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Post by shallacatop on Mar 1, 2020 9:44:32 GMT
I think Whovitt put down my thoughts on Mother Tongue better than I could: we’ve heard it all before. In the Fourth Doctor Adventures. In the Companion Chronicles. In the War Doctor. It just felt a bit throwaway as a result and doesn’t help with the Leela fatigue I sometimes get. Not a bad story by any means, but I’ve heard it as many times as Leela has lived it, which is too many!
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 4, 2020 23:17:32 GMT
Unity is fine. It doesn’t really feel like it does a great deal and I wasn’t particularly interested in the guest characters. The fallout between Leela and Romana seemed strange and didn’t go anywhere before they inevitably made up. The Daleks make a glorified cameo, much like they do in the Eighth Doctor run. The final 10 minutes or so is what elevated the story; some great material for our three leads and a cracking cliffhanger.
Overall, it’s an odd set. I thought the first two stories were the best and they work as little offshoots to the core of Gallifrey. I can’t say I loved the whole set being away from Gallifrey and it all seemed to meander a bit, as though they’d had the idea to do a couple of stories away from the planet and also had the cliffhanger planned out, but needed some material to get to that point. For me, the appeal of Gallifrey is the political machinations and the ensemble cast, albeit to a lesser degree. We lost the ensemble in the first Time War set, but the second was very much rooted in the politics, so got away with it. To have a third set where they only come together in the last one and away from Gallifrey doesn’t really appeal to me, I’m afraid.
I’m sure they’ll make their way back for the last set and resolve the cliffhanger in a clever and exciting way.
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 7, 2020 11:42:25 GMT
Well I have been brooding on this set for a while.
Gallifrey always does this to me, I feel like I always feel unsatisfied by the Gallifrey releases, but I keep coming back for more.
As others have said all of these stories could have worked, with minimal changes, in lots of ranges and perhaps better. That is not a criticism that can usually be levelled at Gallifrey.
But my biggest issue was Romana’s motivations at the end.
!!! SPOILERS !!!
What made her want to run away!? That just seems so out of character. She had spent the boxset “looking for Leela” and then once she had her back she decided she would leave! I was listening, as I do the majority of my listening, in the car and the final story still have eight minutes to go when I arrived home and I was feeling really annoyed with the concept of Romana taking the cowardly route of the Chameleon Arch. But I consoled myself that would be a red herring and indeed it was. So I was pleased about that, but why then abandon yourself on a planet with the Daleks on their way who are expecting you!? What did she think would happen and why would the others let her do something so suicidal?
!!! SPECULATION !!!
Could Romana have a plan? She has been in secret contact with the Emperor Dalek in the past, so could she have arranged to meet a rogue element of the Daleks with the hope of ending the War. The lead Daleks we hear at the end who order Roman’s extermination are not part of that rogue element and it is them that are fired upon and exterminated, not Romana. I can hear Lalla saying... “Well you left that rather late!” Currently it is the only way I can make sense out of it.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 8, 2020 17:03:24 GMT
Overall I enjoyed it. It aas a good set of 4 sci stories set in the Time War featuring characters we know and love, but .... it wasn't BF's Gallifrey series. As others have said Gallifrey's usp is the politics and this series doesn't have any.
Only other real criticism is Romana's death wish in the last 10 minutes came out of nowhere and seemed like a lazy plot device to make the climax nore dramatic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 17:19:21 GMT
I want to,listen to these on CDS which finally I can pick up from Post Office Depot tomorrow,finally and see how it progresses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 11:21:16 GMT
two stories in and Nevernor by Lou Morgan
a very atmospheric tale and Lalla Ward at her best I have heard so far a genuinely atmospheric tale and the guest cast really are superb.Loving it.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 14, 2020 12:04:51 GMT
Is it just me or is this turning into the DU? Some fascinating stories but, you know, enough already?
