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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 22:51:06 GMT
It might even be as easy a fix as having the characters whistle it instead. That way, you wouldn't have to to worry too much about vocal matches. There's your editor brain at work! That's if they wanted to use the existing episodes at all - doesn't seem to be the case these days, with only Web of Fear getting the partial animation treatment (for obvious 5-to-1 reasons). That would make it a full twelve episodes with tons of locations and characters. Which... yikes! I can see them cutting Feast of Steven down to a recon, that's for sure... Maybe they could make it more viable by making it a big Dalek celebration set. Including the remake of Mission to the Unknown is a no-brainer, but there's also the Daleks! series, lots of "pdf archive" stuff in amongst the Daleks Annuals and Dalek Books - plus maybe The Destroyers from The Second Doctor Lost Stories set, featurettes about that lost pilot, or the Curse of the Daleks stageplay, or a celebration of Terry Nation in general... like just pack it full of stuff so that Dalek fans have no choice but to buy it!! Oh, I like it! A sort of Dalekmania box. You know... 2023 is the series' sixtieth anniversary, but it'll also be sixty years of the Daleks. Pack it full of the episodes, annuals, audios, featurettes, documentaries, stageplay material and a bit of Nation-al heritage and it could sell brilliantly. Impressions were that one-off Dalek Chronicles reprint sold like the clappers. If they could get it through production, unrushed, the celebration would be the perfect opportunity to boost it.
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 27, 2021 0:13:17 GMT
I was thinking about one specific line in it Ah yes, I'd mentally edited that one out!! I came across the same line in a 'Dad's Army' episode on DVD recently - from Pike, the stupid boy. I was surprised they left it in.
Yes, a simple cut would be in order for 'Toymaker', if we get that animation. It would be very expensive to animate, with all the many characters/costumes that each only appear for a short time.
At least it's a conservation of actors so they could use the same face models for most of them, and just have to change the costumes.
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Post by number13 on Mar 27, 2021 1:17:08 GMT
I expect they'd just cut that line - or fade it out at "Eenie meenie money moe..." Total digression here, but my wife and I had avoided that nursery rhyme with our children but my eldest heard it at nursery school.
As he started to recite it to us, my wife and I exchanged apprehensive glances, but he went on ". . . . catch a tiger by the toe" and we breathed a sigh of relief.
So they could always overdub this modern, inoffensive version.
At my very typical English primary school all the way back in the late 1960s we always said "piggy" in the old playground counting game. No-one ever taught us to, it was just a rhyme we all knew, part of playground lore like hop-scotch or skipping or leap-frog or 'Conkers' etc. etc. EDIT: It's just occurred to me, that would only have been about three or four years after they made 'The Celestial Toymaker' and though I didn't know it, Patrick Troughton was the Doctor when I went to primary school! Oh my giddy aunt! I went to primary school during the B&W era of Who!
EDIT 2: But we were in the Pertwee years for most of my time there and he was my Doctor, I hasten to add. I'm not that old. Not quite.
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Post by theillusiveman on May 7, 2021 1:20:00 GMT
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 7, 2021 7:59:03 GMT
The Daily Mail (or, rather, I suspect, just Mail Online) article about Galaxy 4 is amusingly bad (apparently the home recording of soundtracks is only 'alleged')
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Post by theillusiveman on May 7, 2021 8:38:04 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 7, 2021 9:08:37 GMT
Weird one to choose. Why not get the missing episodes of Hartnell's first season animated so we can get a complete collection on Blu-ray.
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Post by mark687 on May 7, 2021 9:20:23 GMT
Weird one to choose. Why not get the missing episodes of Hartnell's first season animated so we can get a complete collection on Blu-ray. Already exist Reign of Terror on DVD had eps 5 and 6 by BF Animation Regards mark687
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 7, 2021 9:31:05 GMT
Weird one to choose. Why not get the missing episodes of Hartnell's first season animated so we can get a complete collection on Blu-ray. Already exist Reign of Terror on DVD had eps 5 and 6 by BF Animation Regards mark687 I know. But Marco Polo is still missing.
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Post by mark687 on May 7, 2021 9:37:27 GMT
Already exist Reign of Terror on DVD had eps 5 and 6 by BF Animation Regards mark687 I know. But Marco Polo is still missing. Point Taken though Marco Polo is 7 Eps with multiple locations i think the logic of choosing at the moment is stories with as few background art changes possible. Regards mark687
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Post by Whovitt on May 7, 2021 9:43:20 GMT
We've been told from pretty much day one of the animations that Marco Polo is prohibitively expensive to make. Not only is there a huge cast, but the costumes and sets are so extensive and detailed that it's simply more than they can afford. The same goes with just about every historical, apparently. Not only that, but the historicals were almost always the lowest sellers of the DVD range. I imagine the only reason The Reign of Terror was ever greenlit was because it only needed the two episodes doing. With the way animations are done now, no less than four episodes would need to be made for a viable product. I wouldn't be getting my hopes up for any historical animations until just about everything else has been done.
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Post by shallacatop on May 7, 2021 12:03:56 GMT
Any more animations are very welcomed by me! As someone who doesn't really get on with the soundtracks or recons, and has only read a couple of Targets for missing stories, animation is my preference to consume the story with. I otherwise don't know anything about them!
I'm also loving the steelbook collection that's mounting up as a result. If The Collection tackles the 60's seasons, then they're well worth keeping just for the art.
