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Post by frisby78 on Jan 26, 2020 21:03:12 GMT
Regarding Life in Ruins, a great performance from McGann but it doesn't tally with the quite chipper Doctor at the beginning of the mini Episode, so maybe he does find hope somewhere and somehow.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 26, 2020 22:26:45 GMT
Regarding Life in Ruins, a great performance from McGann but it doesn't tally with the quite chipper Doctor at the beginning of the mini Episode, so maybe he does find hope somewhere and somehow. I assume the chipper Doctor at the start is just him putting on a front to calm Cass down as he rescues her, once he’s resurrected his mood seems to shift quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 22:33:26 GMT
Regarding Life in Ruins, a great performance from McGann but it doesn't tally with the quite chipper Doctor at the beginning of the mini Episode, so maybe he does find hope somewhere and somehow. I assume the chipper Doctor at the start is just him putting on a front to calm Cass down as he rescues her, once he’s resurrected his mood seems to shift quickly. Yeah, I see it as his one last attempt to try and be the Doctor. Business as usual as it were. Trouble is, the Time War is too far gone and the universe has changed far too much for him to carry on like nothing has changed.
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Post by chronotis on Feb 25, 2020 20:14:18 GMT
I think I'm almost finished with Time War stories.
Now we've lost Hurt and Pearce, there isn't currently an 8th Dr set listed for 2021 and certain people have left the war, there aren't many characters still around that I feel a need to follow.
That being said, I'll still definitely still buy the War Master sets and any 8th Dr Time War sets that appear.
I've loved everything I've heard, but it's time for me to listen to other things.
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 26, 2020 0:07:56 GMT
I think I'm almost finished with Time War stories. Now we've lost Hurt and Pearce, there isn't currently an 8th Dr set listed for 2021 and certain people have left the war, there aren't many characters still around that I feel a need to follow. That being said, I'll still definitely still buy the War Master sets and any 8th Dr Time War sets that appear. I've loved everything I've heard, but it's time for me to listen to other things. I have to agree. I'll carry on getting Gallifrey but I'm kinda bored with the Time War now.
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 26, 2020 13:25:04 GMT
I think I'm almost finished with Time War stories. Now we've lost Hurt and Pearce, there isn't currently an 8th Dr set listed for 2021 and certain people have left the war, there aren't many characters still around that I feel a need to follow. That being said, I'll still definitely still buy the War Master sets and any 8th Dr Time War sets that appear. I've loved everything I've heard, but it's time for me to listen to other things. I have to agree. I'll carry on getting Gallifrey but I'm kinda bored with the Time War now. Well I am really looking forward to The Eighth Doctor : Time War 4 more than I have been with the previous couple. A combination of set 3 being a big step up and the fact I feel ambivalent about Stranded. I haven’t finished Gallifrey TW3 yet, but I have TW4 ordered, plus it seems we will get more Time War Master soon and I still hope that Big Finish will give us The War Doctor Chronicles, so I am happy for the War to continue. However, unless they have plans for him in Gallifrey TW4, I would like the Eighth Doctor to have some stories from earlier in his timeline. After all it is Charley’s 20th in 2021...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 14:51:08 GMT
I would like the Eighth Doctor to have some stories from earlier in his timeline. After all it is Charley’s 20th in 2021... I would happily swap Eighth Doctor 'Time War' stories for some fresh adventures from his past. Anniversary adventures with Charley Pollard would be great but Eighth Doctor stories with other companions - like Mary Shelley - would work well for me too. All this 'Time War' stuff bores me.
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Post by elkawho on Feb 26, 2020 18:39:40 GMT
I would like the Eighth Doctor to have some stories from earlier in his timeline. After all it is Charley’s 20th in 2021... I would happily swap Eighth Doctor 'Time War' stories for some fresh adventures from his past. Anniversary adventures with Charley Pollard would be great but Eighth Doctor stories with other companions - like Mary Shelley - would work well for me too. All this 'Time War' stuff bores me. Yes! And more Lucie!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 19:02:25 GMT
A relief to see that more posters are getting fatigued with the Time War, and it is not just me. It seems an overworked seam. Must admit I feel the need for box sets is a bit of a bind for the Eighth Doctor too. A return to the Main Range with two disc standalone tales as part of a loose 'season' or a revival of the Eighth Doctor Adventures range would get me buying again. I seem to have bailed out after Doom Coalition 4.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 26, 2020 20:00:36 GMT
I am hoping that volumes 4 of Eighth Doctor: Time War and Gallifrey are the endings of those respective series. I’m enjoying Time War material but really don’t want them to become perpetual series and oversaturate.