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Post by xlozdob on Mar 16, 2020 0:12:06 GMT
I haven't listened to these yet (I'm really behind with the Gallifrey audios), but from I've been able to gather from the thread, while these stories sound interesting and a couple of them sprinkled across the 4 boxsets would be cool, it really makes you wonder, with the really rather interesting set up for Gallifrey during the Time War that we've seen in the New Series and the War Doctor range (and the 8th Doctor The Time War, for that matter), why are they not using it for the Gallifrey range. It seems that they treat this range like something separate and they go to really weird lengths to keep it that way (like in S4 and the 8DAs, or Enemy Lines and Intervention Earth). To a degree, I understand it's made that way so that Gallifrey isn't needed material to follow other ranges. But when they could do it the other way round, and bring in elements from the wider Whoniverse into the range, they just don't. I wouldn't mind losing Leela for good, for example, if it meant we get Ohila/Karn, the General, some form of Ollistra, Susan, Veklin or Rasmus instead, and shake the roster up a bit.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 16, 2020 0:26:41 GMT
I haven't listened to these yet (I'm really behind with the Gallifrey audios), but from I've been able to gather from the thread, while these stories sound interesting and a couple of them sprinkled across the 4 boxsets would be cool, it really makes you wonder, with the really rather interesting set up for Gallifrey during the Time War that we've seen in the New Series and the War Doctor range (and the 8th Doctor The Time War, for that matter), why are they not using it for the Gallifrey range. It seems that they treat this range like something separate and they go to really weird lengths to keep it that way (like in S4 and the 8DAs, or Enemy Lines and Intervention Earth). To a degree, I understand it's made that way so that Gallifrey isn't needed material to follow other ranges. But when they could do it the other way round, and bring in elements from the wider Whoniverse into the range, they just don't. I wouldn't mind losing Leela for good, for example, if it meant we get Ohila/Karn, the General, some form of Ollistra, Susan, Veklin or Rasmus instead, and shake the roster up a bit. Frankly you could lose Romana as well, IMO. Narvin is the key to Gallifrey. WOOO NARVIN!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 17:54:55 GMT
Two weeks have passed to get to the final episode. And here goes...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 5:27:12 GMT
Am at a loss now to comment I listened to it and I cannot even remember how it ended lol.Infact I cannot remember very much about it at all (tiredness) I do remember one thing Narvin and Romana find Leela and don’t know it’s Leela as her voice is muffled and synthesised yes,as if as If any BF listener knows ....Louise Jameson’s voice is the same muffled synthesised or not in whatever range she happens to find herself in.😂😂😂😂
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Post by tuigirl on May 3, 2020 18:57:22 GMT
I really enjoyed this. I just finished this today. Basically sat down, did some painting while listening and powered through the whole set. A nice collection of stories, running with the concept of timey-whimey horror. The first two, Hostiles and Nevernor, were definitely my favorites. I like that these are near stand-alone stories, following Romana and Narvin in Exile trying to track down Leela. There is no Gallifrey politicking or intrigue or infighting, which is a bonus in my book. And it makes for a nice change of pace, this was basically going for the complete opposite- from galactic stakes down to the small scale. Although I did miss Rassilon. He simply was amazing in the previous set. And while the stories might remind me of the stories the Doctor gets involved with, it is quite clear that these Timelords have a different set of morals and do not shy away from using tougher means. And what an amazing cliffhanger at the end! Do we have a release date yet for the next one?
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Post by mbt66 on May 3, 2020 20:45:57 GMT
I really enjoyed this. I just finished this today. Basically sat down, did some painting while listening and powered through the whole set. A nice collection of stories, running with the concept of timey-whimey horror. The first two, Hostiles and Nevernor, were definitely my favorites. I like that these are near stand-alone stories, following Romana and Narvin in Exile trying to track down Leela. There is no Gallifrey politicking or intrigue or infighting, which is a bonus in my book. And it makes for a nice change of pace, this was basically going for the complete opposite- from galactic stakes down to the small scale. Although I did miss Rassilon. He simply was amazing in the previous set. And while the stories might remind me of the stories the Doctor gets involved with, it is quite clear that these Timelords have a different set of morals and do not shy away from using tougher means. And what an amazing cliffhanger at the end! Do we have a release date yet for the next one? When this was released on the news page it stated that volume 4 was due for release in February 2021, so it is strange that it says TBA on the website.
