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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 12:41:56 GMT
Well see standard edition is on eBay already Still patient for my LTD...to fill a draughty wee hole near my sash windows 😂 If I had bought a physical release it would be on eBay. Awful. Will probably be on my worst if the year list. Needs must mate...insulation
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Post by ryan on Jan 24, 2021 19:40:52 GMT
This took me a long time to finish, despite some fantastic performances.
Although it was interesting to have the differences between the incarnations firmly highlighted, much of it seemed to drag. Missy did seem very OTT, even compared to John Simm who struck a great balance between the mania of Series 3 and the menace of Series 10.
The individual Masters really showed how they were unique and played to their strengths:
Roberts - Charming, suave and manipulative Beevers - Conflicted and bitter, but a victim Jacobi - Evil as a means of achieving a greater good Simm - Impulsive, reckless and egomaniacal Gomez - OTT and unpredictable MacQueen - Doing whatever it takes to survive Gatiss - Suave, a sense of perspective but still up for some fun.
But it all just seemed very inconsequential, as it can't really fit narratively into events we've seen unfold. The fate of one particular familiar character from the Pertwee era (spoilers!) really didn't make sense considering what we know of their fate in Doctor Who.
I can't help thinking the sections of the story could have been told as 5 separate episodes without the apocalyptic arc:
1: Jacobi + Simm 2: MacQueen + Parker 3: Gatiss + Gomez 4: Beevers + Roberts 5: A finale with all the Masters at the castle.
On the whole, a well-performed but ultimately forgettable mess.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Jan 25, 2021 15:08:19 GMT
This was a really cool way to structure a multi-x story. Pair them off, and have them in different times/scenarios revolving around a main central event. The individual stories taper off a bit, but you still get a lot out of them as mood pieces with a character focus, and you do really get to see all sides of the character across their incarnations. My favourite by far was the Geoffrey/Kitty/Roberts story, and I'm glad that after the initial off-screen shock (very well pitched), they did live happily for a while. A funny thing though, I accidentally omitted the final audio file on the last story, so for a while, I literally thought it ended with everyone being poisoned. I thought it was a bold an irreverent way to end things; very fitting for the Master
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Post by mark687 on Jan 25, 2021 15:16:50 GMT
Dispatch / Stock Update for Limited Edition CD Boxsets
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Post by number13 on Jan 25, 2021 23:14:12 GMT
This was a really cool way to structure a multi-x story. Pair them off, and have them in different times/scenarios revolving around a main central event. The individual stories taper off a bit, but you still get a lot out of them as mood pieces with a character focus, and you do really get to see all sides of the character across their incarnations. My favourite by far was the Geoffrey/Kitty/Roberts story, and I'm glad that after the initial off-screen shock (very well pitched), they did live happily for a while. A funny thing though, I accidentally omitted the final audio file on the last story, so for a while, I literally thought it ended with everyone being poisoned. I thought it was a bold an irreverent way to end things; very fitting for the Master Hamlet, Act whatever, Scene something-or-other. Big gloomy castle, treachery all round, everyone dies. Sounds familiar!
The Bard has been taken for the Master before now; it fooled Peri and me. Perhaps somewheretime, he really was and that was the alternative ending you heard...
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 26, 2021 19:46:20 GMT
So, it occurs to me that this Boxset leaves us with one somewhat glaring unanswered question: why Jo Grant?
Like... what was the point of bringing a classic companion into this story in the first place, and of all of them, why her?
My only thinking is that maybe she serves as a kinda-sorta stand-in for the absent Delgado Master, but even then... I never really got the sense in the TV show that the Master and Jo had much of a relationship--the former was so fixated on the Doctor I'm not entirely convinced he knew the latter's name. It also seems a bit odd to pair her with Missy, as Missy is about as far removed from the Delgado-type Master as is possible... in the context of this story, especially, it might've been better to pair her with the Crispy Master, who is closer (both temporally and in terms of personality) to the Delgado Master, since he's found an opportunity here to be the "good person" Jo claimed to sense in "her" Master.
I wonder if this hypothetical pairing might also make the ultimate resolution to Crispy's story a bit more interesting, as Jo could provide some resistance to the Roberts Master, since Beevers' is so passive in those final scenes.
