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Post by fingersmash on May 18, 2020 14:33:59 GMT
<abbr>There's only one thing that kind of annoys me a bit with these, and it's how the writers always seem to make sure to play up how great the Doctor thinks Jo is. It seems like in every episode, there are multiple occasions where he praises her effusively and says how much she means.</abbr> <abbr> </abbr> <abbr>Ok..... I get it... I know the TV show was often rather dismissive of companions, especially females given the "fall down stupidly and scream with regularity" roles, but you can rehabilitate character images without exposition. Just show them being clever. (Which BF does. Which is why the dialogue reinforcing it is a bit over the top for me). </abbr> <abbr></abbr> idk like if I were in the presence of Josephine Grant, I'd be in just as much awe of her as the Doctor is.
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Post by fingersmash on May 18, 2020 14:56:24 GMT
I must admit to being a little disappointed by this release. Both stories were exceptionally generic to me, and generic stories are always the most disappointing as there was surely something more interesting that could have been done with the ideas.
Honestly, if you took the Daleks out of Poison of the Daleks and had a race whose home planet was dying (falling into a sun or something) that were attempting to colonise the Earth by converting it to their needs, that would have made a far more interesting story than just "hey, we've got Daleks because... Daleks". Don't get me wrong, I've always loved Daleks, but they served little to no purpose being in this story. And as someone else mentioned, if you took Jo out everything would play out pretty much the same, so why was she there? Even the Doctor seemed pretty useless for the majority of the plot. What's possibly most disappointing for me about this story is that it's written by Guy Adams. Given the calibre of some of his work, this really feels like a lowering of the bar. I ended up feeling a bit cheated by Operation: Hellfire. The Third Doctor and Churchill? That'll be neat, I thought. But Churchill's only in two episodes and five scenes. Again, the story would have worked perfectly well without him (just substitute a high-ranking military official), and any story were a lead/special guest is irrelevant to the plot feels like a waste. In this case, it almost felt like false advertising for how brief an appearance he makes. And the story itself just wasn't that gripping. I also didn't get why the Doctor kept referring to the Nazis as "the enemy". "The enemy" would be a British term, aka a human term, so he wouldn't use it. "You're one of them", yeah, probably, but "the enemy", no. It just didn't sound right. And as for the nostalgia bonus, I've got that for practically every era of the show ever. For the most part though, this range has never got the nostalgia juices following. Contrary to most it would seem, I actually thought both Treloar and Culshaw gave their least convincing performances to date. Culshaw was much more on point in Volume 5, and I think Tim's starting to relax a little now when he's giving his Third, and it's really starting to show. There were moments in the earlier box sets where I remember thinking "Woah, he absolutely nailed that". I didn't get that once with this release. That all reads a little more negatively than I actually feel about this set, but I was hoping for more from it than I actually got. Exactly my thoughts here. Maybe it's because everything else this month has been some of the best stuff we've seen but this was just an aggressively mediocre set
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Post by shallacatop on May 19, 2020 16:59:40 GMT
I can’t say I enjoyed Operation Hellfire all that much. It’s meandering with an especially dull and poorly realised final part.
I feel misled about Churchill being in the story; it’s just half a dozen fleeting scenes across two episodes. Perhaps it’s just me, but Churchill sounds disconnected from the others, as though McNeice recorded separately and his lines were retrospectively slotted in. The Third Doctor is probably the best incarnation to pair with Churchill, so it’s a shame it amounted to a couple of generic sentences.
Treloar was particularly weak in this one too, I thought. Going from playing the Third Doctor to almost just impersonating Jon Pertwee. I think there’s a subtle difference there that he nailed in the past few sets, but it’s slipped in this one for whatever reason.
A disappointing set all in all. I’m hoping for an eight part epic with the whole UNIT family at some point.
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Post by IndieMacUser on May 20, 2020 10:58:08 GMT
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Post by project37 on May 20, 2020 13:32:33 GMT
Not sure if I am missing the nostalgia bonus here. The nostalgia bonus is the highlights of these Third Doctor sets! The only one I'd pre-ordered/purchased was Volume 5, which was based off the strength of the Primord episode 1 preview. I really enjoyed having Liz and the Brigadier in the mix and thought the combination of voices with Treloar, Manning, and Levene (plus the Dudley Simpson-inspired music) brought back a little of nostalgia.
