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Post by tuigirl on Feb 22, 2020 13:58:09 GMT
After recent discussions involving how I "rank" releases taking a specific turn towards this box set, I figured I may as well come here and explain what I thought about the release. I'm thinking I might try and comment more often on recent releases too, if only so anyone who might be interested in how I formulate my opinions may understand where I'm coming from (which is probably nobody, but then you can all just ignore the posts I make anyway ). I for one always enjoy reading people's comments. Whether or not I agree with them
The extras mention that the Danny Pink episode is set around the time of 'The Caretaker' and 'Mummy on the Orient Express'. I'd have said after, because although the experiences of 'War Wounds' don't change the Doctor's lasting view of Danny because of the memory wipe, it does change Danny's view of him and possibly helps him with his PTSD too? He's in a war zone again and he takes a different path - I think this fits the less abrasive Danny (as he relates to the Doctor) who we see later in the season.
Completely agree the Osgood we saw in the final story was much more like early TV Osgood, compared with the far more assured Osgood of the UNIT sets. I have an fan-explanation for this - the Doctor took Zygon Osgood with him and she simply hasn't got it right yet. However good their genetics and technology, duplicating a mind as exceptional as Osgood's must be extremely difficult and the process still has a long way to go. (Personally I don't accept the 'perfect mental duplicate' concept of the new series Zygons but that's another matter!) That is exactly the same impression I got. There are a few small hints in the story that point towards this being the Zygon. I waited and hoped we might get some shape shifter action like in 8th of March- where it is pretty clear that the two Osgoods are indeed a bit different from each other. This one here is much more similar to the Zygon Osgood in 8th of March.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 22, 2020 13:58:42 GMT
After recent discussions involving how I "rank" releases taking a specific turn towards this box set, I figured I may as well come here and explain what I thought about the release. I'm thinking I might try and comment more often on recent releases too, if only so anyone who might be interested in how I formulate my opinions may understand where I'm coming from (which is probably nobody, but then you can all just ignore the posts I make anyway ). I for one always enjoy reading people's comments. Whether or not I agree with them
The extras mention that the Danny Pink episode is set around the time of 'The Caretaker' and 'Mummy on the Orient Express'. I'd have said after, because although the experiences of 'War Wounds' don't change the Doctor's lasting view of Danny because of the memory wipe, it does change Danny's view of him and possibly helps him with his PTSD too? He's in a war zone again and he takes a different path - I think this fits the less abrasive Danny (as he relates to the Doctor) who we see later in the season.
Completely agree the Osgood we saw in the final story was much more like early TV Osgood, compared with the far more assured Osgood of the UNIT sets. I have an fan-explanation for this - the Doctor took Zygon Osgood with him and she simply hasn't got it right yet. However good their genetics and technology, duplicating a mind as exceptional as Osgood's must be extremely difficult and the process still has a long way to go. ( Personally I don't accept the 'perfect mental duplicate' concept of the new series Zygons but that's another matter.) Don't get me started on the problems with the New Series inventions for the Zygons. It's as if they were told the Zygons were shape shifters and ignored everything else (like how they aren't natural shape shifters, they require technological aid to do so). Then there's the sudden ability to be able to read minds (presumably). And then there's the ability the read the minds of people many miles away by seeing a piloted drone... I'll stop myself now before I get too carried away
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Post by number13 on Feb 22, 2020 14:23:02 GMT
I for one always enjoy reading people's comments. Whether or not I agree with them
The extras mention that the Danny Pink episode is set around the time of 'The Caretaker' and 'Mummy on the Orient Express'. I'd have said after, because although the experiences of 'War Wounds' don't change the Doctor's lasting view of Danny because of the memory wipe, it does change Danny's view of him and possibly helps him with his PTSD too? He's in a war zone again and he takes a different path - I think this fits the less abrasive Danny (as he relates to the Doctor) who we see later in the season.
Completely agree the Osgood we saw in the final story was much more like early TV Osgood, compared with the far more assured Osgood of the UNIT sets. I have an fan-explanation for this - the Doctor took Zygon Osgood with him and she simply hasn't got it right yet. However good their genetics and technology, duplicating a mind as exceptional as Osgood's must be extremely difficult and the process still has a long way to go. ( Personally I don't accept the 'perfect mental duplicate' concept of the new series Zygons but that's another matter.) Don't get me started on the problems with the New Series inventions for the Zygons. It's as if they were told the Zygons were shape shifters and ignored everything else (like how they aren't natural shape shifters, they require technological aid to do so). Then there's the sudden ability to be able to read minds (presumably). And then there's the ability the read the minds of people many miles away by seeing a piloted drone... I'll stop myself now before I get too carried away Agree with every word! The definitive and only true Zygons are Robert Banks Stewart's originals, the new ones are poor imitations. As old Angus at the inn might have said: 'They're no the Zygons I remember.'
