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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 30, 2019 13:53:28 GMT
So before, I made fun of how idiotic Stygron's plan was, from Android Invasion. And well, Sec's hybrid idea (and the mechanics) are pretty shabby too from Evolution. But what, for you, is the stupidest scheme hatched by a villain in the franchise?
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Post by dorney on Aug 30, 2019 15:40:13 GMT
I remember being a little unsure as to what Taren Capel is actually trying to gain.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 15:49:43 GMT
The Rani's machinations, back in Time and the Rani have never made sense to me. Cause the TARDIS to chuck The Doctor off his exercise bike and bash his head, and while he recovers from post-regeneration amnesia, pretend to be Mel and use him to fix her laboratory next to a room with a giant talking brain and a nest of Tetraps who are fed on goo, so she can make use of an asteroid composed of 'strange matter' for her collection of geniuses and something called loyhargil. Have I got that right?
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Post by polly on Aug 30, 2019 18:00:33 GMT
Well, in The Dalek Invasion of Earth, their ultimate goal was to hollow out the core of the Earth so they could drive it around like a spaceship. Still a great story, though.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 30, 2019 18:08:27 GMT
I’ve never fully understood why Millington releases Fenric. He just seems to have this bizarre conviction that Fenric will give him power, or something.
Also, what is the Master actually trying to achieve in The King’s Demons by averting the signing of Magna Carta?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 18:22:55 GMT
The three who rule wanting to be ruled over -keep that sucker down.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 30, 2019 19:00:41 GMT
Depending on how you define Villains
Both Sentient Stars in 42 and The Rings of Akertan
Charlie in Kerblam
Nero and the Doctor in the Romans
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Post by number13 on Aug 30, 2019 22:41:20 GMT
All those would-be masters of the Cybermen, from Eric Kleig to the Nazis in 'Silver Nemesis'. They all think they can control the Cybermen and use their power. Why would they possibly think that? Go near a Cyberman and you will become like them, or dead.
Only Tobias Vaughn had any actual plan as to how to control them, and it didn't make any difference in the end. They are too powerful and evil for anyone to control - 'they must be fought!'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:55:36 GMT
Well, in The Dalek Invasion of Earth, their ultimate goal was to hollow out the core of the Earth so they could drive it around like a spaceship. Technically that's not actually a dumb plan, if piloting a planet around to destroy everything else is actually your goal... and over a decade before the Death Star was even thought of! There are a heck of a lot more sillier Dalek plans out there. I could probably list ten of them, but the Daleks in Resurrection of the Daleks would win the 'Illogical Nonsense Award' if it was going to go to a Dalek story. However, step forward the Kraals from The Android Invasion to claim the award their overcomplicated illogical plan rightly deserves. For me, they are the dumbest villains.
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Post by Hieronymus on Aug 30, 2019 23:37:48 GMT
Time-Flight never made much sense. There must have been an easier source of slave labor than pulling Concordes through time. And there was no reason whatsoever to adopt a disguise.
Lady Peinforte's objective in Silver Nemesis is a loss for me as well. OK, she's going to get power how exactly?
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Post by constonks on Aug 30, 2019 23:44:47 GMT
Time-Flight never made much sense. There must have been an easier source of slave labor than pulling Concordes through time. And there was no reason whatsoever to adopt a disguise. Also, what is the Master actually trying to achieve in The King’s Demons by averting the signing of Magna Carta? I'm pretty sure the Ainley Master plans his schemes using a dartboard or a set of dice or some other random number generator. To quote the Joker, he just... does things.
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Post by shutupbanks on Aug 31, 2019 0:20:53 GMT
Mestor’s plan to conquer the universe by launching Gastropods eggs across space through the power of a supernova in The Twin Dilemma.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 2:19:14 GMT
Well, in The Dalek Invasion of Earth, their ultimate goal was to hollow out the core of the Earth so they could drive it around like a spaceship. Technically that's not actually a dumb plan, if piloting a planet around to destroy everything else is actually your goal... and over a decade before the Death Star was even thought of! There are a heck of a lot more sillier Dalek plans out there. I could probably list ten of them, but the Daleks in Resurrection of the Daleks would win the 'Illogical Nonsense Award' if it was going to go to a Dalek story. However, step forward the Kraals from The Android Invasion to claim the award their overcomplicated illogical plan rightly deserves. For me, they are the dumbest villains. Resurrection struggles a bit because there's at least two, possibly three plans going on at the same time: - Plan A: They want Davros to develop a cure for the Movellan virus;
- Plan B: Assassinate the High Council with replicants of the Doctor, Tegan and Turlough, and possibly;
- Plan C: Replace leaders in significant positions of power to invade the Earth.