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Post by Whovitt on May 7, 2021 13:00:39 GMT
Also regarding Galaxy 4, assuming they're actually considering doing Hartnell's at this point, picking G4 as the first story to do has the odds stacked in its favour just as much as Abominable Snowmen or Evil of the Daleks do as being the next Troughtons. Assuming they use actual clones for the Drahvin warriors rather then the individual actress' faces, they only need to make 6 character models for the entire story - the Doctor, Vicki, Steven, Maaga, a Dravhin warrior, and Garvey (purely for the Mission to the Unknown teaser at the end, which I wouldn't be too surprised if they cut). One 3D Chumbley and a Rill figure are all that's left to populate the story, and none of the sets/costumes are particularly intricate. It's the most obvious Hartnell choice for animation, so if it turns out this is in fact happening, like Abominable or Evil, it's not because the papers were right but because they guessed what are the most logical stories to be done next.
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Post by grinch on May 7, 2021 19:47:32 GMT
Certainly wouldn’t be my first choice but as Whovitt said, it would make a great deal of sense for a studio to choose that particular story over others.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 22:34:27 GMT
Galaxy 4 also has a problem we haven't seen since... I want to say The War Machines(?), when it comes to the animated reconstructions. The third episode, "Air Lock", has been recovered but it's still missing the closing minute or so of footage. The end credits (easily remedied) and the material leading up to the cliffhanger (which is a bit more difficult). Fortunately, the nature of the peril relies on a counter, they might not have to swap across to animation for the last segment. If it were me... I'd take a screenshot of the dial. Cut out the arm, so there was a blank dais and then reinsert it at a point closer to Steven's death than the earlier footage.
If it's the same team that did Macra, it'll be interesting to see how far they push some of the production design in the remaining three episodes.
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Post by lidar2 on May 7, 2021 23:18:33 GMT
Also regarding Galaxy 4, assuming they're actually considering doing Hartnell's at this point, picking G4 as the first story to do has the odds stacked in its favour just as much as Abominable Snowmen or Evil of the Daleks do as being the next Troughtons. Assuming they use actual clones for the Drahvin warriors rather then the individual actress' faces, they only need to make 6 character models for the entire story - the Doctor, Vicki, Steven, Maaga, a Dravhin warrior, and Garvey (purely for the Mission to the Unknown teaser at the end, which I wouldn't be too surprised if they cut). One 3D Chumbley and a Rill figure are all that's left to populate the story, and none of the sets/costumes are particularly intricate. It's the most obvious Hartnell choice for animation, so if it turns out this is in fact happening, like Abominable or Evil, it's not because the papers were right but because they guessed what are the most logical stories to be done next. Thanks for the insight, I never thought of it like that before, but that makes a lot of sense
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Post by Whovitt on May 7, 2021 23:56:15 GMT
Galaxy 4 also has a problem we haven't seen since... I want to say The War Machines(?), when it comes to the animated reconstructions. The third episode, "Air Lock", has been recovered but it's still missing the closing minute or so of footage. The end credits (easily remedied) and the material leading up to the cliffhanger (which is a bit more difficult). Fortunately, the nature of the peril relies on a counter, they might not have to swap across to animation for the last segment. If it were me... I'd take a screenshot of the dial. Cut out the arm, so there was a blank dais and then reinsert it at a point closer to Steven's death than the earlier footage.If it's the same team that did Macra, it'll be interesting to see how far they push some of the production design in the remaining three episodes. That's exactly what they did when they released the episode on The Aztecs: Special Edition DVD. If you watch the last 30 seconds or so, all of the footage you see has been used before, with various shots of Steven being repeated to simulate the reduction in air, as well as the dial getting closer and closer to zero. You can actually see the transition: Steven stands up saying "I'd rather face the Chumblies than you any day," and the camera cuts away from him during the sentence; you then never see anyone's face while they're speaking for the rest of the episode. The audio quality also drops significantly as they change from the soundtrack from the film print to one of the off-air sources. They did the same sort of thing to cover all the missing material from The War Machines They also had to do it for about 17 seconds of ep 3 of The Faceless Ones (and, I believe, a couple of seconds from ep 5 of The Keys of Marinus, but it's been a long time since I read about this stuff so don't quote me on that one).
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Post by Ela on May 10, 2021 3:18:33 GMT
We've been told from pretty much day one of the animations that Marco Polo is prohibitively expensive to make. Not only is there a huge cast, but the costumes and sets are so extensive and detailed that it's simply more than they can afford. The same goes with just about every historical, apparently. Not only that, but the historicals were almost always the lowest sellers of the DVD range. I imagine the only reason The Reign of Terror was ever greenlit was because it only needed the two episodes doing. With the way animations are done now, no less than four episodes would need to be made for a viable product. I wouldn't be getting my hopes up for any historical animations until just about everything else has been done. That makes sense. But I'd sure love to see Marco Polo done.
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Post by Whovitt on May 10, 2021 3:24:54 GMT
We've been told from pretty much day one of the animations that Marco Polo is prohibitively expensive to make. Not only is there a huge cast, but the costumes and sets are so extensive and detailed that it's simply more than they can afford. The same goes with just about every historical, apparently. Not only that, but the historicals were almost always the lowest sellers of the DVD range. I imagine the only reason The Reign of Terror was ever greenlit was because it only needed the two episodes doing. With the way animations are done now, no less than four episodes would need to be made for a viable product. I wouldn't be getting my hopes up for any historical animations until just about everything else has been done. That makes sense. But I'd sure love to see Marco Polo done. I'd love to see it too I just don't think we should be getting our hopes up to see it in at least the next 2-3 years.
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Post by Ela on May 10, 2021 3:25:43 GMT
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