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 22, 2020 14:24:53 GMT
Although the Osgood in the UNIT sets IS early Osgood as they’re all pre-Day of the Doctor except Narcissus (The Eighth of March) and this.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 22, 2020 21:06:15 GMT
I swear I read something about the New UNIT sets moving into the Twelfth Doctor era at some point
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 22, 2020 22:12:33 GMT
I swear I read something about the New UNIT sets moving into the Twelfth Doctor era at some point They’re currently on a break while production duties are handed over to Andrew Smith and they figure out where to take it going forward. When they start releasing UNIT sets again, they’ll be set in the Twelfth Doctor era with the two Osgoods.
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Post by number13 on Feb 23, 2020 12:01:43 GMT
Although the Osgood in the UNIT sets IS early Osgood as they’re all pre-Day of the Doctor except Narcissus (The Eighth of March) and this. True, I was ambiguous in my comment. By 'early' I meant the early TV stories when she was somewhat in 'fan-girl' mode at the thought of meeting the Doctor (and who wouldn't be? ) compared with the UNIT boxsets Osgood who'd encountered the Master, a Dalek, Cybermen, Wirrn, Silurians and other assorted horrors and managed to help defeat or at least survive all of them.
She's not the Osgood she used to be. BF UNIT Osgood is a much deeper and imo better version of the character.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 23, 2020 12:43:58 GMT
Although the Osgood in the UNIT sets IS early Osgood as they’re all pre-Day of the Doctor except Narcissus (The Eighth of March) and this. True, I was ambiguous in my comment. By 'early' I meant the early TV stories when she was somewhat in 'fan-girl' mode at the thought of meeting the Doctor (and who wouldn't be? ) compared with the UNIT boxsets Osgood who'd encountered the Master, a Dalek, Cybermen, Wirrn, Silurians and other assorted horrors and managed to help defeat or at least survive all of them.
She's not the Osgood she used to be. BF UNIT Osgood is a much deeper and imo better version of the character.
I completely agree with that. They took the New Series Whizz Kid and made her into a real person. People say that Big Finish have given many Classic Series companions a new lease of life but I'd argue Osgood is one of the best examples of that sort of thing, particularly with Narcissus (the Eighth of March UNIT episode).
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 23, 2020 15:59:59 GMT
Field Trip was my most anticipated of the set, as I adore Osgood, yet it ended up being my least favourite by far. A weird and meandering mishmash of genres that doesn’t really amount to anything.
I understand the comments about Osgood being reminiscent of her early TV self, which I think does make sense within the context of the story itself. It’s her first trip in the TARDIS and I think it’s implied to be the Zygon version, so I didn’t have an issue. Having said that, I thought she went completely generic after those first few scenes. Apart from linking back to a gadget she made at UNIT towards the end of the story, it could’ve been anyone else. I thought that was a shame, but especially given how great Osgood is and my own fondness of the character. The Zygon Invasion showed that she’d make a great companion, and Distant Voices did wonders with making Cameron a great temporary companion. I didn’t get any of that from Field Trip, sadly, and it makes me all the more disappointed.
My thoughts on the set overall? It’s... fine. Three enjoyable stories and one I wasn’t too fussed over. I wish the stories spanned they Doctor’s tenure a bit more and I could’ve done without the overall theme of war throughout; not a lot is done with it.
I find it tough rating these Chronicles sets, to be honest. I have been very critical of their format in the past, and I suppose I still have the same view: they could be so much more. There’s plenty of cast members from the respective eras, certainly Doctors Ten, Eleven & Twelve, working with Big Finish on a regular basis to make these into the more traditional Chronicle format. There’s no need for a Doctor impersonator and there’s no reason why they can’t get names for each story. In the defence of the Twelfth Doctor set, they’ve gotten the best names so far, but it’s still only comprising half the set. I really struggle with justifying the price of an Eighth Doctor or River Song set on the Chronicles, especially in their existing format. I think I only purchase them because of the lack of content for these Doctors with Big Finish at the moment, though I suspect that’s exactly why they exist!
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 23, 2020 16:05:00 GMT
Field Trip was my most anticipated of the set, as I adore Osgood, yet it ended up being my least favourite by far. A weird and meandering mishmash of genres that doesn’t really amount to anything. I understand the comments about Osgood being reminiscent of her early TV self, which I think does make sense within the context of the story itself. It’s her first trip in the TARDIS and I think it’s implied to be the Zygon version, so I didn’t have an issue. Having said that, I thought she went completely generic after those first few scenes. Apart from linking back to a gadget she made at UNIT towards the end of the story, it could’ve been anyone else. I thought that was a shame, but especially given how great Osgood is and my own fondness of the character. The Zygon Invasion showed that she’d make a great companion, and Distant Voices did wonders with making Cameron a great temporary companion. I didn’t get any of that from Field Trip, sadly, and it makes me all the more disappointed. My thoughts on the set overall? It’s... fine. Three enjoyable stories and one I wasn’t too fussed over. I wish the stories spanned they Doctor’s tenure a bit more and I could’ve done without the overall theme of war throughout; not a lot is done with it. I find it tough rating these Chronicles sets, to be honest. I have been very critical of their format in the past, and I suppose I still have the same view: they could be so much more. There’s plenty of cast members from the respective eras, certainly Doctors Ten, Eleven & Twelve, working with Big Finish on a regular basis to make these into the more traditional Chronicle format. There’s no need for a Doctor impersonator and there’s no reason why they can’t get names for each story. In the defence of the Twelfth Doctor set, they’ve gotten the best names so far, but it’s still only comprising half the set. I really struggle with justifying the price of an Eighth Doctor or River Song set on the Chronicles, especially in their existing format. I think I only purchase them because of the lack of content for these Doctors with Big Finish at the moment, though I suspect that’s exactly why they exist! What made you think it was the Zygon Osgood? I ask because I thought it was implied to be the human one myself. Not that they really had any intention of saying for sure.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Mar 5, 2020 18:23:03 GMT
My take on these Chronicle has landed at Cultbox: I thought Charge of the Night Brigade was particularly strong, thought I enjoyed all four stories. Now, where's my Nardole tale?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 20:10:36 GMT
1.1 The Charge of the Night Brigade by David Llewellyn
In the rat-infested camps of the Crimea, Mary Seacole offers a vital service to the beleaguered troops, serving up rice pudding and treating the wounded at her ‘British Hotel’. Mary’s no-nonsense attitude is tested by the Doctor’s arrival. Together, they must deal with a strange infection not of this Earth...
