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Post by shallacatop on Aug 19, 2019 9:43:57 GMT
Four new adventures from the era of Peter Capaldi’s Twelfth Doctor will be brought to life by Jacob Dudman in The Twelfth Doctor Chronicles due for release from Big Finish in February 2020. 1.1. The Charge of the Night Brigade by David LlewellynThe Doctor finds himself in the Crimean War in 1855. There’s a strange sickness stalking the streets of Balaklava and it’s up to the Doctor and Mary Seacole to put a stop to it. More details on the co-stars and other three adventures will be coming soon. www.blogtorwho.com/big-finish-the-twelfth-doctor-chronicles-coming-in-2020/
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 19, 2019 9:51:03 GMT
Had never heard of Mary Seacole before, but just looked her up on Wikipedia. Interestingly, her mother was known as "the Doctress"!
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Post by dangerwillrobinson on Aug 19, 2019 10:40:40 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 19, 2019 14:10:42 GMT
More Twelfth Doctor stories is always a good thing, I think he’s great. Jake Dudman on narration / Doctor duties isn’t such a good thing, as I don’t find his Capaldi convincing.
I think if the guest voice is strong, then that could only benefit the set and stories. There’s plenty of opportunity, given a lot of the new series spin-offs are from the Smith / Capaldi eras, but I’m not holding my breath, as the Tenth and Eleventh Doctor sets didn’t use the opportunity.
I still think the £23 price tag is cheeky when, based on the previous sets, half of the stories won’t feature anyone the series and the other half will be tenuous at best.
There’s lots of potential to this range, so I find the execution quite frustrating.
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 19, 2019 16:43:06 GMT
More Twelfth Doctor stories is always a good thing, I think he’s great. Jake Dudman on narration / Doctor duties isn’t such a good thing, as I don’t find his Capaldi convincing. I think if the guest voice is strong, then that could only benefit the set and stories. There’s plenty of opportunity, given a lot of the new series spin-offs are from the Smith / Capaldi eras, but I’m not holding my breath, as the Tenth and Eleventh Doctor sets didn’t use the opportunity. I still think the £23 price tag is cheeky when, based on the previous sets, half of the stories won’t feature anyone the series and the other half will be tenuous at best. There’s lots of potential to this range, so I find the execution quite frustrating. I agree, there is room for improvement for Dudmans 12th Doctor. However, the 12th Doctor is my favorite TV incarnation... I think I will get this anyway because I really crave more stories with him. Let's see who else they get in for the other characters. I personally really enjoyed the 11th Doctor chronicles, but had not much interest in getting the others (9th and 10th).
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Post by glutamodo on Aug 19, 2019 16:48:01 GMT
Well, I suspect that myself and Capaldi both think it's too soon to reprise the role on audio, however I do wish he'd forget that and jump on board with BF (I'm sure he's been made rather aware of this option)
Now with Chronicle releases, those are narration, and really, don't even have to have impressionistic inflection. I'm sure The Dude(Dudman) will bridge this gap well, and the minute I learned of this I pre-ordered.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Aug 19, 2019 20:22:24 GMT
I'm in the camp which is starting to think that too much Jake Dudman might not be a good thing. He does a really good Eleven and I like him as a narrator but having him voice three of the four sets doesn't leave much room for individual interpretations. I think they'd be better with new voices for both Ten and Twelve for the sake of variety if nothing else. Kieran Hodgson did a pretty much equal job to Dudman in Tales from New Earth. Given that they are technically narrators and not recasts shouldn't give anyone exclusivity.
Equally, I hope he (or Briggs for that matter) don't monopolise the New Who Doctor stories too much. An encouraging sign is having a new voice for the Third Doctor in the forthcoming Decline of the Ancient Mariner. Also I'm looking forward to Katy's take on Eleven, as her take on Three is superb and much underused since the lack of Companion Chronicles over the last few years.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 19, 2019 20:40:04 GMT
David Llewelyn isn’t a writer who fills me with excitement. The other writers contributing and guest cast will be the deal makers or deal breakers for me.