I dunno. Jo just feels like an odd addition to the story who doesn't really wind up doing much.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 26, 2021 19:55:29 GMT
So, it occurs to me that this Boxset leaves us with one somewhat glaring unanswered question: why Jo Grant? Like... what was the point of bringing a classic companion into this story in the first place, and of all of them, why her? My only thinking is that maybe she serves as a kinda-sorta stand-in for the absent Delgado Master, but even then... I never really got the sense in the TV show that the Master and Jo had much of a relationship--the former was so fixated on the Doctor I'm not entirely convinced he knew the latter's name. It also seems a bit odd to pair her with Missy, as Missy is about as far removed from the Delgado-type Master as is possible... in the context of this story, especially, it might've been better to pair her with the Crispy Master, who is closer (both temporally and in terms of personality) to the Delgado Master, since he's found an opportunity here to be the "good person" Jo claimed to sense in "her" Master. I wonder if this hypothetical pairing might also make the ultimate resolution to Crispy's story a bit more interesting, as Jo could provide some resistance to the Roberts Master, since Beevers' is so passive in those final scenes. I dunno. Jo just feels like an odd addition to the story who doesn't really wind up doing much. Hmm... I think she fit perfectly well, just because she had some kind of relationship with the Delgado Master. Just look at Mind of Evil or Sea Devils or Frontier in Space, where Jo and the Master get some sparring in. I think it definitely is there and it is one of the reasons I love that era so much.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 26, 2021 19:58:14 GMT
So, it occurs to me that this Boxset leaves us with one somewhat glaring unanswered question: why Jo Grant? Like... what was the point of bringing a classic companion into this story in the first place, and of all of them, why her? My only thinking is that maybe she serves as a kinda-sorta stand-in for the absent Delgado Master, but even then... I never really got the sense in the TV show that the Master and Jo had much of a relationship--the former was so fixated on the Doctor I'm not entirely convinced he knew the latter's name. It also seems a bit odd to pair her with Missy, as Missy is about as far removed from the Delgado-type Master as is possible... in the context of this story, especially, it might've been better to pair her with the Crispy Master, who is closer (both temporally and in terms of personality) to the Delgado Master, since he's found an opportunity here to be the "good person" Jo claimed to sense in "her" Master. I wonder if this hypothetical pairing might also make the ultimate resolution to Crispy's story a bit more interesting, as Jo could provide some resistance to the Roberts Master, since Beevers' is so passive in those final scenes. I dunno. Jo just feels like an odd addition to the story who doesn't really wind up doing much. Same as Kamelion, her role is represent eras of the Master that can’t really be featured for obvious reasons and also Jo probably has more single encounters with the Master than any other companion. Unfortunately everything she does in this story is kinda irrelevant, as it has no impact of any description on the plot. Hmm pairing her with Crispy might have worked well now that you mention it.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jan 26, 2021 20:17:22 GMT
So, it occurs to me that this Boxset leaves us with one somewhat glaring unanswered question: why Jo Grant? Like... what was the point of bringing a classic companion into this story in the first place, and of all of them, why her? My only thinking is that maybe she serves as a kinda-sorta stand-in for the absent Delgado Master, but even then... I never really got the sense in the TV show that the Master and Jo had much of a relationship--the former was so fixated on the Doctor I'm not entirely convinced he knew the latter's name. It also seems a bit odd to pair her with Missy, as Missy is about as far removed from the Delgado-type Master as is possible... in the context of this story, especially, it might've been better to pair her with the Crispy Master, who is closer (both temporally and in terms of personality) to the Delgado Master, since he's found an opportunity here to be the "good person" Jo claimed to sense in "her" Master. I wonder if this hypothetical pairing might also make the ultimate resolution to Crispy's story a bit more interesting, as Jo could provide some resistance to the Roberts Master, since Beevers' is so passive in those final scenes. I dunno. Jo just feels like an odd addition to the story who doesn't really wind up doing much. So true, especially them trying to retcon stuff so that there was some kind of relationship between Jo & the master. But this is typical of this rubbish release. So, it occurs