a better term, that I didn't find myself engaging with them as much as I would any other Gallifrey release. Something I'm noticing a bit with the Time War releases is that they're starting to focus more on conceptually interesting ideas rather than the people or places. I know that Mother Tongue was very much a character piece for Leela but it didn't really feel like we were doing anything new with her. I can't remember what story or stories may have been similar in the past, but the whole episode felt like we were retreading pretty well-trodden ground already (or maybe I've just assumed a lot of this stuff based on what we've been told and I can't tell the difference; given the quantity of Big Finish I've listen to in the last five years it gets hard to tell what's real and what isn't). Unity was also a bit more character focused too, but I think I've heard a couple too many releases recently where our leads are at loggerheads (the general disagreements/arguments in the new Fourth Doctor Adventures, Danny and Twelve in The Twelfth Doctor Chronicles, Martha and Gwen in Dissected) that I just wasn't interested in the differences between Romana and Leela in this, especially since we knew that they'd ultimately be on reasonable terms by the end (because that's how stories generally work; if the conclusion had been different that would at least have had a new spin on things). Speaking of the end, that was easily the best moment of the set for me. It was a genuine eyebrow-raising moment. It's going to be interesting wait for details on the fourth set, that's for sure. I'm just hoping that we might go back to Gallifrey for an episode of two of it, as I do think this volume suffered for not being what we're used to in Gallifrey releases. I'm sure it was a nice shake-up for some but it just didn't really work for me. I have a lot of Gallifrey catching-up to do, but from a look at my Gallifrey set (which is complete if mostly unheard, oh BF I am helpless before the might of your sales and offers! ) I think they did this before during the pre-Time War run? That is, after the early series (which is where I was before the Time War sets started and I will restart after it 'ends') the Gallifrey sets took some big side-steps away from Capitol politics? And this Vol 3 was doing the same. It was very different from Vols 1 & 2 and I enjoyed it. I liked its sense of openness in the wide Universe beyond the halls of power, but I also hope *'they' will be back home for Vol 4 though I'm not sure if this or any of the other Time War-based series can end with a 'win'. Perhaps the idea that there will be some super-set which brings all the strands together is the right one. I think I'd like that, but ultimately it all has to end with the War Doctor doesn't it and we know what happened there. And we know the War Master will be back - so maybe the Time War series are the sets that never can end... BF did you think of that before you hooked us...?
*Whoever 'they' are in Vol 4. The ending was very surprising for sure, but I also thought {Spoiler} Blake's 7! It's an ending which isn't really an ending and leaves every door open. And how many times before have we had 'Dalek points gun at Doctor or Companion, ' Exterminate', credits roll'?! (Back next Saturday just the same.) Even Series 4 (which is the one I assume you're referring to as being different) had its roots tied into what was going on back on Gallifrey though. The driving force of the narrative was still to do with what was going on back home/what could be done to improve their situation (I'm being vague as saying more is probably spoiler territory for someone who hasn't heard it yet). This set was purely about the characters of Romana, Narvin, and Leela, and that isn't the same thing (for me at least, I'm sure the characters are what makes the series for others). And like I said, the plots could easily have been used for any other Time War release so it's not as though this "different" set was particularly noteworthy in its storytelling, it was just more of the same but with different characters in a situation that didn't really fit the series they are in. We needn't see the wider universe through Gallifrey as we have other ranges designed just for that - The Eighth Doctor: The Time War, The War Master, even Susan's War and the couple of Short Trips a few years ago. Gallifrey being about Gallifrey was always the draw for me, so this felt like a weird sidestep that interrupted what will hopefully be the return to form in Volume 4. As for the ending, I completely agree with the similarities. It will be interesting to see if they stick to their guns on this one, but I get the sneaky feeling that it'll probably be fine in the end (why do this in Volume 3 if you've still got to keep high stakes in Volume 4?)
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Post by IndieMacUser on Feb 26, 2020 21:09:25 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 29, 2020 8:57:20 GMT
Just finished listening to Hostiles. I enjoyed it, but agree with others that it was a bit of a shock to the system compared to the regular Gallifrey releases, or even the previous two Time War instalments. Once adjusted, I liked that it was Romana & Narvin being witnessed to events and seeing the impact of the Time War outside of Gallifrey.
If it wasn’t for a slight tie in to the previous set, I would say it could’ve easily been an unused story from the Eighth Doctor Time War strand. It’s fine as a brief change of pace for Gallifrey, much like the War Master story from the first set, but I am hoping it’s not the template for the remainder of the set. Maybe it’s because I’m not the biggest fan of the Eighth Doctor Time War sets and I’m keen to let each Time War strand be unique.
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 29, 2020 9:31:06 GMT
Finished the set last night. Excellent stuff all round. I enjoyed the Romana and Narvik 'on the run' idea and it was a nice hang from all the political machinations we usually expect from Gallifrey, which I'm sure will be back in the next set.
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 29, 2020 21:40:04 GMT
Nevernor was another good ‘un. Suitably high concept and grim for the Time War, with Romana & Narvin beginning to realise the horrors the Time War has unleashed upon the universe. The central arc of finding Leela is strong here, and maintains the link to Gallifrey.
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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 29, 2020 22:44:31 GMT
Still only halfway through this but I've decided that the content of the stories here is by far best judged as what it was intended to be, rather than as what I was hoping for.
For that, I'm that one person who rated the first story a 5, lol (4.6 rounded up, not saying it was absolutely perfect in every possible way) :-)
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