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Post by number13 on Aug 19, 2019 21:40:38 GMT
David Llewelyn isn’t a writer who fills me with excitement. The other writers contributing and guest cast will be the deal makers or deal breakers for me. Amazing how mileages vary - and I suppose that's one good reason that BF should have a wide variety of writers across all their ranges, wherever possible. Each voice speaks to different people differently.
For me, 'The Crowmarsh Experiment' is one of the very best 4DAs ever and certainly the best of Series 7, 'Serpent in the Silver Mask' was wonderful and reduced me to tears of laughter at one point (Samuel West & Peter Davison and I'm grinning at the mere memory of their funniest scene), 'Empress of the Drahvins' was a fun Benny story and I loved 'The Green Life' with Jack&Jo. 'Cicero' is something completely different but I enjoyed that too.
Oddly, the story of his I didn't enjoy so much was the one for 'my' Third Doctor - very good story but it didn't have the "feel" of a Third Doctor story - to me at least. But that's subjective too, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 22:07:45 GMT
David Llewelyn isn’t a writer who fills me with excitement. The other writers contributing and guest cast will be the deal makers or deal breakers for me. Amazing how mileages vary - and I suppose that's one good reason that BF should have a wide variety of writers across all their ranges, wherever possible. Each voice speaks to different people differently.
For me, 'The Crowmarsh Experiment' is one of the very best 4DAs ever and certainly the best of Series 7, 'Serpent in the Silver Mask' was wonderful and reduced me to tears of laughter at one point (Samuel West & Peter Davison and I'm grinning at the mere memory of their funniest scene), 'Empress of the Drahvins' was a fun Benny story and I loved 'The Green Life' with Jack&Jo. 'Cicero' is something completely different but I enjoyed that too.
Oddly, the story of his I didn't enjoy so much was the one for 'my' Third Doctor - very good story but it didn't have the "feel" of a Third Doctor story - to me at least. But that's subjective too, of course.
Crowmarsh and Serpent are two of my favourite BF releases of the past few years so I'm very much on board with you here. I thought I'd flag that up as we've been in opposite camps on a few topics quite a bit recently so it's nice to be singing from the same hymn sheet here!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 19, 2019 22:43:31 GMT
David Llewelyn isn’t a writer who fills me with excitement. The other writers contributing and guest cast will be the deal makers or deal breakers for me. Amazing how mileages vary - and I suppose that's one good reason that BF should have a wide variety of writers across all their ranges, wherever possible. Each voice speaks to different people differently.
For me, 'The Crowmarsh Experiment' is one of the very best 4DAs ever and certainly the best of Series 7, 'Serpent in the Silver Mask' was wonderful and reduced me to tears of laughter at one point (Samuel West & Peter Davison and I'm grinning at the mere memory of their funniest scene), 'Empress of the Drahvins' was a fun Benny story and I loved 'The Green Life' with Jack&Jo. 'Cicero' is something completely different but I enjoyed that too.
Oddly, the story of his I didn't enjoy so much was the one for 'my' Third Doctor - very good story but it didn't have the "feel" of a Third Doctor story - to me at least. But that's subjective too, of course.
Oh sure. Go ahead and mention my two favorite plays by him. I did like TheGreen Life as well. I don’t know. When he is good, I think he can be really good, when he isn’t, well....
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Post by number13 on Aug 20, 2019 0:01:43 GMT
Amazing how mileages vary - and I suppose that's one good reason that BF should have a wide variety of writers across all their ranges, wherever possible. Each voice speaks to different people differently. For me, 'The Crowmarsh Experiment' is one of the very best 4DAs ever and certainly the best of Series 7, 'Serpent in the Silver Mask' was wonderful and reduced me to tears of laughter at one point (Samuel West & Peter Davison and I'm grinning at the mere memory of their funniest scene), 'Empress of the Drahvins' was a fun Benny story and I loved 'The Green Life' with Jack&Jo. 'Cicero' is something completely different but I enjoyed that too.
Oddly, the story of his I didn't enjoy so much was the one for 'my' Third Doctor - very good story but it didn't have the "feel" of a Third Doctor story - to me at least. But that's subjective too, of course.
