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Post by grinch on Aug 3, 2020 14:39:39 GMT
So . . . any predictions as to which one will be next? Maybe The Celestial Toymaker? Only three episodes after all. Then again, considering the current climate they probably won’t touch that one for as long as possible. Even if you could quite easily dub over the infamous word in question. I would agree though that Evil does seem more likely.
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 3, 2020 14:46:16 GMT
I would have thought The Wheel in Space was likely - they have spent the money animating half of episode 1. At the minute that is dead money they will have to write off as a loss unless they can animate the rest and generate some revenue.
From the few interviews I've read the animators seem to be doing their own thing and not working too closely to tie in with the Blu ray releases, which is a shame.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 3, 2020 14:50:13 GMT
So . . . any predictions as to which one will be next? Rob Ritchie did do a tease a couple of months ago on twitter by saying he is working hard and had dalek dialogue in the background from The Daleks Masterplan but i doubt that it would be happening for numerous reasons- too many episodes/characters/assets despite it being a story that could be cut down and popular enough for a sale due to Daleks
Logically im going to go with The Evil of The Daleksas The Troughton and Jamie models are done and the dalek models from Power could be used or The Space Pirates (less episodes and cast members)
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 3, 2020 14:52:03 GMT
So . . . any predictions as to which one will be next? Maybe The Celestial Toymaker? Only three episodes after all. Then again, considering the current climate they probably won’t touch that one for as long as possible. Even if you could quite easily dub over the infamous word in question. I would agree though that Evil does seem more likely. I wish we would have more William Hartnell Animations Galaxy 4 would be ripe for Animation i think though The Toymaker would have all episodes animated in color similar to The Faceless Ones
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 3, 2020 14:53:31 GMT
Yes, once again they've gone all out on some amazing art for the steelbook. The normal artwork isn't as bad as something like Macra Terror was but the standards never look half as nice. If anyone wants the art as a desktop: Yep, I’m really glad that Power of the Daleks had the distinctive artwork and the colour animation as that’s what caused me to buy the steelbook. Since then I’ve pre-ordered the steelbook with each announcement of these and it’s formed a really nice collection.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 3, 2020 15:00:16 GMT
I would have thought The Wheel in Space was likely - they have spent the money animating half of episode 1. At the minute that is dead money they will have to write off as a loss unless they can animate the rest and generate some revenue. From the few interviews I've read the animators seem to be doing their own thing and not working too closely to tie in with the Blu ray releases, which is a shame. I’m not sure it is dead money; they released it with The Macra Terror, so it isn’t as if it’s never been seen. Wasn’t it commissioned for the BFI too, so presumably already paid for. I don’t really see the need for the animations and The Collection crews to sync up at this stage. They’re costed differently and the animations need to make their money back on their own terms. If they’re not financially viable for a standalone release, then they’re not going to be viable in The Collection.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 15:03:23 GMT
So . . . any predictions as to which one will be next? Rob Ritchie did do a tease a couple of months ago on twitter by saying he is working hard and had dalek dialogue in the background from The Daleks Masterplan but i doubt that it would be happening for numerous reasons- too many episodes/characters/assets despite it being a story that could be cut down and popular enough for a sale due to Daleks
Logically im going to go with The Evil of The Daleksas The Troughton and Jamie models are done and the dalek models from Power could be used or The Space Pirates (less episodes and cast members) The models being done are indeed a big factor that Charles has cited for it being more logical to stick with Troughton rather than have to start all over with Hartnell, so you're absolutely right. I think Space Pirates though is a kinda catch 22 - easier to do on paper but a notoriously dull story (came very near the bottom of the last DWM poll) with limited action for The Doctor and co. I think we'd see that only if they were confident that as fans we're gonna buy ALL of these and not pick and choose. Evil is the obvious choice both budget wise, era wise and with broader appeal thanks to the story rep and prominence of the Daleks. 5 years ago we were told any animations were not cost effective and we wouldn't see more - Charles and co turned that on it's head so hopefully with tech becoming better and more fans than ever supporting the blurays we can see minor miracles like Daleks Master Plan at some point even if it's hard to see right now. Personally I'd be willing to pay double for that, knowing it would need an epic amount of work given the length but I don't expect others who aren't as diehard to say they'd be happy to part with £50+ for one story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 15:08:07 GMT
I would have thought The Wheel in Space was likely - they have spent the money animating half of episode 1. At the minute that is dead money they will have to write off as a loss unless they can animate the rest and generate some revenue. From the few interviews I've read the animators seem to be doing their own thing and not working too closely to tie in with the Blu ray releases, which is a shame. I’m not sure it is dead money; they released it with The Macra Terror, so it isn’t as if it’s never been seen. Wasn’t it commissioned for the BFI too, so presumably already paid for. I don’t really see the need for the animations and The Collection crews to sync up at this stage. They’re costed differently and the animations need to make their money back on their own terms. If they’re not financially viable for a standalone release, then they’re not going to be viable in The Collection. Yep, Russell Minton of the Collection range has said they don't have the budget for animation of any stories so any animations that do supplement the eventual Seasons 1-6 (or William Hartnell Season 1-3 and a bit and Patrick Troughton Season 1 and a bit -3 for the North American market ) will need to be standalones first and as you say be financially viable. It means a lot of us are knowingly going to buy things twice but, well, if we didn't - then the eventual season sets would be much barer for it.