But for me, those two stories were more than enough and the mixed response here is suggesting that I'm not missing anything "essential". I think it's great that they're able to do them and that there's an audience hungry for more, but I personally got my fix last year and am happy to re-listen to Volume 5 or re-watch (re-discover) this era on television.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 14:31:42 GMT
the mixed response here is suggesting that I'm not missing anything "essential" [...] and am happy to re-listen to Volume 5 or re-watch (re-discover) this era on television. They're definitely not essential. Watching the Pertwee era on TV is a way more entertaining pastime... Jon Pertwee is in those stories for a start! I did like Vol. 3 of these sets though and I am currently in the middle of this latest release. (So far so good.) The nostalgia factor is the big draw for me with these. I don't want envelope pushing Doctor Who stories, they can do that with the new series stuff. I just like to lay back with the story in my headphones and pretend that these are missing Pertwee stories. So they do the job for that.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on May 24, 2020 19:33:00 GMT
Just listened to Poison of the Daleks and, once again, asking myself why I bother with this range, as it's rapidly falling into the 'Big Finish by numbers' pile. The last set had Generic written all over it and this set seems to be following the same course. Future sets could do with the same inspired approach that went into the E-Space Tom's that came out at the beginning of the year.
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Post by ollychops on Jun 2, 2020 17:22:41 GMT
Slightly off-topic but has there been any reason given as to why Richard Franklin hasn’t been involved for a while, in both the 3DAs and BF in general?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 2, 2020 18:00:02 GMT
Slightly off-topic but has there been any reason given as to why Richard Franklin hasn’t been involved for a while, in both the 3DAs and BF in general? No.
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Post by redsharkJason on Nov 13, 2020 8:05:38 GMT
Put me in the camp for preferring Operation Hellfire over the first story of this set. Providing a historical setting for a Third Doctor adventure and being penned by a Sherlock Holmes writer (Jonathan Barnes) was a refreshing change. I gained even more of an appreciation of this story on my second listen of it. I like the old TV days when the Doctor would be strong-armed by the Time Lords.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 19:54:51 GMT
Put me in the camp for preferring Operation Hellfire over the first story of this set. Providing a historical setting for a Third Doctor adventure and being penned by a Sherlock Holmes writer (Jonathan Barnes) was a refreshing change. I gained even more of an appreciation of this story on my second listen of it. I like the old TV days when the Doctor would be strong-armed by the Time Lords. Have to agree Much as You can enjoy 3 with the Daleks is still the Daleks.... given we will have a new Sarah Jane I wonder if we will see any releases with Tim and liz Sladens daughter(havent hear her performance yet) Would be nice too as she did span his Doctor. and then I go and catch up with the Big Finish site and see that they are doing just that....oh happy me new the Sarah Story sounds like my type of tale 😎
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Post by nottenst on Aug 9, 2021 15:46:40 GMT
I can’t say I enjoyed Operation Hellfire all that much. It’s meandering with an especially dull and poorly realised final part. I feel misled about Churchill being in the story; it’s just half a dozen fleeting scenes across two episodes. Perhaps it’s just me, but Churchill sounds disconnected from the others, as though McNeice recorded separately and his lines were retrospectively slotted in. The Third Doctor is probably the best incarnation to pair with Churchill, so it’s a shame it amounted to a couple of generic sentences. Treloar was particularly weak in this one too, I thought. Going from playing the Third Doctor to almost just impersonating Jon Pertwee. I think there’s a subtle difference there that he nailed in the past few sets, but it’s slipped in this one for whatever reason. A disappointing set all in all. I’m hoping for an eight part epic with the whole UNIT family at some point. Just finished the set. I enjoyed it overall. As far as Churchill, if you listen to the interviews, that was indeed the case - McNeice was recorded separately from the rest and a bit in advance it seems. I went into listening to it completely cold so I wasn't expecting any big Churchill interaction and was not disappointed with what we got.
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