lidar2
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 27, 2021 9:56:04 GMT
Honestly, no, I don't think anyone is - they're just going by the original BF announcement that he was indeed the first Master. Why would they read that a few years ago and think anything differently, unless they'd seen you post about it here? It's BF you should be frustrated at for not co-ordinating rather than posters just going on good faith by what they were told when being asked to part with their money. I've no idea what Matt Fitton and Guy Adams think about the "First Master" thing as writers on that set where the initial news story came from but it surely didn't just pop out of nowhere. Someone must have had the idea that Dreyfus was indeed the first. And it's not like a one word ambiguous typo in a news release once, they even interviewed James about how he felt playing the first incarnation of the character here: www.bigfinish.com/news/v/james-dreyfus-is-the-masterI was joking. I don’t seriously believe anyone’s trying to wind me, and I’m not frustrated by the listeners. Just amused and being light hearted! Thing is, I do absolutely understand why people think it’s the first Master. It’s something that often happens with stories - people go with the information they get quite early on (the two stories of mine I think people get wrong are Iceni - which isn’t a ‘you can’t change history’ story - and Assassination Games - which isn’t a C-M story more than a Who, for just this reason: opinions made in the first few minutes), so the press release seems to trump the actual content of the audios in question. I’m just saying I’m not really sure where that marketing spiel came from. I suspect it may just have been an assumption or the wrong end of the stick from the marketing department. That’s definitely happened! And as I’ve said elsewhere - he still could be, don’t get me wrong. But if there hasn’t been much made of him as ‘the first Master’ there’s a reason for that. Sorry to bring up an old discussion but I thought it worth mentioning that I was relistening to vol 1 of the 1DAs and in the extras David Richardson specifically says (about 13 and a half minutes in) that he wanted to stories split down the middle between historicals and science fiction like the first season on TV and he gave the writers a free hand with the only proviso being that they had to use the first incarnation of the Master. That is not a verbatim quote but he does definitely say "first" when explaining the brief given to the writers.
So the idea of Dreyfus as the first Master is definitely not something that originated within the BF Marketing Department as is suggested above.
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dorney
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Post by dorney on Apr 27, 2021 17:08:38 GMT
I was joking. I don’t seriously believe anyone’s trying to wind me, and I’m not frustrated by the listeners. Just amused and being light hearted! Thing is, I do absolutely understand why people think it’s the first Master. It’s something that often happens with stories - people go with the information they get quite early on (the two stories of mine I think people get wrong are Iceni - which isn’t a ‘you can’t change history’ story - and Assassination Games - which isn’t a C-M story more than a Who, for just this reason: opinions made in the first few minutes), so the press release seems to trump the actual content of the audios in question. I’m just saying I’m not really sure where that marketing spiel came from. I suspect it may just have been an assumption or the wrong end of the stick from the marketing department. That’s definitely happened! And as I’ve said elsewhere - he still could be, don’t get me wrong. But if there hasn’t been much made of him as ‘the first Master’ there’s a reason for that. Sorry to bring up an old discussion but I thought it worth mentioning that I was relistening to vol 1 of the 1DAs and in the extras David Richardson specifically says (about 13 and a half minutes in) that he wanted to stories split down the middle between historicals and science fiction like the first season on TV and he gave the writers a free hand with the only proviso being that they had to use the first incarnation of the Master. That is not a verbatim quote but he does definitely say "first" when explaining the brief given to the writers.
So the idea of Dreyfus as the first Master is definitely not something that originated within the BF Marketing Department as is suggested above.
Depends when the interview was done, really, and whether if that had become the consensus from the outside at that point it was easier to go with it. Certainly, no one ever said the word ‘first’ to me, and I’d have had to tweak the dialogue of at least one of the scripts if they had.
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Post by jacobz40 on Jan 26, 2022 18:50:58 GMT
Just finished this for the first time today, and I'm left feeling...meh? Really unimpressed.
Stream-of-consciousness thoughts: The whole "Jamie/Polly being married" bit felt like it was ripe for some comedy but was never really used to the fullest. Elliot Chapman's Ben is lovely as always. Anneke Willis is always a delight. Frazer Hines does a nice job as Jamie, but his Troughton feels like less than his best. I am once again unimpressed with James Dreyfus' incarnation of the Master, both in terms of writing and performance. I just feel bored whenever he shows up. The performance is uninteresting and feels very much like a "basic Master", with none of the charm or unique personality of his fellow Master actors. It was unsurprising to learn that writer Simon Guerrier was told to write as if for Delgado in this story (Why even have a new incarnation of the Master if you're just going to have him written like a previous one?) I feel like between the two Dreyfus-Master I've heard, the other being Destination Wars, there's something to be said about this Master enjoying studying those lifeforms he views as inferior and experimenting with controlling their lives in different ways, but it really doesn't seem like he's fleshed out. Between the boring performances and the actor's gross transphobic remarks and childish lashing out at fans and creators, I won't be sorry to see the last of him. I was disappointed to come away really not caring much for this one. Nothing about it is especially bad, but it just feels like a collection of missed opportunities. I was surprised to not like this one, as I love every story of Guerrier's I've heard previously. His work on the Companion Chronicles is practically a greatest-hits list of Big Finish stories! But this one sadly didn't do it for me.
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