Crowmarsh and Serpent are two of my favourite BF releases of the past few years so I'm very much on board with you here. I thought I'd flag that up as we've been in opposite camps on a few topics quite a bit recently so it's nice to be singing from the same hymn sheet here! Only opposite on the one topic really - any other disagreements must have been with someone else! (Arguing the relative merits of this or that story/character/writer etc. doesn't count as disagreement and I'll happily argue for/against until I run out of regenerations. ) I enjoyed our recent chats on the blu-rays and CDs v DLs threads and I always find your film & TV & media posts interesting reads.
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Post by barnabaslives on Aug 20, 2019 0:19:16 GMT
I'm a bit on the fence about this in that I don't think I've heard Dudman hit his stride with the 12th Doctor the way he has with the 10th and 11th and I'm not quite sure what to hope for, but I'm so happy at the thought of having 12th Doctor stories that this went right straight on my wishlist anyway. I definitely want to get it but I do hope I like it. David Llewelyn isn’t a writer who fills me with excitement. The other writers contributing and guest cast will be the deal makers or deal breakers for me. I'd grant that I'm probably not quite as thrilled as if it were Dorney or some other favorites, but I do associate the name David Llewelyn with stories that are consistently very good ones. If I'm listening to a story and I think "Wow, this is good - who wrote this?" if it isn't a very talented newcomer, it's usually David Llewelyn. Just thought I'd chime in with that because perhaps he's a bit underappreciated, including by me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 12:16:56 GMT
I know that not all fans are keen on Jake Dudman's Twelve impression, but I think it'd be better to wait until they add the trailer than to go judging. Nevertheless, I myself am looking forward to whatever they're soon to deliver, in terms of characters and storylines.
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Post by elkawho on Aug 25, 2019 17:12:08 GMT
When the 9th Doctor Chronicles came out I had no interest in them. I hated Nick's Ninth Doctor voice and swore I wouldn't buy them, even after I heard the trailer. For the life of me I don't know why, but I ended up listening to them anyway and ended up loving them. (I think it was due to the positive reviews on this forum.) When they announced the 10th and 11th Doctor Chronicles, I again wasn't planning on buying them because those stories without David Tennant and Matt Smith didn't seem like something I'd be interested in, but then I did buy them and loved those as well. So now I don't turn my back on these Chronicles any longer. I take them for what they are, well written stories about characters that I love. And isn't that what it's all about anyway, no matter who is telling them?
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Post by Digi on Aug 25, 2019 18:15:59 GMT
When the 9th Doctor Chronicles came out I had no interest in them. I hated Nick's Ninth Doctor voice and swore I wouldn't buy them, even after I heard the trailer. For the life of me I don't know why, but I ended up listening to them anyway and ended up loving them. (I think it was due to the positive reviews on this forum.) When they announced the 10th and 11th Doctor Chronicles, I again wasn't planning on buying them because those stories without David Tennant and Matt Smith didn't seem like something I'd be interested in, but then I did buy them and loved those as well. So now I don't turn my back on these Chronicles any longer. I take them for what they are, well written stories about characters that I love. And isn't that what it's all about anyway, no matter who is telling them? I'm the reverse. I bought in because I don't at all mind Nick's take on Chris Eccleston (and it's unlikely we'll ever get the real thing), and IIRC they had already begun working with David Tennant. So I was bitterly disappointed when they announced they'd hired an impersonator to do the 10th and 11th sets, but decided to give them a shot....and was so underwhelmed with the 10th set that I haven't even tried the 11th, even though I paid for it (as part of the bundle). I don't want to crap on Jake Dudman - the kid's an actor like any other, and I'm happy Big Finish is giving a young actor a shot. I'd be quite happy to see him become part of their regular stable, maybe even become an original Big Finish Doctor companion. But this whole impersonator thing is a little like a friend telling you they got your favourite band to play their backyard party, and then when you get there, it's actually a cover band. It doesn't matter how good the cover band's imitation is, they're just not the real thing, and they're not something I'm remotely interested in. Hard pass.
