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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 14:51:32 GMT
Does this mean we can look forward to another immaculately staged leaving-by-the-font-door scene in a few weeks? Probably sometime shortly after the ex civil servant wins his constructive dismissal case in 2021 'Bullying' has been 'justified', in this case, by Priti being a woman in man's world. Those are the words used in a news report, not from her, but from someone who supports her. 'Bullying' has been modified to 'necessary strength and determination', to 'get things done'. It is not only a lack of apology or acknowledgement, it is an attempt to make 'bullying' justifiable, even admirable in this case. That really is not acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 16:43:26 GMT
Probably sometime shortly after the ex civil servant wins his constructive dismissal case in 2021 'Bullying' has been 'justified', in this case, by Priti being a woman in man's world. Those are the words used in a news report, not from her, but from someone who supports her. 'Bullying' has been modified to 'necessary strength and determination', to 'get things done'. It is not only a lack of apology or acknowledgement, it is an attempt to make 'bullying' justifiable, even admirable in this case. That really is not acceptable. I read this interesting article last night, by Ian Acheson which notes that she has been operating in a hostile environment where her aides have not been entirely cooperative and we my also note that in the words of the report, her alleged bullying may not have been intentional. A comparison has been made to the Tony Blair years, where ideologies were in alignment, that progress was rather more smooth running and that Priti Patel has been working in opposition to the will of her mandarins to get things done as she wishes. Whatever ones views on Bullying, it is worth a read coming from someone with experience of operating in that department. capx.co/the-inept-hit-job-on-priti-patel-is-the-hallmark-of-an-officer-class-in-revolt/
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 20, 2020 17:27:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 17:36:38 GMT
'Bullying' has been 'justified', in this case, by Priti being a woman in man's world. Those are the words used in a news report, not from her, but from someone who supports her. 'Bullying' has been modified to 'necessary strength and determination', to 'get things done'. It is not only a lack of apology or acknowledgement, it is an attempt to make 'bullying' justifiable, even admirable in this case. That really is not acceptable. I read this interesting article last night, by Ian Acheson which notes that she has been operating in a hostile environment where her aides have not been entirely cooperative and we my also note that in the words of the report, her alleged bullying may not have been intentional. A comparison has been made to the Tony Blair years, where ideologies were in alignment, that progress was rather more smooth running and that Priti Patel has been working in opposition to the will of her mandarins to get things done as she wishes. Whatever ones views on Bullying, it is worth a read coming from someone with experience of operating in that department. capx.co/the-inept-hit-job-on-priti-patel-is-the-hallmark-of-an-officer-class-in-revolt/That's interesting reading, thank you.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 21, 2020 10:17:01 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 21, 2020 13:42:34 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 21, 2020 19:39:26 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 25, 2020 17:33:51 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Nov 27, 2020 12:12:47 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 27, 2020 12:39:50 GMT
This government is pathetic. An embarrassment.
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Post by The Brigadier on Nov 27, 2020 13:00:12 GMT
Hands up all those who, when the time comes to be vaccinated against a deadly virus would breathe a huge sigh of relief if they could see the Union Jack on the vaccine bottle rather than be comforted solely by the thought that the vaccine ( be it Astra Zeneca/Oxford, Pfizer, Moderna or any of the others in development) had been thoroughly tested and passed by the regulators and was therefore safe for use? Anyone? Thought not. 🤦♂️
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2020 10:48:40 GMT
Hands up all those who, when the time comes to be vaccinated against a deadly virus would breathe a huge sigh of relief if they could see the Union Jack on the vaccine bottle rather than be comforted solely by the thought that the vaccine ( be it Astra Zeneca/Oxford, Pfizer, Moderna or any of the others in development) had been thoroughly tested and passed by the regulators and was therefore safe for use? Anyone? Never overestimate the public. Or at least that's what the NHS think, apparently.
We won't get vaccinated just because it's obvious, life-saving, the only way back to normality and recommended by virtually the whole medical profession.
But we will get vaccinated if 'celebrities' and 'influencers' tell us we should. This is either patronising rubbish or (if they really think it would be necessary) a reason to suspect the average IQ is well below 100. ('Ohh look, it's that footballer bloke and her what does product demos online, you know - whatsername, her. Well if they think it's OK I s'pose we should get the jab eh?')
