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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 26, 2019 9:41:10 GMT
I really do wonder why on earth anyone in their right mind would open a twitter account and start posting. Especially anyone with any kind of public profile - sooner or later, whether accidentally or on purpose, they will end up saying something that will offend someone or some group somewhere and then they end up in the same kind of mess that Dreyfus has got himself into and Danny Baker a countless others have got themselves into.
Seriously, a twitter account is an accident waiting to happen. Why would anyone want one?
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Post by Digi on Jul 26, 2019 9:52:31 GMT
I really do wonder why on earth anyone in their right mind would open a twitter account and start posting. Especially anyone with any kind of public profile - sooner or later, whether accidentally or on purpose, they will end up saying something that will offend someone or some group somewhere and then they end up in the same kind of mess that Dreyfus has got himself into and Danny Baker a countless others have got themselves into. Seriously, a twitter account is an accident waiting to happen. Why would anyone want one? I've had an account for ten years without incident. It's really not hard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 9:53:09 GMT
I really do wonder why on earth anyone in their right mind would open a twitter account and start posting. Especially anyone with any kind of public profile - sooner or later, whether accidentally or on purpose, they will end up saying something that will offend someone or some group somewhere and then they end up in the same kind of mess that Dreyfus has got himself into and Danny Baker a countless others have got themselves into. Seriously, a twitter account is an accident waiting to happen. Why would anyone want one? Yeah, it's honestly something that personally I looked at a long time ago and actively decided against having. At the end of the day, Twitter is digital ticker tape. It's useful for making announcements, sharing curios and promoting various items, but I genuinely don't see it as a solid means of talking to one another, I really don't. Case in point, with only 280 characters I'd have to stop this post at the word "as", just a sentence back. Social media is always a bit hairy, but at least on other platforms you have the freedom to write up a complete thought without having to turn it into a soundbite.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 11:20:43 GMT
I really do wonder why on earth anyone in their right mind would open a twitter account and start posting. Especially anyone with any kind of public profile - sooner or later, whether accidentally or on purpose, they will end up saying something that will offend someone or some group somewhere and then they end up in the same kind of mess that Dreyfus has got himself into and Danny Baker a countless others have got themselves into. Seriously, a twitter account is an accident waiting to happen. Why would anyone want one? An accident waiting to happen? What these people have said is an accident? Sorry but they are responsible for their views. Don't blame the medium.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 11:36:15 GMT
I really do wonder why on earth anyone in their right mind would open a twitter account and start posting. Especially anyone with any kind of public profile - sooner or later, whether accidentally or on purpose, they will end up saying something that will offend someone or some group somewhere and then they end up in the same kind of mess that Dreyfus has got himself into and Danny Baker a countless others have got themselves into. Seriously, a twitter account is an accident waiting to happen. Why would anyone want one? An accident waiting to happen? What these people have said is an accident? Sorry but they are responsible for their views. Don't blame the medium. Well, he did say "accidentally or on purpose".
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Post by Digi on Jul 26, 2019 11:47:11 GMT
I'm firmly with JHD on this one - it's not the medium, it's the person. Bonus points: Literally every anti-Twitter argument made in this thread is equally applicable to everyone's account on this forum, but I don't see anyone here rushing to delete their account.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 11:53:53 GMT
I'm firmly with JHD on this one - it's not the medium, it's the person. Bonus points: Literally every anti-Twitter argument made in this thread is equally applicable to everyone's account on this forum, but I don't see anyone here rushing to delete their account. Okay. You can have your opinion, that's only fair. Can we voice misgivings and have ours as well?
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 26, 2019 11:54:37 GMT
I really do wonder why on earth anyone in their right mind would open a twitter account and start posting. Especially anyone with any kind of public profile - sooner or later, whether accidentally or on purpose, they will end up saying something that will offend someone or some group somewhere and then they end up in the same kind of mess that Dreyfus has got himself into and Danny Baker a countless others have got themselves into. Seriously, a twitter account is an accident waiting to happen. Why would anyone want one? An accident waiting to happen? What these people have said is an accident? Sorry but they are responsible for their views. Don't blame the medium. Apologies for any misunderstanding. I was making a general point about twitter and the way public figures can sometimes land themselves in hot water on it.
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Post by stcoop on Jul 26, 2019 13:03:31 GMT
Very surprised about this, James Dreyfus is a gay man & must surely have experienced homophobia at some point in his life so his bigotry views on Transgender is quite shocking. I think I said it before in the Gareth Robert's thread but the most transphobic people I've met have all been gay men or more radical feminists. (Though I'm sure that's at least in part because I don't hang around with a lot of right-wingers.) Some people seem to have a martyr complex about being discriminated against and don't like the idea of other people siphoning off some of that attention on themselves. As a member of that most discriminated against class, the heterosexual white man*, I don't understand it. *Before anyone jumps in, no I'm not serious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 14:16:10 GMT
Very surprised about this, James Dreyfus is a gay man & must surely have experienced homophobia at some point in his life so his bigotry views on Transgender is quite shocking. I think I said it before in the Gareth Robert's thread but the most transphobic people I've met have all been gay men or more radical feminists. (Though I'm sure that's at least in part because I don't hang around with a lot of right-wingers.) Some people seem to have a martyr complex about being discriminated against and don't like the idea of other people siphoning off some of that attention on themselves. As a member of that most discriminated against class, the heterosexual white man*, I don't understand it. *Before anyone jumps in, no I'm not serious. Yeah, the phenomenon of TERFs is really strange.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 18:40:12 GMT
I think I said it before in the Gareth Robert's thread but the most transphobic people I've met have all been gay men or more radical feminists. (Though I'm sure that's at least in part because I don't hang around with a lot of right-wingers.) Some people seem to have a martyr complex about being discriminated against and don't like the idea of other people siphoning off some of that attention on themselves. As a member of that most discriminated against class, the heterosexual white man*, I don't understand it. *Before anyone jumps in, no I'm not serious. Yeah, the phenomenon of TERFs is really strange. Prejudices tend to skew down some pretty odd pathways. To a personal example, I'm asexual. In the grand scheme of things, you'd expect that wouldn't be an issue, right? In fact, such a nonissue that you don't have to discuss it. Fairly easy concept to grasp. ...Apparently not? I have encountered people who treat it as "fakery" or, to use that tired old excuse that it's "a phase". I can only think: Seriously? Of all the concepts in the world, this one is insurmountable? I don't understand why people aren't allowed to be people. Surely whatever someone chooses to do with their own body is their own business?