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Post by xlozdob on Feb 26, 2020 21:23:06 GMT
A relief to see that more posters are getting fatigued with the Time War, and it is not just me. It seems an overworked seam. Must admit I feel the need for box sets is a bit of a bind for the Eighth Doctor too. A return to the Main Range with two disc standalone tales as part of a loose 'season' or a revival of the Eighth Doctor Adventures range would get me buying again. I seem to have bailed out after Doom Coalition 4. For me, the only fatigue-inducing thing is the storyline being so fragmented and feeling as if it's not building towards anything. If the different boxsets had been planned and produced as one connected, if maybe not continuing as such, story spread across multiple ranges, it would feel less boring/retread of the same beats again and again. Okay, perhaps not with the War Doctor, as that came before, but after that it should have been constructed as a multi-range project, not just a tag for the website. Start with Gallifrey and War Master volumes 1, and build towards the first appearance of the Doctor, who we then see how he got there in a prequel of sorts in his first volume. Something like that. Use the Time War characters from BF and TV in Gallifrey to start with, integrate them in an organic way. It seems they're trying to steer it in that direction with things like Susan's War, which builds on a previous story and features characters like Veklin, Rasmus and the Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 22:02:06 GMT
A relief to see that more posters are getting fatigued with the Time War, and it is not just me. It seems an overworked seam. Must admit I feel the need for box sets is a bit of a bind for the Eighth Doctor too. A return to the Main Range with two disc standalone tales as part of a loose 'season' or a revival of the Eighth Doctor Adventures range would get me buying again. I seem to have bailed out after Doom Coalition 4. For me, the only fatigue-inducing thing is the storyline being so fragmented and feeling as if it's not building towards anything. If the different boxsets had been planned and produced as one connected, if maybe not continuing as such, story spread across multiple ranges, it would feel less boring/retread of the same beats again and again. Okay, perhaps not with the War Doctor, as that came before, but after that it should have been constructed as a multi-range project, not just a tag for the website. Start with Gallifrey and War Master volumes 1, and build towards the first appearance of the Doctor, who we then see how he got there in a prequel of sorts in his first volume. Something like that. Use the Time War characters from BF and TV in Gallifrey to start with, integrate them in an organic way. It seems they're trying to steer it in that direction with things like Susan's War, which builds on a previous story and features characters like Veklin, Rasmus and the Doctor. That's fair enough. It sells, so it has a following. I think part of the issue to myself, is alluded to by yourself, in terms of not building up to a cohesive final denouement. I suppose that's part of the problem with the Daleks. When you have a foe that can never be truly defeated once and for all (any more than the lead character), that you always know they will return, then it becomes situational, with a procession of temporary companions introduced to serve as some form of collateral damage each time. I fully agree with you that if they had a very finite beginning, middle and end point which leads into what we learnt on-screen regards the conclusion/resolution for both parties, then it would have been a more engaging proposition. An Epic, rather than a melodramatic miniseries. As it is, I get the feeling that it is being opened up further all the time, and like a blast wave detonated by the Daleks themselves, loses more force from its initial destructive impact the longer it pans out.