Well one thing leads to another doesn’t it...Timejacked to Flux to Seacole. To Volume 1 I hadn’t looked at this release other than the cover.But after Flux i was interested in how 12 dealt with the character one thing about these is how much Jacobs 12 has improved and it is an very interesting story and actually the narration actually enhances it but i am so glad they moved to full cast. I needed filling material to fill in for Stranded and am actually glad i did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 20:59:51 GMT
1.2 War Wounds by Mark Wright
When Danny Pink finds the TARDIS door open in a Coal Hill storeroom, he can’t help wondering about Clara’s double life and the truth about the Doctor. But he gets much more than he bargained for. Stuck amid an alien war, can Danny and the Doctor stop arguing long enough to make it out alive?
well listening to this i have fond memories of a member who has apparently vanished from the forum i promised myself i wouldnt go searching for reasons and I haven’t . You get used to Jacob narrating and he is actually damn fine at it its been a while since i listened to the first 11th Doctor Chronicles which i remember enjoying.The second story is interesting for having Danny Pink in it which is nice to have and hell if they ever want to take 12 on a journey with the OTHER Pink family line am willing to go on that journey.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 13, 2021 21:08:33 GMT
Incorrect thread title.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 21:53:51 GMT
Happy 😜 well that actually a great second story and shows how much could have been done if Clara had been sidestepped for a few tales and putting Danny in her place and such a great ending and tragic that can fit in with what was on TV. was also great hearing Samuel Anderson spark off Jacob superb stuff by Mark Wright that’s two tales i will deffo relisten
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 22:02:02 GMT
1.3 Distant Voices by Lizbeth Myles
Cameron is haunted by strange voices. As she gets on with her job conducting tours around Rochester Castle, she hopes that they’ll just go away. Fortunately for Cameron, the Doctor has joined her tour. He hears the voices too, and he knows what they mean. Time itself is starting to fracture...
Can we make it 3/4? and we can. A Time Tale with an excellent companion Cameron(Emily Redpath) as the Doctor tries to make sense of all that is happening around her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 7:18:52 GMT
1.4 Field Trip by Una McCormackOsgood gets an offer she can’t resist when the Doctor drops in – her first flight in the TARDIS!The Doctor is calling on Osgood’s expertise to stop an invasion, but what begins as a fact-finding mission quickly becomes something far more dangerous. Osgood’s intergalactic field trip is about to get very hands-on!This set has been a nice surprise for me all the cast so far have been great in their roles three excellent tales can it continue?I would say that the last story is the most narrative heavy but still a good story which Jacob does excel at but am glad they have moved to the full casts now Well what can i say but i loved this set of stories and not something i had ever thought of purchasing at all I mean even the 11th Doctor Chronicles i have only listened to twice but there is definitely something about this set that captures the imagination and a few previous watches of Capaldis tenure as the Doctor have made me really enjoy his portrayal.Jacob does a great job with the portrayal and i think if the material is this good he can’t do wrong with it.If Capaldi ever comes on board i have to say in the right writers hands his Doctor will definitely be a must listen to.I totally enjoyed Timejacked and now this too,plenty more Doctors to listen to cannot be bad. I guess the surprise story for me was with Danny Pink the story just worked two characters with a mutual distrust of each other and i hope they find another way to revisit them both. Definitely worth a listen i would go so far as to say it is a MUST BUY- and glad i took the plunge. and if you want a fuller review i read this after i listened and about sums it up because others are far more eloquent than little old moi 😂 massmovement.co.uk/doctor-who-the-twelfth-doctor-chronicles-volume-one/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 10:07:27 GMT
Redoing the Danny Pink story because ....well i enjoyed it,who would have thought 😂
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 14, 2021 10:24:24 GMT
I've merged the newly created thread for this release with the pre-existing thread. This post is just to bump the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 11:08:46 GMT
Thanks i did search couldn’t find 👍
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