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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 17:52:53 GMT
Got the Amazon email this morning saying it would be here tomorrow. Then another to say it would be here today - 17.30-20.30 Finally its on the tracker - 4 stops away. Saves checking the porchway every 10 mins....
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Post by mrperson on Sept 12, 2020 18:57:21 GMT
Amazon UK won't deliver the region-free DVD to me in the states? I've gotten both region-free and UK-region (I devoted my computer's DVD drive to region 2) shipped here before.
Weird. I guess I can get the region 1 DVD from amazon, but...odd...
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 14, 2020 10:05:03 GMT
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Post by number13 on Sept 14, 2020 12:13:29 GMT
Fury From the Deep has just foamed through our letterbox... *hiss bubble hisssss*
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Post by mark687 on Sept 14, 2020 15:52:40 GMT
Oh this is Good! I loved the Soundtrack but there was always extra pop and hiss on Eps 4 and 5 (even on CD), not so here its crystal clear. The animation's fairly fluid, mix of animation and still photos for background stuff,really well done all round.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 18:12:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 18:17:15 GMT
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It's tangerine....not orange
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Post by ljwilson on Sept 18, 2020 19:29:00 GMT
I only have a handful of Doctor Who on DVD, but this looks great and will be on my Christmas list (which will soon be here, like every year!)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 22:58:38 GMT
Viewed Episode 1 tonight (before watching 28 Weeks Later - 28 Days Later last Saturday). Classy in Black & White. This is the most watchable animation I have seen for a long time (Reign of Terror). Great (fantastic) backgrounds and facial features. A good sense of movement and 'animatedness' from the body parts to keep things in motion. Plus its just such a fast moving and rapidly unfolding story. How on earth did this get junked? Kudos to Gary Russell and the 'Big Finish Creative' multi disciplinary, international team for moving forward the Animations project.
This is as good an animation as I could hope for - it has contrasts that takes it past 2D and details to note, such as it being set in 1973 (hence the Delgado references). So the Second Doctor was on earth the same time as his successor was there in exile? Playing with the Unit dating there...
And as others have pointed out online, its surreal that here in 2020, Victor Maddern has made his debut as a cartoon character. What next? Sam Kidd?
Lets hope Gary Russell & Co get to do 'Evil' and 'Abominable' - this 'collective' has the stylistic edge by my tastes.
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Post by randomcomments on Sept 27, 2020 17:42:16 GMT
Amazon UK won't deliver the region-free DVD to me in the states? I've gotten both region-free and UK-region (I devoted my computer's DVD drive to region 2) shipped here before.
Weird. I guess I can get the region 1 DVD from amazon, but...odd...
COVID has "temporarily" affected some of what they will ship overseas.
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 28, 2020 7:57:06 GMT
Viewed Episode 1 tonight (before watching 28 Weeks Later - 28 Days Later last Saturday). Classy in Black & White. This is the most watchable animation I have seen for a long time (Reign of Terror). Great (fantastic) backgrounds and facial features. A good sense of movement and 'animatedness' from the body parts to keep things in motion. Plus its just such a fast moving and rapidly unfolding story. How on earth did this get junked? Kudos to Gary Russell and the 'Big Finish Creative' multi disciplinary, international team for moving forward the Animations project. This is as good an animation as I could hope for - it has contrasts that takes it past 2D and details to note, such as it being set in 1973 (hence the Delgado references). So the Second Doctor was on earth the same time as his successor was there in exile? Playing with the Unit dating there... And as others have pointed out online, its surreal that here in 2020, Victor Maddern has made his debut as a cartoon character. What next? Sam Kidd? Lets hope Gary Russell & Co get to do 'Evil' and 'Abominable' - this 'collective' has the stylistic edge by my tastes. It's interesting comparing the animation on Faceless and Fury. Fury is definitely the better of the 2 overall, although I would say that Martin Geraghty's character art in Faceless is better than the equivalent on Fury.
Between the 2, the Delgado Wanted poster is getting to be a bit old hat. The poster in Fury could have been there since 1966 (ref. Faceless Ones animation) so it doesn't necessarily mean Seasons 8-10 took place in 1973!
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 9, 2020 5:48:43 GMT
I regret what I'm about to say, but I didn't really enjoy this animation very much, pretty much from the get go. It would seem rare that modern techniques could look worse than a Classic era attempt at a TARDIS materialisation, but the laziness of having the stationary TARDIS slowly descending the screen to land on stationary water was a really bad way to open the story.
Beyond that, this feels like it was the rough edit of the animation. Particularly in the first two episodes (I got too annoyed with it after that, so I stopped looking at the screen so much and just listened to the story), there were several instances of character models finishing their sentences then clearly beginning to speak again before the camera cut to a totally different character who was actually talking. There were a couple of examples where words weren't even animated but were still in the soundtrack. There were at least two instances throughout the story where I'm certain they had the wrong people speaking lines (one of them was clearly somebody else). It just needed a fined-toothed combing and these issues would have been corrected, but the fact they weren't really bugs me.