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Post by tuigirl on May 3, 2020 21:02:36 GMT
I really enjoyed this. I just finished this today. Basically sat down, did some painting while listening and powered through the whole set. A nice collection of stories, running with the concept of timey-whimey horror. The first two, Hostiles and Nevernor, were definitely my favorites. I like that these are near stand-alone stories, following Romana and Narvin in Exile trying to track down Leela. There is no Gallifrey politicking or intrigue or infighting, which is a bonus in my book. And it makes for a nice change of pace, this was basically going for the complete opposite- from galactic stakes down to the small scale. Although I did miss Rassilon. He simply was amazing in the previous set. And while the stories might remind me of the stories the Doctor gets involved with, it is quite clear that these Timelords have a different set of morals and do not shy away from using tougher means. And what an amazing cliffhanger at the end! Do we have a release date yet for the next one? When this was released on the news page it stated that volume 4 was due for release in February 2021, so it is strange that it says TBA on the website. That is what I was wondering. Maybe COVID related.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 13:00:56 GMT
It was recorded a long while before lockdown, so I wouldn't worry.
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Post by mbt66 on May 11, 2020 11:32:00 GMT
It was recorded a long while before lockdown, so I wouldn't worry. So the TBA could be a good sign - Big Finish might decide to bring this forward if it is already recorded!? I guess the main issue with doing that is if the Eighth Doctor: Time War 4 has any bearing on it, so they cannot release Gallifrey TW4 before that release. And as Eighth Doctor TW4 is due out in September, which is when another Time War (Time Lord Victorious) is due to commence, that might not be practical.
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Post by pawntake on May 11, 2020 13:54:38 GMT
Is it just me or is this turning into the DU? Some fascinating stories but, you know, enough already? I can only agree!!Good stories one and all,but off on a tangent or what!!!!? Lets throw in a little cliffhanger at the end(to keep the listeners attention) But before that lets circumnavigate the galaxy,we know the ending but we need a little padding.Apart from the cliffhanger, what in tarnation!!!! did any of that have to do with the previous boxsets?But i think i have guessed the ending,Narvin leaves Galifrey and becomes a Chicken Farmer!
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Post by nottenst on Jun 10, 2020 15:05:38 GMT
Just finished the set. Haven't listened to the behind the scenes yet. I do have trouble with understanding Romana's actions at the end.
One big question with this set. Does anyone know where The War Doctor - Casualties of War - The Lady of Obsidian by Andrew Smith lands in Leela's story? I had originally thought it might have been the next story after The Master abandoned her in the Vortex, but now I have no real idea.
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Post by Digi on Jun 10, 2020 15:19:54 GMT
Just finished the set. Haven't listened to the behind the scenes yet. I do have trouble with understanding Romana's actions at the end. One big question with this set. Does anyone know where The War Doctor - Casualties of War - The Lady of Obsidian by Andrew Smith lands in Leela's story? I had originally thought it might have been the next story after The Master abandoned her in the Vortex, but now I have no real idea. My own take on that is Leela in Lady of Obsidian doesn't happen until much, much later.
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Post by nottenst on Jun 10, 2020 15:54:17 GMT
Listening to the Behind the Scenes. Louise had a good laugh at the fate of Romana since Leela has seemingly been written out many times before.
The final track is from the sound designer. A lot of interesting details there.
I just sent an email in to them thanking the sound designer, Russell McGee, for his fascinating Behind the Scenes segment. (Sent to both enquiries and podcast. No idea which one might be best. Sometimes the podcast one is a black hole.)
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