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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 6:31:47 GMT
I dont think he was bad but never really go that he was companion material.A combat veteran who become a casualty of a war.I think it was great he truly loved Clara and he had genuine concern about the danger to her of where her adventures could lead her. The actor in himself was wonderful with the material given to him and a deep rich vocal for audio.It will be interesting to see where they take him with the audio Yes I agree. The soldier boy thing was annoying at first but in the end, I think it works well for putting a mirror in front of the Doctor and his ptsd. Yes i actually agree,I mean Danny was kind of damaged goods from his wartime deployments and even thinking on it he would have been a great companion and a very very complex person to take on Travels(i admit i was kind of sad that there was no real explanation of the FUTURE Danny Pink )
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 9:55:45 GMT
Danny Pink - why could they not have left him well and truly dead. By far one of the worst things in 12's run. What do you think was so bad about him? I wasn’t a fan at the start but he has grown on me. Speaking as someone with PTSD (not from combat fatigue, but other causes), I have some mixed feelings regarding Danny in the television series... I won't go into too much detail, but I found him rather flat and his characterisation felt like "only the good parts" of the condition, so to speak. A romanticised version of the disorder, which really didn't sit well with me. He could slot into that semi-recurring bracket (similar to the Brigadier) for Twelve/Clara stories, but there would have to be a serious re-examination of that part of his character.
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Post by axelotl38 on Sept 13, 2019 14:44:05 GMT
The general consensus on here and amongst other sites seems to be "Danny Pink isn't an interesting enough character to have regularly but maybe as a recurring character or a one-off" which is also exactly what this is and what the characters in these sets tend to be, so I'm failing to see the issue.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Sept 13, 2019 15:22:18 GMT
I kinda hope they turn these sets into something more akin to the Companion Chronicles. Like have some recurring characters and a bit of storyline going on, not necessarily something that has to span a whole Boxset, but like two episodes that form part of an arc, and then complete the arc in another set or something.
If they’re going to avoid using regular companions in these, then I definitely wouldn’t be adverse to them introducing a Doctor Chronicles exclusive companion, or even giving one of the recurring characters like Osgood a longer stint in the TARDIS.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 13, 2019 17:50:47 GMT
What do you think was so bad about him? I wasn’t a fan at the start but he has grown on me. Speaking as someone with PTSD (not from combat fatigue, but other causes), I have some mixed feelings regarding Danny in the television series... I won't go into too much detail, but I found him rather flat and his characterisation felt like "only the good parts" of the condition, so to speak. A romanticised version of the disorder, which really didn't sit well with me. He could slot into that semi-recurring bracket (similar to the Brigadier) for Twelve/Clara stories, but there would have to be a serious re-examination of that part of his character. Fair enough. There have been enough times I got upset with the portrayal of depression and social anxiety in various media. For a non-sufferer these might be alright and fit the trope, but it can be off-putting for someone who knows how it is. So I understand your frustration.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 13, 2019 17:52:07 GMT
I kinda hope they turn these sets into something more akin to the Companion Chronicles. Like have some recurring characters and a bit of storyline going on, not necessarily something that has to span a whole Boxset, but like two episodes that form part of an arc, and then complete the arc in another set or something. If they’re going to avoid using regular companions in these, then I definitely wouldn’t be adverse to them introducing a Doctor Chronicles exclusive companion, or even giving one of the recurring characters like Osgood a longer stint in the TARDIS. Yeah, those ideas in the second paragraph- definitely seconded.
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Post by constonks on Sept 13, 2019 18:45:22 GMT
If they’re going to avoid using regular companions in these, then I definitely wouldn’t be adverse to them introducing a Doctor Chronicles exclusive companion, or even giving one of the recurring characters like Osgood a longer stint in the TARDIS. Why not just make Dudman a new companion as a first person narrator?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 0:50:27 GMT
Speaking as someone with PTSD (not from combat fatigue, but other causes), I have some mixed feelings regarding Danny in the television series... I won't go into too much detail, but I found him rather flat and his characterisation felt like "only the good parts" of the condition, so to speak. A romanticised version of the disorder, which really didn't sit well with me. He could slot into that semi-recurring bracket (similar to the Brigadier) for Twelve/Clara stories, but there would have to be a serious re-examination of that part of his character. Fair enough. There have been enough times I got upset with the portrayal of depression and social anxiety in various media. For a non-sufferer these might be alright and fit the trope, but it can be off-putting for someone who knows how it is. So I understand your frustration. Yeah, so near, yet so far. I have a lot of problems with how he's treated in both Listen and The Caretaker (more the former than the latter). Albeit for different reasons. It varies on the person, but he has an unreasonable patience for things that would, in other circumstances, trigger an episode. Minor or major, he'd have a reaction. Clara's decision to double down on her "joke" at dinner, for instance, then storm out, would have ended a lot of acquaintances. Either that or the subsequent interactions would've been... less pleasant. It's like mouthing off about a body at a funeral and then trying to justify the insult as a prank. There would've been consequences and it would not have fallen in Clara's favour. That said, Danny could be an interesting character. There are two things which you have to deal with: being hyper-alert and avoiding places that bring back traumatic triggers. Clara's behaviour would have hit on the former repeatedly and, perhaps most interestingly, he's deliberately working where he'd have to confront his avoidance head-on. He's surrounded by kids for five days of the week. That feels like either therapy or self-inflicted punishment. He also has problems with authority through the commanding officer he blames, so he'd likely not respond well to anyone giving him orders (might've been why he was discharged). Doctor Who's got some well-drawn characters like that under its belt. The Tenth Doctor is one. General Carrington from The Ambassadors of Death is another. It's a manageable condition and it's definitely worth talking about -- a lot, historically the alternative has been really damaging -- but it's not a cutesy quirk for a love interest. Who is much better than that, it's already shown it can do it and do it well.
