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Post by number13 on Aug 6, 2020 12:27:37 GMT
Cant wait to grab this on DVD when it arrives in stores i wonder if there will be an announcement for the next story to get the animation treatment soon? I hope they pick a Hartnell story sooner than later. I know it's easier to keep reusing the Second Doctor assets they've created, but show Doctor One some love. My most wanted would be Marco Polo and DMP. Which I know is unrealistic, but what about something like Smugglers? They could even use the Ben and Polly stuff made already, couldn't they? I'd also love 'Marco Polo' but I remember reading on here that the number of different costumes involved in the historicals was a problem. (And presumably they would expect lower sales of an historical. ) Easy to dip into the BBC's huge costume stores in the old days, but for animation they have to create each character individually and even in 'The Smugglers' there are many and all dressed differently - a motley crew, literally!
'Space/Base future' stories where most of the guest characters wear the same uniform are much easier/cheaper to animate. Right now I'm waiting eagerly for 'Fury From The Deep' so that doesn't seem too bad.
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Post by number13 on Aug 6, 2020 12:36:04 GMT
Counting the S7 Collection to come sometime, I make that a tie with 'Spearhead' - VHS, DVD, DVD 'Mannequin Mania', bluray, bluray Steelbook and the Collection to come. And the Target book and the audiobook of it of course! But I think you win for the sheer nicheness of 'The Ark in Space' Laserdisc. They weren't niche at the time - they were the future..little did we know they'd only release a few! In Tower Records (the much missed Tower Records) I picked up Ark, Morbuis, Day Of The Daleks and The Five Doctors over the piece. I'm not sure anymore were ever made. Maybe in Japan where the format thrived but I don't know. I meant the whole technology, even the players were 'niche' - I never knew anyone who had one and only saw two outside a store, ever! (And I had friends who bought Betamax. ) One player in the local library, and the other was about 10 years later as part of a display about 'The Domesday Project' (I think that was its title - a contemporary 'snapshot' of Britain stored on laserdisc was the idea) by which time it was an historical curiosity itself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:45:58 GMT
They weren't niche at the time - they were the future..little did we know they'd only release a few! In Tower Records (the much missed Tower Records) I picked up Ark, Morbuis, Day Of The Daleks and The Five Doctors over the piece. I'm not sure anymore were ever made. Maybe in Japan where the format thrived but I don't know. I meant the whole technology, even the players were 'niche' - I never knew anyone who had one and only saw two outside a store, ever! (And I had friends who bought Betamax. ) One player in the local library, and the other was about 10 years later as part of a display about 'The Domesday Project' (I think that was it's title - a contemporary 'snapshot' of Britain was the idea) by which time it was an historical curiosity itself. Oh, I loved it. We had two - we got a previously used one from Radio Rentals then a brand new one that switched the laser round so you didn't have to flip the disc half way through the film. I've still got that second Laserdisc player, works perfectly! As a film fan, a LOT of commentaries and extras were never ported over from LD to DVD or bluray so some amazing things are still exclusive to the format. Things like commentaries from people you'd imagine were gone before "special features" - I've got commentaries from Jimmy Stewart! And Bond commentaries that were never ported over as Terence Young, Peter Hunt and Richard Maibum use hompphobic slurs, racist terms and are more misogynistic than the films! When people ask "Why does a commentary sometimes go quiet for 30 seconds?", that's why! LDs though are notorious for laser-rot. I know we've all heard the "CDs will only last for 20 years" when we've got CDs from the early 80s that work fine but I've got laserdiscs that discoloured and wouldn't work within a decade. Sony were notorious for their titles being affected. This has been an entirely off topic post brought to you by the Institude For Dead But Underrated Formats!