All these are good, solid Dalek strategems, but unfortunately they don't seem to have any direct relation to one another. A and B could easily be joined together. The Daleks want to frame the Movellans for an attack on Gallifrey. However, in order to incorporate the virus effectively into their duplicates, they require a vaccine-ready immunity. Otherwise undiscoverable on the body until it's released. If the attack goes as planned, the Supreme and his drones can come in to seize control of the planet. Actually, it kind of makes me wonder if the Movellan virus hit somewhere like the Dalek hatcheries, so it manifests as errors in genetic coding during initial development of the Dalek. Something that would really get under their skin. You can't get new material because it isn't "pure". The Daleks would be forced to work with tainted stock.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 31, 2019 7:46:31 GMT
I’ve never fully understood why Millington releases Fenric. He just seems to have this bizarre conviction that Fenric will give him power, or something. Also, what is the Master actually trying to achieve in The King’s Demons by averting the signing of Magna Carta? I think Millington was properly bonkers and had no plan to release Fenric per ce but rather Fenris, the wolf that would herald Ragnarok and the end of history a la Norse Mythology. It was the fact Fenric had poisoned the water at Maiden’s Point that drew him home. As for plans that made made no sense - The Company in Sun Makers. They own everything, employ everyone and yet they pay them and then tax them to get the money they pay them in the first place back. Why? And why tax them so heavily? Or pay them at all? It’s not as if they can go anywhere else or effectivley rebel with all the suppression drugs in thr air anf food.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 1, 2019 16:13:29 GMT
"Remembrance of the Daleks" has no end of silly plans:
1) Get power by making your planet's sun more.. um... powerful, using a device that is used to explode stars. 2) Get power for you and your Aryan chums by teaming up with some blobs who aren't tall or blonde or anything. 3) Leave the universe's most terrible weapon unclaimed in the back room of a funeral directors'. 4) Keep the school budget down by locking all applicants for vacancies in the basement.
But the silliest plan ever must be from "Survival":
1) Escape an alien world that becomes ever more likely to explode by people leaving it, and which draws everybody left to it back, by getting people to leave it to attack the home town of somebody you've never met.
Wasn't it just easier to hypnotise a few people and then hire some aliens to attack UNIT, like in the old days?
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Post by mrperson on Sept 2, 2019 21:30:27 GMT
I remember being a little unsure as to what Taren Capel is actually trying to gain.
4: "Taren Capel"
TC: "Yes?"
4: "You look ridiculous"
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Post by Whovitt on Sept 12, 2019 8:58:10 GMT
The Sontarans in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky. Why choose a fully populated planet (that's more than prepared to fight back) to convert when you could convert literally any other planet in our solar system? Even if they didn't have the terraforming technology (which I find unlikely), they could still have manipulated Luke to create the tech and then stolen it from him. Beyond that, they were more than prepared for UNIT to take over the factory, which is something they couldn't have guaranteed was going to happen. If they hadn't, the Sontarans wouldn't have had any method of stopping the launch of the nuclear missiles. There just seem to be so many assumptions in their "stratagem" that relied on other people making the 'right decisions' for them that it's amazing that so much of it went off as planned. (Doesn't stop me from liking the story though )
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Post by sherlock on Sept 12, 2019 9:06:47 GMT
The Sontarans in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky. Why choose a fully populated planet (that's more than prepared to fight back) to convert when you could convert literally any other planet in our solar system? Even if they didn't have the terraforming technology (which I find unlikely), they could still have manipulated Luke to create the tech and then stolen it from him. Beyond that, they were more than prepared for UNIT to take over the factory, which is something they couldn't have guaranteed was going to happen. If they hadn't, the Sontarans wouldn't have had any method of stopping the launch of the nuclear missiles. There just seem to be so many assumptions in their "stratagem" that relied on other people making the 'right decisions' for them that it's amazing that so much of it went off as planned. (Doesn't stop me from liking the story though ) On the theme of Sontarans: why is Styre doing such in-depth analysis of humanity in The Sontaran Experiment as by that point in time humanity has mostly abandoned Earth and there is barely any people on the planet to resist a Sontarans takeover?
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Post by Whovitt on Sept 12, 2019 9:23:11 GMT
The Sontarans in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky. Why choose a fully populated planet (that's more than prepared to fight back) to convert when you could convert literally any other planet in our solar system? Even if they didn't have the terraforming technology (which I find unlikely), they could still have manipulated Luke to create the tech and then stolen it from him. Beyond that, they were more than prepared for UNIT to take over the factory, which is something they couldn't have guaranteed was going to happen. If they hadn't, the Sontarans wouldn't have had any method of stopping the launch of the nuclear missiles. There just seem to be so many assumptions in their "stratagem" that relied on other people making the 'right decisions' for them that it's amazing that so much of it went off as planned. (Doesn't stop me from liking the story though ) On the theme of Sontarans: why is Styre doing such in-depth analysis of humanity in The Sontaran Experiment as by that point in time humanity has mostly abandoned Earth and there is barely any people on the planet to resist a Sontarans takeover? It's been a little while since I've seen it, but I thought it was a different area of space with lots of human colonies that they were going to invade? They just happened to find the humans on Earth and they decided to do the experiments so they knew their enemies better. (I'm probably completely wrong. I might have just auto-corrected the plot in my head over the years)
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Post by number13 on Sept 12, 2019 11:51:01 GMT
The Sontarans in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky. Why choose a fully populated planet (that's more than prepared to fight back) to convert when you could convert literally any other planet in our solar system? Even if they didn't have the terraforming technology (which I find unlikely), they could still have manipulated Luke to create the tech and then stolen it from him. Beyond that, they were more than prepared for UNIT to take over the factory, which is something they couldn't have guaranteed was going to happen. If they hadn't, the Sontarans wouldn't have had any method of stopping the launch of the nuclear missiles. There just seem to be so many assumptions in their "stratagem" that relied on other people making the 'right decisions' for them that it's amazing that so much of it went off as planned. (Doesn't stop me from liking the story though ) On the theme of Sontarans: why is Styre doing such in-depth analysis of humanity in The Sontaran Experiment as by that point in time humanity has mostly abandoned Earth and there is barely any people on the planet to resist a Sontarans takeover? I've always suspected that however he sold it to the Marshal, Styre is just enjoying an outdoor activities weekend, Sontaran style... He really is a nasty piece of work!
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