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Post by nitronine on Jul 27, 2019 10:30:04 GMT
Looking at Dreyfus's recent tweets he seems to just be calling the people who are boycotting the release "kiddies" and other words that I can't say on this forum. He is just saying that they are wrong for thinking he is transphobic and not actually arguing that he is not. He's even repling to screenshots of his transphobic tweets and rather than address them he just insults the person sharing them.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 27, 2019 12:41:41 GMT
Wonder if this means his Master wont last long
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 27, 2019 13:22:17 GMT
Wonder if this means his Master wont last long I can't imagine hearing him beyond this latest release (what a shame Steve Gallagher's debut BF story has been maligned in such a way). At the very least, he seems to be doing his best to ensure he isn't employed again! Was it not implied in the past that he had already recorded a Fourth Doctor story? Or was that just speculation as it was said that he had recorded several stories as the Master and some might not be out for sometime. Hence the FDAs assumption. (I really hope it is the latter)
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Post by axelotl38 on Jul 27, 2019 13:28:41 GMT
Was it not implied in the past that he had already recorded a Fourth Doctor story? Or was that just speculation as it was said that he had recorded several stories as the Master and some might not be out for sometime. Hence the FDAs assumption. (I really hope it is the latter) I'm pretty sure he's mentioned recording with Tom Baker at some point in the past, probably as a 4DA.
He definitely worked with him in what looks like a very Big Finish-y photoshoot. This was over two years ago though, so I don't think people can really blame BF for this one as it was long before he started acting up.
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 27, 2019 13:36:51 GMT
Was it not implied in the past that he had already recorded a Fourth Doctor story? Or was that just speculation as it was said that he had recorded several stories as the Master and some might not be out for sometime. Hence the FDAs assumption. (I really hope it is the latter) I'm pretty sure he's mentioned recording with Tom Baker at some point in the past, probably as a 4DA.
I would have just pressed “like” against your post, but I don’t! But thank you for the clarification.
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Post by Digi on Jul 27, 2019 13:43:49 GMT
I can't imagine hearing him beyond this latest release (what a shame Steve Gallagher's debut BF story has been maligned in such a way). At the very least, he seems to be doing his best to ensure he isn't employed again! Was it not implied in the past that he had already recorded a Fourth Doctor story? Or was that just speculation as it was said that he had recorded several stories as the Master and some might not be out for sometime. Hence the FDAs assumption. (I really hope it is the latter) Very possibly. We know that they do the recordings for Tom stories years in advance, so we may very well see this exact issue come up again six months, a year, three years down the line simply by virtue of it having been recorded already right now. EDIT: Oh! I see there are more posts in between that make this one redundant. Whoops!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 21:07:06 GMT
Was it not implied in the past that he had already recorded a Fourth Doctor story? Or was that just speculation as it was said that he had recorded several stories as the Master and some might not be out for sometime. Hence the FDAs assumption. (I really hope it is the latter) I'm pretty sure he's mentioned recording with Tom Baker at some point in the past, probably as a 4DA.
It'll be interesting when that gets released then ...definitely a day to stay away from Twitter! Although I actually think Big Finish should just re-record his part in that story and not give this man any more publicity.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 4, 2019 1:35:37 GMT
I must say: I've noticed a difference compared to the Roberts discussion, where some were more dicey about it and Roebrts' treatment. Now, it's good to see pretty much universal agreement on 'sorry, you making a thing I like does not excuse you harming a very vunerable portion of our fandom'. It'll never cease to amaze how shows that espouse tolerant, compassionate and open-minded philosphies like Who and Trek attract bullies or those with a petty axe to grind.
'Be kind' now seems more needed than ever. To all our Trans members: you are respected, you are valued and you are welcome. Don't let buffoons and crabs like Dreyfuss or Roberts make you feel unsafe or uncomfortable on here.
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Post by mbt66 on Aug 4, 2019 9:53:54 GMT
I'm pretty sure he's mentioned recording with Tom Baker at some point in the past, probably as a 4DA.
It'll be interesting when that gets released then ...definitely a day to stay away from Twitter! Although I actually think Big Finish should just re-record his part in that story and not give this man any more publicity. Well it has been done with films and TV drama like the BBCs adaption of Agatha Christie’s Ordeal by Innocence. I would imagine that removing an actor on audio would be a lot easier. However it would still cost money, so Big Finish would have to decide if avoiding negative publicity and the potential lost income from a boycott of the release would make it worthwhile.
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