to me that this Boxset leaves us with one somewhat glaring unanswered question: why Jo Grant? Like... what was the point of bringing a classic companion into this story in the first place, and of all of them, why her? My only thinking is that maybe she serves as a kinda-sorta stand-in for the absent Delgado Master, but even then... I never really got the sense in the TV show that the Master and Jo had much of a relationship--the former was so fixated on the Doctor I'm not entirely convinced he knew the latter's name. It also seems a bit odd to pair her with Missy, as Missy is about as far removed from the Delgado-type Master as is possible... in the context of this story, especially, it might've been better to pair her with the Crispy Master, who is closer (both temporally and in terms of personality) to the Delgado Master, since he's found an opportunity here to be the "good person" Jo claimed to sense in "her" Master. I wonder if this hypothetical pairing might also make the ultimate resolution to Crispy's story a bit more interesting, as Jo could provide some resistance to the Roberts Master, since Beevers' is so passive in those final scenes. I dunno. Jo just feels like an odd addition to the story who doesn't really wind up doing much. Same as Kamelion, her role is represent eras of the Master that can’t really be featured for obvious reasons and also Jo probably has more single encounters with the Master than any other companion. Unfortunately everything she does in this story is kinda irrelevant, as it has no impact of any description on the plot. Hmm pairing her with Crispy might have worked well now that you mention it. Most of the stuff that happens in this story is irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 21:59:49 GMT
So, it occurs to me that this Boxset leaves us with one somewhat glaring unanswered question: why Jo Grant? Like... what was the point of bringing a classic companion into this story in the first place, and of all of them, why her? My only thinking is that maybe she serves as a kinda-sorta stand-in for the absent Delgado Master, but even then... I never really got the sense in the TV show that the Master and Jo had much of a relationship--the former was so fixated on the Doctor I'm not entirely convinced he knew the latter's name. It also seems a bit odd to pair her with Missy, as Missy is about as far removed from the Delgado-type Master as is possible... in the context of this story, especially, it might've been better to pair her with the Crispy Master, who is closer (both temporally and in terms of personality) to the Delgado Master, since he's found an opportunity here to be the "good person" Jo claimed to sense in "her" Master. I wonder if this hypothetical pairing might also make the ultimate resolution to Crispy's story a bit more interesting, as Jo could provide some resistance to the Roberts Master, since Beevers' is so passive in those final scenes. I dunno. Jo just feels like an odd addition to the story who doesn't really wind up doing much. Hmm... I think she fit perfectly well, just because she had some kind of relationship with the Delgado Master. Just look at Mind of Evil or Sea Devils or Frontier in Space, where Jo and the Master get some sparring in. I think it definitely is there and it is one of the reasons I love that era so much.
That's part of what made Delgado's Master work so well, I think. Very nearly everyone in UNIT had a dynamic and a stake with him. In Jo's case, beginning with when he tried to use her to suicide bomb her friends (and gets her own back in Frontier by beating the hypnosound through sheer force of will). But revenge isn't the first thought to cross her mind. That's the thing I like about Jo: she's just... good. A good person. In a way that feels believable as a fully-functional personality. She makes a great foil to both the Doctor and the Master as a result.
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Post by number13 on Jan 26, 2021 23:31:47 GMT
Why Jo?
Because, since the Delgado Master (the best Master ever!) sadly couldn't appear in person, an ingenious way to represent his era was to have him send a stand-in. And how very like him to send a stand-in into a dangerous situation! And who better for that stand-in than the Doctor's one and only Companion who ever met the original Master on TV, the one, the only, the incomparable Jo Grant! (The best Companion ever! )
I'd carefully ignored all news about this release since the initial announcement, so I don't know if her arrival was a complete surprise to everyone else or not, but it was to me and I gave a big cheer when Katy Manning stepped out of the timescoop. I was already enjoying the story, but this made it extra-extra special for me, as did the 'appearance' via Kamelion (and Jon Culshaw) of the Pertwee Doctor. The original Master Season was where I came into the world of Who and they are still my team after all these years. Just brilliant. And pairing Jo with Missy was inspired.