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 3, 2020 15:08:38 GMT
I would have thought The Wheel in Space was likely - they have spent the money animating half of episode 1. At the minute that is dead money they will have to write off as a loss unless they can animate the rest and generate some revenue. From the few interviews I've read the animators seem to be doing their own thing and not working too closely to tie in with the Blu ray releases, which is a shame. I’m not sure it is dead money; they released it with The Macra Terror, so it isn’t as if it’s never been seen. Wasn’t it commissioned for the BFI too, so presumably already paid for. I don’t really see the need for the animations and The Collection crews to sync up at this stage. They’re costed differently and the animations need to make their money back on their own terms. If they’re not financially viable for a standalone release, then they’re not going to be viable in The Collection. I'm not sure having it as an extra on the Macra Terror generated any additional revenue - people would likely have bought the Macra Terror anyway without the Wheel In Space. I had forgotten about the BFI - maybe that covered the costs.
Re the blu rays and animations synching up, I would say they should. If I buy the blu ray of (say) season 6 with a telesnap reconstruction of the Space Pirates and then 18 months later the animated version comes out I for one would feel pretty annoyed that my blu ray was now 2nd best and would be asking why they couldn't have waited for the animation before releasing the blu ray. If something's worth doing, it's worth doing properly!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 3, 2020 15:12:31 GMT
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 3, 2020 15:12:59 GMT
Rob Ritchie did do a tease a couple of months ago on twitter by saying he is working hard and had dalek dialogue in the background from The Daleks Masterplan but i doubt that it would be happening for numerous reasons- too many episodes/characters/assets despite it being a story that could be cut down and popular enough for a sale due to Daleks
Logically im going to go with The Evil of The Daleksas The Troughton and Jamie models are done and the dalek models from Power could be used or The Space Pirates (less episodes and cast members) The models being done are indeed a big factor that Charles has cited for it being more logical to stick with Troughton rather than have to start all over with Hartnell, so you're absolutely right. I think Space Pirates though is a kinda catch 22 - easier to do on paper but a notoriously dull story (came very near the bottom of the last DWM poll) with limited action for The Doctor and co. I think we'd see that only if they were confident that as fans we're gonna buy ALL of these and not pick and choose. Evil is the obvious choice both budget wise, era wise and with broader appeal thanks to the story rep and prominence of the Daleks. 5 years ago we were told any animations were not cost effective and we wouldn't see more - Charles and co turned that on it's head so hopefully with tech becoming better and more fans than ever supporting the blurays we can see minor miracles like Daleks Master Plan at some point even if it's hard to see right now. Personally I'd be willing to pay double for that, knowing it would need an epic amount of work given the length but I don't expect others who aren't as diehard to say they'd be happy to part with £50+ for one story. I think that is the flaw in the current business model - if they hiked up the prices of the new animations and made them limited edition releases with a promise they would not be available in any physical media for the next 5 years then the BBC could charge what they liked and they would sell out quickly. Any such promise wouldn't help the blu rays, which is where the argument I have been making across this and my previous post falls down
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 3, 2020 15:46:02 GMT
I’m not sure it is dead money; they released it with The Macra Terror, so it isn’t as if it’s never been seen. Wasn’t it commissioned for the BFI too, so presumably already paid for. I don’t really see the need for the animations and The Collection crews to sync up at this stage. They’re costed differently and the animations need to make their money back on their own terms. If they’re not financially viable for a standalone release, then they’re not going to be viable in The Collection. I'm not sure having it as an extra on the Macra Terror generated any additional revenue - people would likely have bought the Macra Terror anyway without the Wheel In Space. I had forgotten about the BFI - maybe that covered the costs.
Re the blu rays and animations synching up, I would say they should. If I buy the blu ray of (say) season 6 with a telesnap reconstruction of the Space Pirates and then 18 months later the animated version comes out I for one would feel pretty annoyed that my blu ray was now 2nd best and would be asking why they couldn't have waited for the animation before releasing the blu ray. If something's worth doing, it's worth doing properly!