Then there are the changes to the characters. I don't mind the larger sets and stuff like that. Even though I don't like the changes made to The Macra Terror, I understand why they were done. But the internationalisation of the non-speaking workers in Fury felt very ham-fisted. We know that's not what it would have looked like back then, so why bother changing that now? Also, Price was randomly given a wheelchair in the animated version. The guy was just sitting down for most of the story, but the studio trims clearly show the Doctor taking his arm and pulling/walking him away from his station, so I don't know why the wheelchair was necessary. Much like making the crew more multi-cultural, it feels like a weak attempt to tick boxes that simply don't need to be ticked on a production from 1968.
I'll also add my voice to those irritated by the likes of the Delgado posters in the backgrounds. I was pulled out of the story every single time they appeared. Again, it makes absolutely no sense for them to be there, so why do it? Even the loudspeaker had an International Electromatics logo on it, with the slogan "Be like us". Maybe these things are just intended for other people who appreciate these kinds of references, but I'm the kind of person who only appreciates them in extended media, not by tacking them tastelessly into pre-existing material. How would people feel if they super-imposed Delgado posters into The Enemy of the World when they release it on Blu-ray? If you wouldn't do it with the originals, what's the justification for doing it when you're supposed to be recreating them?
It's weird, but I find myself longing for the days of Dan Hall's producership of the animations. They were always reasonably authentic (except for The Reign of Terror, that thing was a mess...) to what the originals would have been without all these needless "Easter eggs". I just wanted to enjoy Fury from the Deep in a fully-animated visual form, and now I feel like I would have probably enjoyed the experience more if I'd thrown on the recon...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 9, 2020 9:46:31 GMT
I regret what I'm about to say, but I didn't really enjoy this animation very much, pretty much from the get go. It would seem rare that modern techniques could look worse than a Classic era attempt at a TARDIS materialisation, but the laziness of having the stationary TARDIS slowly descending the screen to land on stationary water was a really bad way to open the story. Beyond that, this feels like it was the rough edit of the animation. Particularly in the first two episodes (I got too annoyed with it after that, so I stopped looking at the screen so much and just listened to the story), there were several instances of character models finishing their sentences then clearly beginning to speak again before the camera cut to a totally different character who was actually talking. There were a couple of examples where words weren't even animated but were still in the soundtrack. There were at least two instances throughout the story where I'm certain they had the wrong people speaking lines (one of them was clearly somebody else). It just needed a fined-toothed combing and these issues would have been corrected, but the fact they weren't really bugs me. Then there are the changes to the characters. I don't mind the larger sets and stuff like that. Even though I don't like the changes made to The Macra Terror, I understand why they were done. But the internationalisation of the non-speaking workers in Fury felt very ham-fisted. We know that's not what it would have looked like back then, so why bother changing that now? Also, Price was randomly given a wheelchair in the animated version. The guy was just sitting down for most of the story, but the studio trims clearly show the Doctor taking his arm and pulling/walking him away from his station, so I don't know why the wheelchair was necessary. Much like making the crew more multi-cultural, it feels like a weak attempt to tick boxes that simply don't need to be ticked on a production from 1968. I'll also add my voice to those irritated by the likes of the Delgado posters in the backgrounds. I was pulled out of the story every single time they appeared. Again, it makes absolutely no sense for them to be there, so why do it? Even the loudspeaker had an International Electromatics logo on it, with the slogan "Be like us". Maybe these things are just intended for other people who appreciate these kinds of references, but I'm the kind of person who only appreciates them in extended media, not by tacking them tastelessly into pre-existing material. How would people feel if they super-imposed Delgado posters into The Enemy of the World when they release it on Blu-ray? If you wouldn't do it with the originals, what's the justification for doing it when you're supposed to be recreating them? It's weird, but I find myself longing for the days of Dan Hall's producership of the animations. They were always reasonably authentic (except for The Reign of Terror, that thing was a mess...) to what the originals would have been without all these needless "Easter eggs". I just wanted to enjoy Fury from the Deep in a fully-animated visual form, and now I feel like I would have probably enjoyed the experience more if I'd thrown on the recon... Fair points - I suppose the internationalisation of the non-speaking parts and the inclusion of a wheelchair user could be construed as a bit of virtue-signalling on the part of the animators. It doesn't really bother me, but I can see why it could make the reconstruction seem less authentic. TBH, the Marca Terror changes annoyed me more.
As for the gratuitous continuity Easter Eggs, anyone who has ever read any of Gary Russell's original novels will not be surprised, but if anything they detracted from rather than added to the quality of the piece (for me at least)
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 9, 2020 10:17:50 GMT
I think they're perfectly fair comments. Personally I didn't notice the non-speaking parts being any different, but I am also not familiar with Fury from the Deep; the animation is my first foray into the story. The Easter Eggs didn't bother me in The Faceless Ones, but I think they do linger a little too long in Fury from the Deep. Not enough to dampen my enjoyment, but I'd understand if it did for some, as it is played to be rather "nudge nudge wink wink, see what we did there?".