Putting the flag on a British product seems mild by comparison! Mind you I do remember reading some British academic who said they hoped the successful vaccine wouldn't be British - can't have any success for Britain these days can we - so perhaps if the flag is on the bottle, I could have their dose? Ta!
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2020 11:42:47 GMT
Remember when the Brown government wanted a slogan to describe 'Britishness' in a few words? As I recall, the "winner" (of those broadcastable) sent in to the BBC was 'May Contain Nuts'. The idea faded quietly away, for some reason...
I think Britishness (and the Union) are a bit like the famous line about understanding jazz music: 'If you've got to ask, you'll never know.'
And any attempt to 'sell' either is usually counterproductive because our collective national response is to laugh and stick our tongues out. Historically that's been a huge strength imo - but for the Union right now, it's a problem. Flag-waving nationalism is apparently inspiring and celebratory and good - as long as it's not the Union Flag being waved.
Imo the Union will be saved (if at all) by appeals to the head and wallet, not the heart, but personally I don't think such appeals will succeed a second time, not with the effective near-demise of Labour in Scotland after the effort of winning the first indyref.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 14:45:56 GMT
Remember when the Brown government wanted a slogan to describe 'Britishness' in a few words? As I recall, the "winner" (of those broadcastable) sent in to the BBC was 'May Contain Nuts'. The idea faded quietly away, for some reason...
I think Britishness (and the Union) are a bit like the famous line about understanding jazz music: 'If you've got to ask, you'll never know.'
And any attempt to 'sell' either is usually counterproductive because our collective national response is to laugh and stick our tongues out. Historically that's been a huge strength imo - but for the Union right now, it's a problem. Flag-waving nationalism is apparently inspiring and celebratory and good - as long as it's not the Union Flag being waved.
Imo the Union will be saved (if at all) by appeals to the head and wallet, not the heart, but personally I don't think such appeals will succeed a second time, not with the effective near-demise of Labour in Scotland after the effort of winning the first indyref.
A reasonable justification put forward for having the Union Jack on the vaccine was that, given its ability to be transported in refrigerated conditions as opposed to -70 degrees, it will be more suited to transportation to poorer countries at cost price or as part of overseas aid. Like much of what we provide in aid, it is part of our significant 'soft power' to provide such logistical and material assistance and it is therefore important to make clear where such things come from. It would be naïve to think that other countries or organisations do not do likewise. Given that the EU for one, slaps its flag on everything that has received even just a percentage of funding, its not a big ask. The public toilets in Barnard Castle Market Place, for one example, has an EU flag outside, because they contributed towards some of the cost of its refurbishment. It is a common sight in the USA for residential houses to fly the Stars & Stripes, yet we have local authorities who object to flying the Union flag atop public buildings. As a country we (the English in particular) seem to have submitted to becoming embarrassed by our history whilst Nationalism is as strong as ever elsewhere, including within the Union. Anyhow, I read this excellent article yesterday by Neil Oliver, which is recommended to all, where he argues from an emotional, as opposed to economical, perspective: www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-british-state-of-mindwww.these-islands.co.uk/publications/i366/neil_olivers_paean_to_britain.aspx
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 30, 2020 15:06:43 GMT
Remember when the Brown government wanted a slogan to describe 'Britishness' in a few words? As I recall, the "winner" (of those broadcastable) sent in to the BBC was 'May Contain Nuts'. The idea faded quietly away, for some reason...
I think Britishness (and the Union) are a bit like the famous line about understanding jazz music: 'If you've got to ask, you'll never know.'
And any attempt to 'sell' either is usually counterproductive because our collective national response is to laugh and stick our tongues out. Historically that's been a huge strength imo - but for the Union right now, it's a problem. Flag-waving nationalism is apparently inspiring and celebratory and good - as long as it's not the Union Flag being waved.
Imo the Union will be saved (if at all) by appeals to the head and wallet, not the heart, but personally I don't think such appeals will succeed a second time, not with the effective near-demise of Labour in Scotland after the effort of winning the first indyref.