Presumably they were paid for the Wheel in Space to be included as a special feature if it wasn’t already commissioned for that purpose. I guess what I’m getting at is that it isn’t dead money; it wasn’t made for the sake of being made or free of charge. I think you’re getting ahead of yourself there and saying something is a shame when it hasn’t caused any issues. It’s a moot point until it happens and even then whether or not it’s an issue is debatable; there’s so many variables in these things. Perhaps things will be different when The Collection team actively work on the sixties seasons, but as far as we’re aware, they’re currently not and therefore have no reason to sync up with the animation teams.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 3, 2020 17:58:04 GMT
Just seen an article crediting this animation to 'Big Finish Creative'. Am I right in thinking that this means that this is a new team of animators, or is it the same people who worked on 'Power' and 'Shada' and all that lot?
(People have been saying the art looks more cartoony than we've been getting.)
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 3, 2020 18:05:48 GMT
Just seen an article crediting this animation to 'Big Finish Creative'. Am I right in thinking that this means that this is a new team of animators, or is it the same people who worked on 'Power' and 'Shada' and all that lot? (People have been saying the art looks more cartoony than we've been getting.) Wasn’t there something about two different animations teams working on stories at the same time.
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Post by number13 on Aug 4, 2020 21:33:26 GMT
I’m not sure it is dead money; they released it with The Macra Terror, so it isn’t as if it’s never been seen. Wasn’t it commissioned for the BFI too, so presumably already paid for. I don’t really see the need for the animations and The Collection crews to sync up at this stage. They’re costed differently and the animations need to make their money back on their own terms. If they’re not financially viable for a standalone release, then they’re not going to be viable in The Collection. Yep, Russell Minton of the Collection range has said they don't have the budget for animation of any stories so any animations that do supplement the eventual Seasons 1-6 (or William Hartnell Season 1-3 and a bit and Patrick Troughton Season 1 and a bit -3 for the North American market ) will need to be standalones first and as you say be financially viable. It means a lot of us are knowingly going to buy things twice but, well, if we didn't - then the eventual season sets would be much barer for it. Buy things twice? You must be kidding.
Only twice? (Yes 'Spearhead From Space' I'm looking at you because I think you're the record-holder to date. Talk about Nestene replicas! And one day I'll be more than happy to buy you again in collection Season 7, one day.)
Very true, the animations and some of the collection sets are going to have a lot of overlap as we're sort of retrospectively crowd-funding all this exciting work on the early years and the Collection and I'm sure to most classic-era fans it seems great value. Agree about 'The Space Pirates' too, it's not the most exciting Robert Holmes ever but maybe there would be budget for an edited version a bit like the 'Galaxy 4' release? The story could probably be told in two animated single-episode-length sections to bookend the surviving episode.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 21:49:25 GMT
Yep, Russell Minton of the Collection range has said they don't have the budget for animation of any stories so any animations that do supplement the eventual Seasons 1-6 (or William Hartnell Season 1-3 and a bit and Patrick Troughton Season 1 and a bit -3 for the North American market ) will need to be standalones first and as you say be financially viable. It means a lot of us are knowingly going to buy things twice but, well, if we didn't - then the eventual season sets would be much barer for it. Buy things twice? You must be kidding.
Only twice? (Yes 'Spearhead From Space' I'm looking at you because I think you're the record-holder to date. Talk about Nestene replicas! And one day I'll be more than happy to buy you again in collection Season 7, one day.)
Very true, the animations and some of the collection sets are going to have a lot of overlap as we're sort of retrospectively crowd-funding all this exciting work on the early years and the Collection and I'm sure to most classic-era fans it seems great value. Agree about 'The Space Pirates' too, it's not the most exciting Robert Holmes ever but maybe there would be budget for an edited verison a bit like the 'Galaxy 4' release? The story could probably be told in two animated single-episode-length sections to bookend the surviving episode.
Well, yes indeed Spearhead would be up there if we're talking about all media but specifically talking about bluray, it's the animations that we're funding that can slot right in. The Five Doctors DVD we bought in 1999 isn't going to be much use to padding out The Collection now - or the 1992 Shada video etc. I think you are right about things like edits etc. Ultimately there won't be time to animate everything, and I think Charles has said that's never been the plan anyway - some things they just know from revenue wouldn't sell enough, or would cost too much to make anything back on. So some stories will have recons or perhaps edits. It's a minor miracle to think how much more Troughton we have to watch though. A Season 5 set 20 years ago compared to now would be quite different! Spearhead may be up there, if we tangent into other media, but Ark In Space I've owned on VHS twice, Laserdisc, DVD, DVD special edition and bluray. And the Target book. That might be the record for me. In fact, I might have had a View Finder of it too but don't quote me on that ! We are easy marks when it comes to the show. If only there were more of us, we could have everything animated in no time the amount of money we throw at Doctor Who!