A lot of it comes down to how familiar you are with the original version and how "pure" you like the animations to be. I personally like the more cinematic look, as they're enhancing what was there, rather than doing a complete overhaul. However, I think it's perfectly valid to want something more akin to what was on screen 50 years ago.
I understand what you mean about the editing. I noticed it a couple of times and it's nothing that running over the animation again couldn't fix. I think they spent that much time on getting the emotion across in the characters faces that they let the basics slip on a few occasions. The emotive looks are a big step up, but they should be a value-add, or a natural evolution, not come at a cost to the basics of bringing the animation to life.
Really enjoyed the animation nonetheless and I think the story is a great little horror.
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 9, 2020 11:26:18 GMT
I think they're perfectly fair comments. Personally I didn't notice the non-speaking parts being any different, but I am also not familiar with Fury from the Deep; the animation is my first foray into the story. The Easter Eggs didn't bother me in The Faceless Ones, but I think they do linger a little too long in Fury from the Deep. Not enough to dampen my enjoyment, but I'd understand if it did for some, as it is played to be rather "nudge nudge wink wink, see what we did there?". A lot of it comes down to how familiar you are with the original version and how "pure" you like the animations to be. I personally like the more cinematic look, as they're enhancing what was there, rather than doing a complete overhaul. However, I think it's perfectly valid to want something more akin to what was on screen 50 years ago. I understand what you mean about the editing. I noticed it a couple of times and it's nothing that running over the animation again couldn't fix. I think they spent that much time on getting the emotion across in the characters faces that they let the basics slip on a few occasions. The emotive looks are a big step up, but they should be a value-add, or a natural evolution, not come at a cost to the basics of bringing the animation to life. Really enjoyed the animation nonetheless and I think the story is a great little horror. That's where we differ - I've heard the soundtrack at least a dozen times, probably closer to two dozen, and I'm also very familiar with all the surviving footage and telesnaps. Pretty much nothing visual from the original seems to have been translated in the animated version (beyond character likenesses and costumes - even the sets are considerably different in the animation, though I do admit that that actually worked in the animation's favour). Heck, even the end of episode 5 with the five figures standing in the foam was only supposed to be Robson. Van Lutyens is taken by the foam in ep 4 and isn't ever seen again, though he crops up in the background of a few shots in ep 6. It's little stuff, but knowing what I do about the original makes it feel that little bit less "right". I guess I am a "purist", as you put it, when it comes to the animations. After the accuracy of The Faceless Ones I think I set my expectations for this one too high, which is my fault. I'll try to be more open-minded with the next animations (though I'll be excited about it no matter what - I still can't believe we're getting fully animated stories! ).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 23:13:19 GMT
The new issue of the Figurine Collection gives us confirmation that we're getting, and this is one we ALL expected sooner or later given the character models and desirability of the story, Evil Of The Daleks as an animation. AAAAAND The Abominable Snowmen too, just for good measure! My beloved Troughon era is so full now compared to the early 90s when I had only the Targets for almost all of it..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 23:17:13 GMT
The new issue of the Figurine Collection gives us confirmation that we're getting, and this is one we ALL expected sooner or later given the character models and desirability of the story, Evil Of The Daleks as an animation. Evil of the Daleks you say?
I say...
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 25, 2021 23:31:44 GMT
Absolutely unsurprising and absolutely thrilling!!! With the completion of Evil, Abominable, and Web, we'll officially be able to watch every story from The Moonbase through to Fury from the Deep without having to use audio-only/recon options any more! That means: The MoonbaseThe Macra TerrorThe Faceless OnesThe Evil of the DaleksThe Tomb of the CybermenThe Abominable SnowmenThe Ice WarriorsThe Enemy of the WorldThe Web of FearFury from the DeepA 10-story run from the Troughton period!!! Seriously can't express just how exciting this is! Now they just need to hurry up and announce some release dates!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 23:38:18 GMT
The new issue of the Figurine Collection gives us confirmation that we're getting, and this is one we ALL expected sooner or later given the character models and desirability of the story, Evil Of The Daleks as an animation. Evil of the Daleks you say?
I say... Sorry, I cut off this bit at the bottom "Due to budgetary costs, the Daleks will not be appearing in this story, now renamed "The Evil Of...The Evil" running length 20mins. English Subtitles. No refunds. And stop emailing us - we're never doing Master Plan" Sorry Stevo
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Post by number13 on Mar 25, 2021 23:53:54 GMT
Thrilling indeed! My three favourites (as learned from the Target books) were Abominable Snowmen, Web of Fear and Tomb. And almost nothing to see - then 1992, then 2013 and now soon to be completed with animation.
It's over 45 years since I first read 'Doctor Who and the Abominable Snowmen' (oh my giddy aunt!) and at last there will be a story to watch. And the Det-Sen EA on the way too!
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