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Post by number13 on Aug 6, 2020 12:56:30 GMT
I meant the whole technology, even the players were 'niche' - I never knew anyone who had one and only saw two outside a store, ever! (And I had friends who bought Betamax. ) One player in the local library, and the other was about 10 years later as part of a display about 'The Domesday Project' (I think that was it's title - a contemporary 'snapshot' of Britain was the idea) by which time it was an historical curiosity itself. Oh, I loved it. We had two - we got a previously used one from Radio Rentals then a brand new one that switched the laser round so you didn't have to flip the disc half way through the film. I've still got that second Laserdisc player, works perfectly! As a film fan, a LOT of commentaries and extras were never ported over from LD to DVD or bluray so some amazing things are still exclusive to the format. Things like commentaries from people you'd imagine were gone before "special features" - I've got commentaries from Jimmy Stewart! And Bond commentaries that were never ported over as Terence Young, Peter Hunt and Richard Maibum use hompphobic slurs, racist terms and are more misogynistic than the films! When people ask "Why does a commentary sometimes go quiet for 30 seconds?", that's why! LDs though are notorious for laser-rot. I know we've all heard the "CDs will only last for 20 years" when we've got CDs from the early 80s that work fine but I've got laserdiscs that discoloured and wouldn't work within a decade. Sony were notorious for their titles being affected. This has been an entirely off topic post brought to you by the Institude For Dead But Underrated Formats! Some of the best posts are off-topic, and that was a good one! Yes I have CDs from 1983 that are still in perfect condition, in fact none of my collection has ever 'rotted'. (See, I was quite an 'early-adopter' for some technologies, it's not all quill pens and wax cylinders here oh no )
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 13:08:36 GMT
I hope they pick a Hartnell story sooner than later. I know it's easier to keep reusing the Second Doctor assets they've created, but show Doctor One some love. My most wanted would be Marco Polo and DMP. Which I know is unrealistic, but what about something like Smugglers? They could even use the Ben and Polly stuff made already, couldn't they? I'd also love 'Marco Polo' but I remember reading on here that the number of different costumes involved in the historicals was a problem. (And presumably they would expect lower sales of an historical. ) Easy to dip into the BBC's huge costume stores in the old days, but for animation they have to create each character individually and even in 'The Smugglers' there are many and all dressed differently - a motley crew, literally!
'Space/Base future' stories where most of the guest characters wear the same uniform are much easier/cheaper to animate. Right now I'm waiting eagerly for 'Fury From The Deep' so that doesn't seem too bad. Yes, it was me who posted that from Charles Norton's comments from the DWM Yearbook in late 2018 - Marco and Highlanders were cited specifically as having too many sets and intricate, and changing, costumes to be viable the way these sell. Unless animation costs come down radically due to computer tech coming along, which has happened over the last decade but would need to happen a lot more, we're not seeing those anytime soon. He also cited Daleks Master Plan for the rather obvious reason of length but even that were it shorter has a mass of costumes, sets and creatures. The BBC refusing to increase the show's budget in the 60s was a major hindrance to John Wiles, Innes Lloyd, Peter Bryant and Derrick Sherwin as they forced them to rule out many more expansive stories that the first few Hartnell series could afford, just. Yet it's exactly that hindrance for them over 50 years ago that has made these animations viable now, oddly. As you say, historicals have always been a harder sell for the show anyway. Dan Hall of 2Entertain said he knew the game was up when they practically begged fans to buy Reign Of Terror knowing that it had the sales handicaps of being black & white, historical and partly animated. It did worse than his lower estimate and he left 2E not long after, with the animations that had been commissioned by then completed...bankrupting more than one animation house along the way. It seemed that was it for the range untill Charles and the team worked their magic and figured out a way they could monetise them a bit more, with premium content through blurays, steelbooks, cinema showings, selling the rights to BBC America...fair to say they've done a bang up job. Yet to go back to the original question, Hartnell's seem unlikely right now. Basically stories as close to the ones already made are more likely than ones radically different. So, as Number 13 says, the base under siege with a limited cast and small compact sets is ideal. It's what makes a duffer like Space Pirates more realistic to imagine being produced than the infinitely more popular Marco Polo, sadly. Still - back in 2011-12 or so when the animations flopped...we'd have sold our grannies to get to where we are now!