You may have gathered that I loved 'Masterful'. I would have anyway from the rest of the story and so many great actors. But having Jo in it was the icing on the Master's 50th birthday cake.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Feb 5, 2021 11:27:03 GMT
I just received my email to say this has been dispatched. I guestimate the very end of the month at earliest .
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Feb 8, 2021 18:22:22 GMT
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Post by x2magneto on Feb 8, 2021 19:17:03 GMT
AT LAST!.....I'm fairly excited about this one.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Feb 8, 2021 19:36:46 GMT
AT LAST!.....I'm fairly excited about this one. Yeah, but Daleks again
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Post by x2magneto on Feb 8, 2021 20:53:00 GMT
AT LAST!.....I'm fairly excited about this one. Yeah, but Daleks again Yeah, and the Master's gonna make 'em eat dirt for what they did! Seriously, though I understand that Big Finish tends to Dalek to Death.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Feb 8, 2021 21:15:21 GMT
Yeah, and he Master's gonna make 'em eat dirt for what they did! Seriously, though I understand that Big Finish tends to Dalek to Death. More money for Briggs. But they should have the same squeaky voices they had in the movie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 21:47:17 GMT
Yeah, and he Master's gonna make 'em eat dirt for what they did! Seriously, though I understand that Big Finish tends to Dalek to Death. More money for Briggs. But they should have the same squeaky voices they had in the movie Bring back Sax i say
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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 21, 2021 13:21:14 GMT
I though it was about time I get around to the set. I didn't look at the files carefully and thought I'd only loaded Part 1 into the player, and by the time I realized I'd loaded the whole thing I was enjoying it enough that I was happy to continue to the end. I really don't know enough about the history of this (I haven't got to any extras or behind-the-scenes yet) so I'm not sure it would be fair to criticize some of it. Issues of performer availability might certainly explain away my dislikes. I had a hard time picking out Simms and MacQueen and Gatiss, I'm guessing because of a general shortage of lines (?) - I can live with that and again there may be reasons but I still had sort of a huge sticking point with one thing {Spoiler}Which was the spontaneous recasting of the 3rd Doctor. I've taken to Tim Treloar quite well but it did take some time and even a bit of philosophy whereas this was just sort of "plop!" I got the point of celebrating the era of the Master's introduction, which made Jo a wonderful and perfectly sensible addition to the cast, but trying to invoke the Third Doctor without Treloar just wasn't worth it - it somehow totally felt like a recast too far. I guess the less excitable thing to say is simply that it sounded like Culshaw's Brigadier to me, but it's the first time I've experienced between taken out of a story in a way I want to compare to being shot out of a rocket. I spent at least several hours contemplating whether I should just go back and try to edit it out somehow with leaving a conspicuous absence in its wake. That said, I still think personally that this was worth the price of admission just for Gomez and Beevers alone if nothing else, and moreso if you don't already have the Short Trips.
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 22, 2021 7:23:44 GMT
So, it occurs to me that this Boxset leaves us with one somewhat glaring unanswered question: why Jo Grant? Like... what was the point of bringing a classic companion into this story in the first place, and of all of them, why her? My only thinking is that maybe she serves as a kinda-sorta stand-in for the absent Delgado Master, but even then... I never really got the sense in the TV show that the Master and Jo had much of a relationship--the former was so fixated on the Doctor I'm not entirely convinced he knew the latter's name. It also seems a bit odd to pair her with Missy, as Missy is about as far removed from the Delgado-type Master as is possible... in the context of this story, especially, it might've been better to pair her with the Crispy Master, who is closer (both temporally and in terms of personality) to the Delgado Master, since he's found an opportunity here to be the "good person" Jo claimed to sense in "her" Master. I wonder if this hypothetical pairing might also make the ultimate resolution to Crispy's story a bit more interesting, as Jo could provide some resistance to the Roberts Master, since Beevers' is so passive in those final scenes. I dunno. Jo just feels like an odd addition to the story who doesn't really wind up doing much. It was not only The 50th Anniversary of The Master but The 50th Anniversary of Jo Grants Debut in Terror of The Autons i guess it was a way of doing 2 birds with 1 stone i agree Jo and Beevers would have been a better pairing
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