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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 12, 2020 10:21:45 GMT
Some facts about US meat potentially coming to a supermarket near you!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 13, 2020 7:47:42 GMT
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Post by number13 on Oct 13, 2020 12:51:44 GMT
Sigh. Because there are already many existing and very specific laws enforcing our high food and farming standards in great detail, not just a few general words added to a bill to make a 'statement'. In any case, may I point out that even if we get a trade deal with the U.S. and even if "the evil yanks" (which is not how I think of them) insist we allow imports of food you wouldn't want to eat, the answer is simple: don't buy it.
Consumerism and the Free Market give power to us, the people. We don't have to take what we're given by the Peoples' Food Commissar (Meat) for our district!
Simply buy only British-farmed meat and the imports will stop because they will lose money, and our farmers will gain.
Leaving out the politics, it's a good idea to buy 'local' anyway, now we know we should be concerned about food miles & carbon, air miles especially. So in this context it's easy: 'local' can simply mean 'British/Irish'.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 15, 2020 14:39:06 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 19, 2020 12:27:37 GMT
Anyone seen Mark Francois? Should we call the police to report a missing person?
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 20, 2020 12:55:50 GMT
Just reading various political news stories online at lunchtime. Have you ever noticed how almost everyone in British politics is "senior" apart from junior ministers. Every Tory backbencher is routinely referred to as a "senior backbencher". I looked a couple of them up on wikipedia - even MPs first elected in 2015 who have never held government office are now deemed "senior".
I think it's just laziness on the part of journalists who don't stop to think about what they're writing.
Rant over for today. +ENDS+
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Post by number13 on Oct 20, 2020 14:22:22 GMT
Just reading various political news stories online at lunchtime. Have you ever noticed how almost everyone in British politics is "senior" apart from junior ministers. Every Tory backbencher is routinely referred to as a "senior backbencher". I looked a couple of them up on wikipedia - even MPs first elected in 2015 who have never held government office are now deemed "senior". I think it's just laziness on the part of journalists who don't stop to think about what they're writing. Rant over for today. +ENDS+ "senior backbencher" = one who is a critic of the government or about whom a negative headline can be written. It's a bit like the old tabloid favourite 'Top Tory' .
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 20, 2020 16:10:23 GMT
This government hate the north.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 20, 2020 17:15:47 GMT
Good luck to all in Manchester. I just hope people don't forget at the next election. Over a decade of this shit now.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 24, 2020 12:26:30 GMT
Ladies & gentlemen of the UK. Your Tory government.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Oct 24, 2020 12:56:05 GMT
I find it the height of cheek when Tory supporters take offence when being criticised for voting for them!
The school meals thing is just the latest in a long line of deplorable things this party has forced upon us. It will be Dame Selaine Saxby next year!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 24, 2020 13:41:05 GMT
I find it the height of cheek when Tory supporters take offence when being criticised for voting for them! The school meals thing is just the latest in a long line of deplorable things this party has forced upon us. It will be Dame Selaine Saxby next year! So true. Every day there is something! Laptop allocation for England's schools slashed by 80%
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Post by number13 on Oct 24, 2020 16:19:20 GMT
It's so reassuring to know there's always the altenative: a kinder, gentler politics...
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 24, 2020 16:24:30 GMT
It's so reassuring to know there's always the altenative: a kinder, gentler politics...
Silent on MPs voting against giving poor kids food. Silent on an MP who claimed food vouchers went to crack dens & brothels. Silent on an MP threatening to cut funding for businesses who want to give kids free meals. But this is the issue you choose to highlight, an alleged link between a comment from an MP & abuse received by members of a Tory government that have repeatedly shown they don't give a damn about the poor, about children, about the north. Nice one. 👍🏻
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Post by sherlock on Oct 24, 2020 16:51:28 GMT
It's so reassuring to know there's always the altenative: a kinder, gentler politics...
Tory MPs happily cheered on as Johnson branded his political enemies as traitors last year. Tory MPs happily cheer on the Home Secretary when she attacks ‘leftie lawyers’; rhetoric which results in this: t.co/CHPEQ75arwBut only now they oppose abusive language. Obviously they shouldn’t be getting abuse. But there is a certain expression about those in glass houses...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 17:01:32 GMT
It's so reassuring to know there's always the altenative: a kinder, gentler politics...
It is after all, possible to agree with Rashford's campaign in principle and to be in favour of a vote, but at the same time appreciate that voting against it, was a pragmatic one, but with very bad optics. Once extended to next Easter, it would become harder to cut off the supply. I don't defend the action, given what they spend elsewhere, it is a drop in the ocean and Rashford has worked out the sums himself, whilst keeping out of party politics, but I can at least see that it is in danger of becoming a permanent subsidy and a growing one too. A decentralised solution has come out of it, with local authorities and businesses taking up the cause. And they are cross party. A good perspective in favour from a Tory MP, demonstrating a case in favour of the vote (and a debate of sorts against in the replies) for anyone that doubts that Tory MP's do not care about the issue: www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tory-case-for-extending-free-school-mealsMany have still to forgive Thatcher for scrapping 'Milk Break' in Primary Schools! You need to be of a certain age to remember that in the winter it was still frozen solid and in the summer the cream had separated and it was warm and on the turn by break. Plus the birds usually got to the cream beforehand and left bits in the bottle. It was an act of compassion to axe it..... On the one hand, the policy is a dispassionate view and on the other is a very emotive one, with a tendency to throw abuse. To many, Tories will always be 'Tory Scum', whatever the outcome or policy. Two weeks ago, my local MP, voted in the last election received this welcoming 'meet & greet' from her local constituents: Kinder gentler political engagement indeed.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Oct 24, 2020 18:12:36 GMT
It's so reassuring to know there's always the altenative: a kinder, gentler politics...