A reasonable justification put forward for having the Union Jack on the vaccine was that, given its ability to be transported in refrigerated conditions as opposed to -70 degrees, it will be more suited to transportation to poorer countries at cost price or as part of overseas aid. Like much of what we provide in aid, it is part of our significant 'soft power' to provide such logistical and material assistance and it is therefore important to make clear where such things come from. It would be naïve to think that other countries or organisations do not do likewise. Given that the EU for one, slaps its flag on everything that has received even just a percentage of funding, its not a big ask. The public toilets in Barnard Castle Market Place, for one example, has an EU flag outside, because they contributed towards some of the cost of its refurbishment. It is a common sight in the USA for residential houses to fly the Stars & Stripes, yet we have local authorities who object to flying the Union flag atop public buildings. As a country we (the English in particular) seem to have submitted to becoming embarrassed by our history whilst Nationalism is as strong as ever elsewhere, including within the Union. Anyhow, I read this excellent article yesterday by Neil Oliver, which is recommended to all, where he argues from an emotional, as opposed to economical, perspective: www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-british-state-of-mindwww.these-islands.co.uk/publications/i366/neil_olivers_paean_to_britain.aspxFor me there's more than a hint of British exceptionalism in that article. I guess I just don't have this strong image of a mythic United Kingdom.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 3, 2020 14:32:57 GMT
Urgh. What pointless jingoistic nonsense from this oaf! All during this crisis the Tories have been obsessed with being 'world beating'.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 15:10:38 GMT
Urgh. What pointless jingoistic nonsense from this oaf! All during this crisis the Tories have been obsessed with being 'world beating'. Alas, I find it hard to believe he is a Cabinet Minister, such is his archetypical tory-boy 'I cannot believe he actually said that' history. Remember, this is the former Defence Secretary who, in the middle of a diplomatic crisis, told the Russians to "go away and shut up". I can accept us taking a risk and launching vaccinations ahead of everyone else, because we are cutting corners and due process but this is becoming like when the Phoenix Group slapped a 'Rover City' badge, trim & grille on Indian made cars, so that they could claim they qualified for 'British Built' status and thus bear a Union Jack badge on the boot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 16:26:54 GMT
Urgh. What pointless jingoistic nonsense from this oaf! All during this crisis the Tories have been obsessed with being 'world beating'. Alas, I find it hard to believe he is a Cabinet Minister, such is his archetypical tory-boy 'I cannot believe he actually said that' history. Remember, this is the former Defence Secretary who, in the middle of a diplomatic crisis, told the Russians to "go away and shut up". I can accept us taking a risk and launching vaccinations ahead of everyone else, because we are cutting corners and due process but this is becoming like when the Phoenix Group slapped a 'Rover City' badge, trim & grille on Indian made cars, so that they could claim they qualified for 'British Built' status and thus bear a Union Jack badge on the boot. What an absolute Top Hat. It would be nice to think he will be reprimanded in some way for these comments, but I doubt he will be.
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 3, 2020 16:31:47 GMT
Alas, I find it hard to believe he is a Cabinet Minister, such is his archetypical tory-boy 'I cannot believe he actually said that' history. Remember, this is the former Defence Secretary who, in the middle of a diplomatic crisis, told the Russians to "go away and shut up". I can accept us taking a risk and launching vaccinations ahead of everyone else, because we are cutting corners and due process but this is becoming like when the Phoenix Group slapped a 'Rover City' badge, trim & grille on Indian made cars, so that they could claim they qualified for 'British Built' status and thus bear a Union Jack badge on the boot. What an absolute Top Hat. It would be nice to think he will be reprimanded in some way for these comments, but I doubt he will be. Like every other minister or adviser in this government who transgresses in any way, the Prime Minister will consider the matter closed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 17:21:17 GMT
What an absolute Top Hat. It would be nice to think he will be reprimanded in some way for these comments, but I doubt he will be. Like every other minister or adviser in this government who transgresses in any way, the Prime Minister will consider the matter closed Well lets face it, he treats Parliament and his own back-benchers with contempt, so he sets the standard for his ministers. The speaker has repeatedly laid into him for releasing things to the press before the House has an opportunity to read or discuss matters. He arrives to the chamber only when he is due to speak and leaves when he is finished, yet is still unprepared and often without notes. A couple of weeks back, he walked out when he was finished speaking in a debate, even though his predecessor Teresa May, was actually stood up and in the process of addressing him on a point. Just this week, in debating the Tiers, he was seen raising his eyes heavenwards and shaking his head disdainfully at one of his own MP's, for making a point he did not like to hear. I am afraid I no longer listen to anything he has to say, as it lacks substance and is, as even some of his backbenchers have noted, all to frequently with recourse 'sub-Churchillian guff, or rhetoric'. No matter how important the issue, he still resorts to winging it with 'fight them on the beaches' flannel. A big let down.
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