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Post by shallacatop on Sept 14, 2019 7:30:15 GMT
If they’re going to avoid using regular companions in these, then I definitely wouldn’t be adverse to them introducing a Doctor Chronicles exclusive companion, or even giving one of the recurring characters like Osgood a longer stint in the TARDIS. Why not just make Dudman a new companion as a first person narrator? I think that point can be extended to the previous three Doctor Chronicle sets. In fact, it’s a point that seems to crop up with each announcement. And I completely agree. Aside from the Ninth Doctor, the other sets could have (and arguably should have) stayed with the Companion Chronicles format. There’s more than enough names working with Big Finish from the Tenth, Eleventh & Twelfth Doctor tenures to fill out a couple of sets apiece. This could be in addition to getting actors to reprise their roles, which BF have achieved with these sets, in fairness. There’s just no need for Dudman’s involvement in these. Certainly not in the capacity of playing the Doctor. It’s frustrating because these could be some very special releases, but instead they just scrape by. That’s my view, anyway.
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Post by project37 on Sept 14, 2019 12:29:59 GMT
Here's some more audio to consider:
Everyone has limits. For me, this was his (and mine).
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Post by frisby78 on Jan 28, 2020 15:55:32 GMT
Well, the trailer sold me. Considering no one else has mentioned it I must be the only person looking forward to it! 😁
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Post by mark687 on Jan 28, 2020 16:04:26 GMT
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Post by timegirl on Jan 28, 2020 16:27:49 GMT
I love 12, but I think for the most part I will wait until Big Finish signs Capaldi, before I listen to 12’s range🤔 I know Dudman is probably doing his best, but it just somehow doesn’t feel right to have anyone other than Peter playing that part!
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 28, 2020 18:59:00 GMT
I love 12, but I think for the most part I will wait until Big Finish signs Capaldi, before I listen to 12’s range🤔 I know Dudman is probably doing his best, but it just somehow doesn’t feel right to have anyone other than Peter playing that part! But it has Danny! And Osgood!
However, I agree that Dudman's 12 is just not... there. His 11 in comparison is spot on.
I am getting it- because I am really interested in hearing more from Danny and Osgood (I have the suspicion we even get Zygon Osgood here!) so I will let you know what I thought and if it is worth it.
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Post by timegirl on Jan 28, 2020 19:08:02 GMT
I love 12, but I think for the most part I will wait until Big Finish signs Capaldi, before I listen to 12’s range🤔 I know Dudman is probably doing his best, but it just somehow doesn’t feel right to have anyone other than Peter playing that part! But it has Danny! And Osgood!
However, I agree that Dudman's 12 is just not... there. His 11 in comparison is spot on.
I am getting it- because I am really interested in hearing more from Danny and Osgood (I have the suspicion we even get Zygon Osgood here!) so I will let you know what I thought and if it is worth it.
Thanks, and maybe I will try it once it goes on sale, and I can just try to imagine Capaldi is voicing 12 instead 😉
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 28, 2020 19:19:33 GMT
Well, the trailer sold me. Considering no one else has mentioned it I must be the only person looking forward to it! 😁 I heard Jake's last Short Trip and got excited enough to pre-order this. I think I'm going to like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 19:59:00 GMT
Well, the trailer sold me. Considering no one else has mentioned it I must be the only person looking forward to it! 😁 You're not the only one who loves it!
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 28, 2020 20:19:43 GMT
I love 12, but I think for the most part I will wait until Big Finish signs Capaldi, before I listen to 12’s range🤔 I know Dudman is probably doing his best, but it just somehow doesn’t feel right to have anyone other than Peter playing that part! I remember saying the same about Matt Smith. And now I am impatiently waiting for the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles volume 2.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 28, 2020 20:24:12 GMT
I love 12, but I think for the most part I will wait until Big Finish signs Capaldi, before I listen to 12’s range🤔 I know Dudman is probably doing his best, but it just somehow doesn’t feel right to have anyone other than Peter playing that part! I remember saying the same about Matt Smith. And now I am impatiently waiting for the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles volume 2. Well, Volume 1 was a real surprise hit. I bought it completely on a whim going in with 0 expectations since it was a re-cast. Jaw dropped.
But Dudman's 11 is uncanny. His 12 not so much, this is why I hope for some great stories, lots of humor and of course the guest stars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 11:17:17 GMT
I remember saying the same about Matt Smith. And now I am impatiently waiting for the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles volume 2. Well, Volume 1 was a real surprise hit. I bought it completely on a whim going in with 0 expectations since it was a re-cast. Jaw dropped.
But Dudman's 11 is uncanny. His 12 not so much, this is why I hope for some great stories, lots of humor and of course the guest stars.
I though Dudman was brilliant at 11 in the first volume -totally got lost in it and i was a very “not “ going to get this but I enjoyed it so will probably give it a shot.
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