Tory MPs happily cheered on as Johnson branded his political enemies as traitors last year. Tory MPs happily cheer on the Home Secretary when she attacks ‘leftie lawyers’; rhetoric which results in this: t.co/CHPEQ75arwBut only now they oppose abusive language. Obviously they shouldn’t be getting abuse. But there is a certain expression about those in glass houses... Well, their policies have killed thousands of vulnerable people and will continue to kill more. They've been made aware of it on numerous occasions and they either ignore it, or laugh. In comparison being called c***s isn't so bad is it? I personally think our MP's get off extremely lightly in this country.
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Post by muckypup on Oct 24, 2020 18:23:55 GMT
well surprise surprise they delivering only 15% of promised laptops to most deprived schools, forcing local councils to fund remote learning to vulnerable children needing to distance learn. and pretending they are helping most at need, while thousands are moved to fund covid policies that dont work.......
but continue to give charitable status to public(private) schools and provide gift aid to those who have their laptops donated buy firms who have children at the school.
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Post by number13 on Oct 24, 2020 22:42:47 GMT
It's so reassuring to know there's always the altenative: a kinder, gentler politics...
Silent on MPs voting against giving poor kids food. Silent on an MP who claimed food vouchers went to crack dens & brothels. Silent on an MP threatening to cut funding for businesses who want to give kids free meals. But this is the issue you choose to highlight, an alleged link between a comment from an MP & abuse received by members of a Tory government that have repeatedly shown they don't give a damn about the poor, about children, about the north. Nice one. 👍🏻 That's OK JHD, I knew you would particularly appreciate it. There is apparently a rule among some in politics: insulting "Tories" (which of course includes not only active Tories but anyone who votes for them) is not only acceptable to many people, but fully justified and actually praiseworthy.
FWIW I wasn't highlighting the Westminster insult, for better or worse the HOC has always been a "bear pit" and the Chair handles it. It was the instant wider reaction to it as a green light (or should I say red light) to be abusive to "Tories" that caught my eye. And look at the (politely phrased, thank you all) reaction even on here. TBH, I expected it.
You're quite right, I said nothing about policies, it was you that linked the two issues, presumably because you too feel the one justifies the other? And your response is of course to condemn me for choosing to raise the issue I did, not to discuss the issue itself, which does rather make my point.
To the unattractive side of the Left (that's the side that helps keep the moderate Left out of power by holding such attitudes towards their opponents including their voters i.e. people who need to be won over) Tories are always "vile", to use a word addressed to me, twice, by a former incarnation of a certain poster on here.
It's not a new phenomenon. Way back in the 1950s, Nye Bevan described Conservatives as 'lower than vermin'. Young Tories took to wearing 'Vile Vermin' and 'Very Vile Vermin' badges...
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Post by number13 on Oct 24, 2020 23:00:12 GMT
It's so reassuring to know there's always the altenative: a kinder, gentler politics...
It is after all, possible to agree with Rashford's campaign in principle and to be in favour of a vote, but at the same time appreciate that voting against it, was a pragmatic one, but with very bad optics. Once extended to next Easter, it would become harder to cut off the supply. I don't defend the action, given what they spend elsewhere, it is a drop in the ocean and Rashford has worked out the sums himself, whilst keeping out of party politics, but I can at least see that it is in danger of becoming a permanent subsidy and a growing one too. A decentralised solution has come out of it, with local authorities and businesses taking up the cause. And they are cross party. A good perspective in favour from a Tory MP, demonstrating a case in favour of the vote (and a debate of sorts against in the replies) for anyone that doubts that Tory MP's do not care about the issue: www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tory-case-for-extending-free-school-mealsMany have still to forgive Thatcher for scrapping 'Milk Break' in Primary Schools! You need to be of a certain age to remember that in the winter it was still frozen solid and in the summer the cream had separated and it was warm and on the turn by break. Plus the birds usually got to the cream beforehand and left bits in the bottle. It was an act of compassion to axe it..... On the one hand, the policy is a dispassionate view and on the other is a very emotive one, with a tendency to throw abuse. To many, Tories will always be 'Tory Scum', whatever the outcome or policy. Two weeks ago, my local MP, voted in the last election received this welcoming 'meet & greet' from her local constituents: Kinder gentler political engagement indeed.
I do remember the famous School Milk, vividly. I was a 'refusnik' from the age of 7 and luckily it was axed not long after! By Ted Heath & the Treasury of course, though it was Thatcher who famously carried the (milk) can as Minister.
Totally overshadowing the fact that as Education Secretary she was at the very same time busting her department budget, demanding ever more money from the Treasury (yes folks, this is THE Thatcher) for a huge programme of primary school rebuilding to replace the ancient Victorian ones.
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