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Post by xlozdob on Feb 26, 2020 22:34:22 GMT
For me, the only fatigue-inducing thing is the storyline being so fragmented and feeling as if it's not building towards anything. If the different boxsets had been planned and produced as one connected, if maybe not continuing as such, story spread across multiple ranges, it would feel less boring/retread of the same beats again and again. Okay, perhaps not with the War Doctor, as that came before, but after that it should have been constructed as a multi-range project, not just a tag for the website. Start with Gallifrey and War Master volumes 1, and build towards the first appearance of the Doctor, who we then see how he got there in a prequel of sorts in his first volume. Something like that. Use the Time War characters from BF and TV in Gallifrey to start with, integrate them in an organic way. It seems they're trying to steer it in that direction with things like Susan's War, which builds on a previous story and features characters like Veklin, Rasmus and the Doctor. That's fair enough. It sells, so it has a following. I think part of the issue to myself, is alluded to by yourself, in terms of not building up to a cohesive final denouement. I suppose that's part of the problem with the Daleks. When you have a foe that can never be truly defeated once and for all (any more than the lead character), that you always know they will return, then it becomes situational, with a procession of temporary companions introduced to serve as some form of collateral damage each time. I fully agree with you that if they had a very finite beginning, middle and end point which leads into what we learnt on-screen regards the conclusion/resolution for both parties, then it would have been a more engaging proposition. An Epic, rather than a melodramatic miniseries. As it is, I get the feeling that it is being opened up further all the time, and like a blast wave detonated by the Daleks themselves, loses more force from its initial destructive impact the longer it pans out. That is exactly it, couldn't have put it better myself. In terms of the foe being defeated or not, I have personally never found the daleks that interesting to begin with. But, even knowing the end point of the War, or perhaps because of that, I think the dramatic stakes are there to make brilliant character drama that builds up with the decisions of the main characters, and I think to a degree it's been done. But the reason why it's melodramatic instead of epic is because those decisions don't an impact outside of their self-contained stories, so that lessens the impact of using the same setting and has exactly that effect, it opens up instead of becoming more concrete and these stories are lost in the ether. I think the main problem is that they might have thought that by doing this it keeps the Time War somewhat mysterious, whereas the opposite has happened. If you tell one story, from the point of view of a few selected characters, the rest of the War remains a mystery, and you only see a single, though somewhat complete, slice of it, instead of many bitesized, unconnected bits that ultimately don't work well together. But I think they've realised this and are taking steps in the right direction. They could even retcon some things to work in a better way together. I'm confident by the time they decide to move on from the Time War as a "current" setting, they'll have made a decent enough era of it.
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 26, 2020 23:37:49 GMT
A nice idea in principle but for people who only follow certain ranges it would be irksome if they miss plot elements because they miss releases. This is why I loath the seemingly endless comic cross overs.
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Post by xlozdob on Feb 27, 2020 11:36:59 GMT
A nice idea in principle but for people who only follow certain ranges it would be irksome if they miss plot elements because they miss releases. This is why I loath the seemingly endless comic cross overs. Understandable. That's why I think Gallifrey should've been the main Time War series with the other ranges being sidesteps and spin-offs. Although I might be wrong in thinking that would be a solution, since I love cross-over events.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 28, 2020 21:31:54 GMT
Hmm. Chiming into the discussion... I had another thought. The whole Time War setting could be just that, a setting. As seen in what Black Library did with the Horus Heresy- it started out and everybody hoped they would get to the awesome final battles soon. The setting hung around for more than a decade before we finally arrived at Terra. That is not to say that there weren't any awesome stories- there were quite a few really good books in there. But after years of stalling, the setting grew a bit stale. This might be exactly the type of pitfall BF could fall into. And another thing- at least Black Library has some fantastic writers around who do amazing military sci-fi. I know Doctor Who is not really "military", but this is certainly lacking. Just imagine what a genius like Dan Abnett could have done with the War Doctor. Or what he still could do with Gallifrey... His military sci-fi is fantastic and his characters are believable and he writes in such a graphic way that real war veterans come up to him for a chat. Dan Abnett has written for Big Finish before- why not invite him back?
(I admit I am a HUGE fan of Dan's books)
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 1, 2020 8:38:41 GMT
The cover for Time War 4: The War Pescatons is out on facebook (it's glorious!) however the site isn't updated yet...
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Post by Whovitt on Apr 1, 2020 8:42:31 GMT
The cover for Time War 4: The War Pescatons is out on facebook (it's glorious!) however the site isn't updated yet... I'm not sure whether it's you or Big Finish pulling the April Fools here I can't find the image on their Facebook or Twitter.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 1, 2020 8:43:35 GMT
The cover for Time War 4: The War Pescatons is out on facebook (it's glorious!) however the site isn't updated yet... I'm not sure whether it's you or Big Finish pulling the April Fools here I can't find the image on their Facebook or Twitter. It was posted on facebook. Did a bit more digging and I suspect its a fake. !
Check "Big Finish Audio"
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Post by Whovitt on Apr 1, 2020 8:44:57 GMT
I'm not sure whether it's you or Big Finish pulling the April Fools here I can't find the image on their Facebook or Twitter. It was posted on facebook. Did a bit more digging and I suspect its a fake. !
Check "Big Finish Audio"
Wait, did you really think that was real? EDIT: I'll look really stupid if it is...
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