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Post by number13 on Aug 5, 2020 11:19:26 GMT
Buy things twice? You must be kidding.
Only twice? (Yes 'Spearhead From Space' I'm looking at you because I think you're the record-holder to date. Talk about Nestene replicas! And one day I'll be more than happy to buy you again in collection Season 7, one day.)
Very true, the animations and some of the collection sets are going to have a lot of overlap as we're sort of retrospectively crowd-funding all this exciting work on the early years and the Collection and I'm sure to most classic-era fans it seems great value. Agree about 'The Space Pirates' too, it's not the most exciting Robert Holmes ever but maybe there would be budget for an edited verison a bit like the 'Galaxy 4' release? The story could probably be told in two animated single-episode-length sections to bookend the surviving episode.
Well, yes indeed Spearhead would be up there if we're talking about all media but specifically talking about bluray, it's the animations that we're funding that can slot right in. The Five Doctors DVD we bought in 1999 isn't going to be much use to padding out The Collection now - or the 1992 Shada video etc. I think you are right about things like edits etc. Ultimately there won't be time to animate everything, and I think Charles has said that's never been the plan anyway - some things they just know from revenue wouldn't sell enough, or would cost too much to make anything back on. So some stories will have recons or perhaps edits. It's a minor miracle to think how much more Troughton we have to watch though. A Season 5 set 20 years ago compared to now would be quite different! Spearhead may be up there, if we tangent into other media, but Ark In Space I've owned on VHS twice, Laserdisc, DVD, DVD special edition and bluray. And the Target book. That might be the record for me. In fact, I might have had a View Finder of it too but don't quote me on that ! We are easy marks when it comes to the show. If only there were more of us, we could have everything animated in no time the amount of money we throw at Doctor Who! Counting the S7 Collection to come sometime, I make that a tie with 'Spearhead' - VHS, DVD, DVD 'Mannequin Mania', bluray, bluray Steelbook and the Collection to come. And the Target book and the audiobook of it of course! But I think you win for the sheer nicheness of 'The Ark in Space' Laserdisc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 12:49:15 GMT
Well, yes indeed Spearhead would be up there if we're talking about all media but specifically talking about bluray, it's the animations that we're funding that can slot right in. The Five Doctors DVD we bought in 1999 isn't going to be much use to padding out The Collection now - or the 1992 Shada video etc. I think you are right about things like edits etc. Ultimately there won't be time to animate everything, and I think Charles has said that's never been the plan anyway - some things they just know from revenue wouldn't sell enough, or would cost too much to make anything back on. So some stories will have recons or perhaps edits. It's a minor miracle to think how much more Troughton we have to watch though. A Season 5 set 20 years ago compared to now would be quite different! Spearhead may be up there, if we tangent into other media, but Ark In Space I've owned on VHS twice, Laserdisc, DVD, DVD special edition and bluray. And the Target book. That might be the record for me. In fact, I might have had a View Finder of it too but don't quote me on that ! We are easy marks when it comes to the show. If only there were more of us, we could have everything animated in no time the amount of money we throw at Doctor Who! Counting the S7 Collection to come sometime, I make that a tie with 'Spearhead' - VHS, DVD, DVD 'Mannequin Mania', bluray, bluray Steelbook and the Collection to come. And the Target book and the audiobook of it of course! But I think you win for the sheer nicheness of 'The Ark in Space' Laserdisc. They weren't niche at the time - they were the future..little did we know they'd only release a few! In Tower Records (the much missed Tower Records) I picked up Ark, Morbuis, Day Of The Daleks and The Five Doctors over the piece. I'm not sure anymore were ever made. Maybe in Japan where the format thrived but I don't know.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 5, 2020 13:04:24 GMT
Cant wait to grab this on DVD when it arrives in stores i wonder if there will be an announcement for the next story to get the animation treatment soon?
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Post by polly on Aug 5, 2020 22:45:50 GMT
Cant wait to grab this on DVD when it arrives in stores i wonder if there will be an announcement for the next story to get the animation treatment soon? I hope they pick a Hartnell story sooner than later. I know it's easier to keep reusing the Second Doctor assets they've created, but show Doctor One some love. My most wanted would be Marco Polo and DMP. Which I know is unrealistic, but what about something like Smugglers? They could even use the Ben and Polly stuff made already, couldn't they?
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