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 25, 2019 18:30:05 GMT
When the 9th Doctor Chronicles came out I had no interest in them. I hated Nick's Ninth Doctor voice and swore I wouldn't buy them, even after I heard the trailer. For the life of me I don't know why, but I ended up listening to them anyway and ended up loving them. (I think it was due to the positive reviews on this forum.) When they announced the 10th and 11th Doctor Chronicles, I again wasn't planning on buying them because those stories without David Tennant and Matt Smith didn't seem like something I'd be interested in, but then I did buy them and loved those as well. So now I don't turn my back on these Chronicles any longer. I take them for what they are, well written stories about characters that I love. And isn't that what it's all about anyway, no matter who is telling them? I'm the reverse. I bought in because I don't at all mind Nick's take on Chris Eccleston (and it's unlikely we'll ever get the real thing), and IIRC they had already begun working with David Tennant. So I was bitterly disappointed when they announced they'd hired an impersonator to do the 10th and 11th sets, but decided to give them a shot....and was so underwhelmed with the 10th set that I haven't even tried the 11th, even though I paid for it (as part of the bundle). I don't want to crap on Jake Dudman - the kid's an actor like any other, and I'm happy Big Finish is giving a young actor a shot. I'd be quite happy to see him become part of their regular stable, maybe even become an original Big Finish Doctor companion. But this whole impersonator thing is a little like a friend telling you they got your favourite band to play their backyard party, and then when you get there, it's actually a cover band. It doesn't matter how good the cover band's imitation is, they're just not the real thing, and they're not something I'm remotely interested in. Hard pass. First of all- you are missing out (after all, you have already paid for it). Give the 11th Doctor chronicles a chance- I bought them on a whim and it was one of the most positively surprising impulse buys I did last year. The stories are really enjoyable and Dudman is doing a really good job as the 11th.
However, I get where you are coming from and I had and have no interest in the previous 9th and 10th Doctor chronicles.
Therefore, I cannot really judge how good or bad the impersonations are... but from what many people on here say, they are not that good.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 25, 2019 19:59:48 GMT
The story is the most important aspect, but it’s not the be all and end all. If Big Finish acquired the Doctor Who licence back in 1999 and just had Nicholas Briggs reading new adventures for the Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Doctors, would they still be going now? I don’t think so. Would you seriously have bought into the range? I have my reservations; I certainly wouldn’t.
The story can be top notch, but if you can’t concentrate because you find the voices distracting, for whatever reason, then I think that’s clearly a negative point. I think that point sticks more when someone has been hired for their impression, the whole point is it shouldn’t be distracting.
To clarify, this is a general “you”, not pointed at anyone in particular.
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Post by xlozdob on Aug 26, 2019 20:37:27 GMT
I used to not be remotely interested in Companion Chronicles or Short Trips or anything of the like. They're basically audiobooks, ie. not full cast, ergo not the real thing. I did not care if it was read by an original cast member or the first actor they could find. It just wasn't something I could enjoy like a full-cast dramatisation.
Or at least that's what I used to think. Through some of them being technically full cast (Solitaire) plus other things like the Early Adventures which used to be glorified CCs, I slowly started getting used to them and the format, and now I'm perfectly fine with them. Hell, some of my favourite audios are Short Trips and I think the Lost Tetralogy of BBC audiobooks is a great run for the Twelfth Doctor. So yeah, as long as a story is well told and doesn't majorly contradict "canon", I'm all for it, especially if it features my favourite incarnation of the Doctor.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Aug 30, 2019 10:51:38 GMT
The story is the most important aspect, but it’s not the be all and end all. If Big Finish acquired the Doctor Who licence back in 1999 and just had Nicholas Briggs reading new adventures for the Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Doctors, would they still be going now? I don’t think so. Would you seriously have bought into the range? I have my reservations; I certainly wouldn’t. Absolutely. Back in the day when I first got into Big Finish (in 2003), I looked through what was on offer and my decisions were based purely on cast. The fifth Doctor and Nyssa were the closest to my favourite team so they were the bulk of my purchases. I had been aware of the audios for a while beforehand and been considering them for a while but can honestly say if they'd starred Nick Briggs* and Jane Goddard* or Nick Pegg* and India Fisher* I'd either still be wondering what they were like today or had my appetite for them quickly sated. Another interesting anomaly is that I do quite like The Time Traveller audios with Sylvester as The Professor and Sophie as Ace, because even though they are unofficial they are intriguing enough to draw me in and they do star the original actors playing 'very similar' characters. *No disrespect is intended toward the actors named above who have all given great performances in roles they have played over the years.
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