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Post by polly on Aug 6, 2020 18:15:13 GMT
I'd also love 'Marco Polo' but I remember reading on here that the number of different costumes involved in the historicals was a problem. (And presumably they would expect lower sales of an historical. ) Easy to dip into the BBC's huge costume stores in the old days, but for animation they have to create each character individually and even in 'The Smugglers' there are many and all dressed differently - a motley crew, literally!
'Space/Base future' stories where most of the guest characters wear the same uniform are much easier/cheaper to animate. Right now I'm waiting eagerly for 'Fury From The Deep' so that doesn't seem too bad. Yes, it was me who posted that from Charles Norton's comments from the DWM Yearbook in late 2018 - Marco and Highlanders were cited specifically as having too many sets and intricate, and changing, costumes to be viable the way these sell. Unless animation costs come down radically due to computer tech coming along, which has happened over the last decade but would need to happen a lot more, we're not seeing those anytime soon. He also cited Daleks Master Plan for the rather obvious reason of length but even that were it shorter has a mass of costumes, sets and creatures. The BBC refusing to increase the show's budget in the 60s was a major hindrance to John Wiles, Innes Lloyd, Peter Bryant and Derrick Sherwin as they forced them to rule out many more expansive stories that the first few Hartnell series could afford, just. Yet it's exactly that hindrance for them over 50 years ago that has made these animations viable now, oddly. As you say, historicals have always been a harder sell for the show anyway. Dan Hall of 2Entertain said he knew the game was up when they practically begged fans to buy Reign Of Terror knowing that it had the sales handicaps of being black & white, historical and partly animated. It did worse than his lower estimate and he left 2E not long after, with the animations that had been commissioned by then completed...bankrupting more than one animation house along the way. It seemed that was it for the range untill Charles and the team worked their magic and figured out a way they could monetise them a bit more, with premium content through blurays, steelbooks, cinema showings, selling the rights to BBC America...fair to say they've done a bang up job. Yet to go back to the original question, Hartnell's seem unlikely right now. Basically stories as close to the ones already made are more likely than ones radically different. So, as Number 13 says, the base under siege with a limited cast and small compact sets is ideal. It's what makes a duffer like Space Pirates more realistic to imagine being produced than the infinitely more popular Marco Polo, sadly. Still - back in 2011-12 or so when the animations flopped...we'd have sold our grannies to get to where we are now! Darn you two and your reasonable extrapolations ruining my dream! That all makes sense though, but I'm curious what they'll do once they run out of "suitable" Troughtons. If they were going to do them all so they can sell complete BluRay seasons, you'd think staggering the big hits (money-wise) with the not-so-big ones would make sense. If they're not going to do them all, when they run out of space stories, do they just stop and leave the rest unfinished? I suppose even the animators don't really know what the future holds. I suppose if they had to snip out parts of Macra, then an extravagant historical is surely out of the question.
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Post by number13 on Aug 6, 2020 22:12:21 GMT
I'd also love 'Marco Polo' but I remember reading on here that the number of different costumes involved in the historicals was a problem. (And presumably they would expect lower sales of an historical. ) Easy to dip into the BBC's huge costume stores in the old days, but for animation they have to create each character individually and even in 'The Smugglers' there are many and all dressed differently - a motley crew, literally!
