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Post by Admin on Dec 18, 2015 10:15:31 GMT
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Post by yiffniff on Dec 18, 2015 11:23:49 GMT
I thought this was just fantastic. And I could listen to John Hurt drink space lemonade all day. (John freakin' Hurt!!!) Amazing. What a coup.
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Post by yiffniff on Dec 18, 2015 11:25:38 GMT
Also, it's a subtle thing, but I like hearing The War Doctor's boots every time he walks into a room.
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Post by mrperson on Dec 18, 2015 17:03:26 GMT
That was great.... ...but he hasn't done anything that convinced me that The War Doctor is "Monstrous". I mean, The Heart of the Battle I can see young Sixie sending the detonation signal in a flash, once it became obvious that there really was no other solution. I suppose that's the inherent trouble with Moffatt's concept of having a specific "War Doctor" that is disowned by the others: you have to actually show him doing things that are complete character contradictions for to be fully believable. This was a great trilogy for The Doctor. But it didn't feel like a War Doctor.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 18, 2015 21:37:13 GMT
Again, I contend (given the future Doctors reaction to him being dread rather than fear or loathing) that it's using the Moment that makes him pariah. Until that point he just thinks he's a necessary monster, but the genocide of innocents is what pushes him over that line for the others (remember, all the past attempts at genocide were directed at unambiguously evil species like Daleks, Cybermen and Vervoids).
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Post by mrperson on Dec 19, 2015 0:33:22 GMT
Again, I contend (given the future Doctors reaction to him being dread rather than fear or loathing) that it's using the Moment that makes him pariah. Until that point he just thinks he's a necessary monster, but the genocide of innocents is what pushes him over that line for the others (remember, all the past attempts at genocide were directed at unambiguously evil species like Daleks, Cybermen and Vervoids). Well, except that he repeatedly implies or states directly that he's already done horrible things in the course of this war. Some of the flashbacks hinted that he may have traded many innocent lives for a greater cause, etc. (And of course, we know that he didn't actually use the Moment after all; he only thought he did, for a couple regenerations). That said....the performances were outstanding, especially Hurt and Briggs-Owen; such a complete transformation for the latter over the series, especially that part where her voice truly seethes with bitterness and righteous anger. The stories were between good and great, depending. So this doesn't really detract from it. It's just a central problem with the concept I see. He's supposed to be a "warrior" in this regeneration, someone the rest of The Doctor would consider a monster. But show him being truly monstrous, and maybe you alienate the viewers from the character more than you'd want.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 19, 2015 3:42:29 GMT
The easiest way of showing him as "not the Doctor" would be to stick a gun in his hands, except we know now that "the first thing you see about the Doctor of War is that his hands ar empty". But opening fire on a Dalek fleet through a cloud of refugees is close.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 18:28:54 GMT
I have thoroughly enjoyed this boxset and feel it presents Nick Brigg's best writing for a long time. That is, it is to my tastes! Many people have their own ideas how The War Doctor should be written - some have said he's 'too Doctor-y' in this, despite his rejection of the title. My view is that this is just Box Set 1. This is one way to write him - melancholy, self-loathing, but still with honour and humour. But just as you wouldn't judge The Second Doctor by Power of the Daleks alone, the full premise of what the War Doctor IS shouldn't really be judged on this set alone. As it is, as an introduction to his ongoing story, it works really well for me - many moments of reflection, interaction with other appealing characters, and in the third story (at last) a true face-off with The Daleks. I loved it.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Dec 21, 2015 0:21:24 GMT
I listened to if Friday morning on the first half of my drive to my parents place. very well written and performed. I really enjoyed it, though I would have liked a fourth episode.
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Post by The Matt on Dec 21, 2015 14:06:39 GMT
Only listened to the first story so far. It's not bad per se. I just feel massively underwhelmed.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 22, 2015 20:53:56 GMT
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Post by The Matt on Dec 23, 2015 12:40:24 GMT
Finished all three one and I am still left feeling underwhelmed. The main problem for my was, surprisingly, John Hurt. In places he was awesome in other parts he sounded like he was reading off a page. In a fair few places he seemed to leave odd pauses which sucked some drama out of the scene.. I didn't hate it but I'm in two minds over the next instalment.
I love the new theme music though. It's like a mash up of doctor who and the theme from Survivors!
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Post by hackmodford on Dec 23, 2015 14:21:10 GMT
I rather enjoyed it. I'm still not seeing what is so "monstrous" about the War Doctor, but I think the character just needs time to develop. I think it's so exciting that Big Finish has a new sandbox to explore!
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Post by constonks on Dec 23, 2015 15:06:19 GMT
I rather enjoyed it. I'm still not seeing what is so "monstrous" about the War Doctor, but I think the character just needs time to develop. I think it's so exciting that Big Finish has a new sandbox to explore! And in the extras they said some "familiar faces" would be popping up. I hope these familiar faces hail from the classic series, I really do.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 23, 2015 16:53:33 GMT
I rather enjoyed it. I'm still not seeing what is so "monstrous" about the War Doctor, but I think the character just needs time to develop. I think it's so exciting that Big Finish has a new sandbox to explore! And in the extras they said some "familiar faces" would be popping up. I hope these familiar faces hail from the classic series, I really do. I'm hoping for Timothy Dalton and/or Derek Jacobi. Some of the characters from Gallifrey would also be nice though.
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Post by constonks on Dec 23, 2015 18:27:40 GMT
And in the extras they said some "familiar faces" would be popping up. I hope these familiar faces hail from the classic series, I really do. I'm hoping for Timothy Dalton and/or Derek Jacobi. Some of the characters from Gallifrey would also be nice though. Or Alex Macqueen!
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Dec 23, 2015 18:48:35 GMT
I'm hoping for Timothy Dalton and/or Derek Jacobi. Some of the characters from Gallifrey would also be nice though. Or Alex Macqueen! Narvin or Leela would be pretty sweet.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 23, 2015 19:28:38 GMT
The General would also be cool.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 25, 2015 17:36:32 GMT
While I'm annoyed that Moffat didn't feature Paul McGann as the Eighth Doctor in DOTD, that quibble aside I loved this box set & thought it gave the listener a bit more insight into the emotions & thoughts of the War Doctor.
John Hurt was magnificent & added a weary battle scarred tone to the War Doctor whom is still very doctorish, Lucy Briggs-Owen (Any relation to Nick Briggs?) & Carolyn Seymour were very good as was Jacqueline Pearce even if her character is basically playing Servalan on Gallifrey.
Nick Briggs shows he can write quality stories when he puts his mind to it & this War Doctor mini series is a marked improvement over some of his recent weaker scripted Fourth Doctor story's.
Gets a 9/10 from ole Timelord-007
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 0:45:56 GMT
It was...OK this set. I can't lie and say it was anything more than that. I would have thought it would be darker for starters. Much of this could have been any number of the other Doctors. I want more of the Full Fathom Five feel (if not actions!) for War.
Still....it's JOHN HURT doing Big Finish. What lucky gooses we are!
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