'Space/Base future' stories where most of the guest characters wear the same uniform are much easier/cheaper to animate. Right now I'm waiting eagerly for 'Fury From The Deep' so that doesn't seem too bad. Yes, it was me who posted that from Charles Norton's comments from the DWM Yearbook in late 2018 - Marco and Highlanders were cited specifically as having too many sets and intricate, and changing, costumes to be viable the way these sell. Unless animation costs come down radically due to computer tech coming along, which has happened over the last decade but would need to happen a lot more, we're not seeing those anytime soon. He also cited Daleks Master Plan for the rather obvious reason of length but even that were it shorter has a mass of costumes, sets and creatures. The BBC refusing to increase the show's budget in the 60s was a major hindrance to John Wiles, Innes Lloyd, Peter Bryant and Derrick Sherwin as they forced them to rule out many more expansive stories that the first few Hartnell series could afford, just. Yet it's exactly that hindrance for them over 50 years ago that has made these animations viable now, oddly. As you say, historicals have always been a harder sell for the show anyway. Dan Hall of 2Entertain said he knew the game was up when they practically begged fans to buy Reign Of Terror knowing that it had the sales handicaps of being black & white, historical and partly animated. It did worse than his lower estimate and he left 2E not long after, with the animations that had been commissioned by then completed...bankrupting more than one animation house along the way. It seemed that was it for the range untill Charles and the team worked their magic and figured out a way they could monetise them a bit more, with premium content through blurays, steelbooks, cinema showings, selling the rights to BBC America...fair to say they've done a bang up job. Yet to go back to the original question, Hartnell's seem unlikely right now. Basically stories as close to the ones already made are more likely than ones radically different. So, as Number 13 says, the base under siege with a limited cast and small compact sets is ideal. It's what makes a duffer like Space Pirates more realistic to imagine being produced than the infinitely more popular Marco Polo, sadly. Still - back in 2011-12 or so when the animations flopped...we'd have sold our grannies to get to where we are now! Thanks Davy, I thought it was probably you who'd posted it on here, but 'the memory cheats' sometimes.
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Post by ollychops on Aug 14, 2020 16:11:30 GMT
I hope we get a Hartnell animation soon, but I feel like they’re focusing on Troughton right now. Though, I do think if they do decide to go with a Hartnell, one of the most obvious ones to do first would probably be Galaxy 4 - it’s not the most well-received story, but there’s a small cast of characters and not too many different locations so I feel like that one is going to be the go-to for Hartnell.
If they do more Troughton, I’m hoping/expecting it to be either Evil of the Daleks or the Abominable Snowmen next...
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Post by Whovitt on Aug 17, 2020 12:17:31 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 22, 2020 12:30:32 GMT
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Maybe hope for The Highlanders after all
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Post by number13 on Aug 22, 2020 12:42:13 GMT
/photo/1 Maybe hope for The Highlanders after all I'd love to think so, but 'no easier or more difficult than any other historical' means the historicals are all equally 'difficult' in the sense of all having large casts of individually costumed characters and probably lower sales. Which is a real pity, I would especially love to see 'Marco Polo' and The Highlanders', and 'The Crusade' completed.
Maybe in time, technology will make animation significantly easier & cheaper relative to now, as it already has done relative to the days of hand-drawn frames.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 31, 2020 14:31:15 GMT
Does anyone know when Fury from The Deep will be released on DVD in Australia?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 31, 2020 14:49:25 GMT
I reckon they’ll give The Highlanders a crack once they’ve finished the rest of the Troughton era.
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Post by Whovitt on Aug 31, 2020 23:25:06 GMT
Does anyone know when Fury from The Deep will be released on DVD in Australia? It should be out on November 11th as far as I can tell (I posted about it a little further up the page )
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Post by shallacatop on Sept 7, 2020 20:44:42 GMT
Great trailer, love the animation style. Zoom took the money out of my account for the steelbook in the early hours (resulting in my bank’s fraud squad ringing me this morning!) and it’s marked as “Sent to Warehouse”, so hopefully we’ll be receiving this at the weekend with any luck.
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Post by number13 on Sept 7, 2020 22:42:08 GMT
'Exciting trailer, Mr.Oak.' 'Very exciting, Mr, Quill.'
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Post by shallacatop on Sept 12, 2020 10:52:59 GMT
My steelbook has just arrived. Looking forward to getting stuck in at some point this weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 11:20:45 GMT
Me too, the traditional Zoom early delivery!
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