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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 26, 2021 10:26:47 GMT
Yep, this guy has completely cracked. The message about sliding into some very nasty political ideologies, mental health, job loss and the country being run by unelected officials is absolutely on point though. Not the sign of anyone "cracked". Yet it'll now just be the "Pint of milk" speech given the incredibly odd way he chose to frame his attacks. He's got exactly the right targets - and exactly the wrong weapons to fire with. What you've described is why I used the term - why on earth use this inane analogy when he can just talk plainly? Then again, he has to be just a little loopy if he says all this... and still stays with the Tories who have reinvented all that into an artform. Guess milk is easier than abiding by princples.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 26, 2021 14:17:46 GMT
Apparently Alex Salmond is launching a new political party, the Alba Party.
As I understand it, if they stand in the regional list only and not the constituencies, it is theoretically possible for the pro-independence parties to "game" the system and get more regional seats than the SNP would on its own. This is because the regional seats act as a top-up to the constituencies and when a party does very well in the constituencies (as the SNP is likely to do) it does not get very many top-up seats, whereas the Alba party with no constituency seats would do well in the regional lists if SNP supporters voted tactically for them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 14:59:53 GMT
Apparently Alex Salmond is launching a new political party, the Alba Party. I bet that's gone down well in the Sturgeon household!
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Post by number13 on Mar 26, 2021 15:02:10 GMT
Apparently Alex Salmond is launching a new political party, the Alba Party. As I understand it, if they stand in the regional list only and not the constituencies, it is theoretically possible for the pro-independence parties to "game" the system and get more regional seats than the SNP would on its own. This is because the regional seats act as a top-up to the constituencies and when a party does very well in the constituencies (as the SNP is likely to do) it does not get very many top-up seats, whereas the Alba party with no constituency seats would do well in the regional lists if SNP supporters voted tactically for them. It depends - there's a cut-off point for vote share below which no list seats are won in a region.
Assuming that all votes for Alba would otherwise have been for the SNP or Greens, a significant vote for Alba coming mostly from SNP voters would presumably increase the number of pro-independence list MSPs. But a small vote for Alba coming mostly from the Greens might well increase list seats won by the unionist parties by putting both Alba and Green candidates below the threshold required to gain a seat. A vote share somewhere in between, and the party of the pro-independence MSPs might change, but not the overall nationalist/unionist balance.
It would only really work imo if the SNP told all their supporters to vote Alba on the list vote. (I'm sure there's a good Scots saying equivalent to 'pigs might fly' but I don't know what it is!)
But if it does work well enough for Alba to hold the parliamentary balance of power, just imagine the coalition negotiations...
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 26, 2021 16:01:29 GMT
Apparently Alex Salmond is launching a new political party, the Alba Party. As I understand it, if they stand in the regional list only and not the constituencies, it is theoretically possible for the pro-independence parties to "game" the system and get more regional seats than the SNP would on its own. This is because the regional seats act as a top-up to the constituencies and when a party does very well in the constituencies (as the SNP is likely to do) it does not get very many top-up seats, whereas the Alba party with no constituency seats would do well in the regional lists if SNP supporters voted tactically for them. It depends - there's a cut-off point for vote share below which no list seats are won in a region.
Assuming that all votes for Alba would otherwise have been for the SNP or Greens, a significant vote for Alba coming mostly from SNP voters would presumably increase the number of pro-independence list MSPs. But a small vote for Alba coming mostly from the Greens might well increase list seats won by the unionist parties by putting both Alba and Green candidates below the threshold required to gain a seat. A vote share somewhere in between, and the party of the pro-independence MSPs might change, but not the overall nationalist/unionist balance.
It would only really work imo if the SNP told all their supporters to vote Alba on the list vote. (I'm sure there's a good Scots saying equivalent to 'pigs might fly' but I don't know what it is!)
But if it does work well enough for Alba to hold the parliamentary balance of power, just imagine the coalition negotiations... There was an article on the BBC website a few months ago about this very possibility - a 2nd list only pro-independence party to game the system. That's where most of my post came from.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
A couple of thoughts: - I wonder to what extent this might encourage unionist tactical voting and if that might have any impact. I'm sure there must be tactical voting websites saying the Unionist most likely to win in each constituency - I wonder how many of the SNP will follow Salmond - Joanne Cherry, etc.
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Post by number13 on Mar 26, 2021 17:18:15 GMT
It depends - there's a cut-off point for vote share below which no list seats are won in a region.
Assuming that all votes for Alba would otherwise have been for the SNP or Greens, a significant vote for Alba coming mostly from SNP voters would presumably increase the number of pro-independence list MSPs. But a small vote for Alba coming mostly from the Greens might well increase list seats won by the unionist parties by putting both Alba and Green candidates below the threshold required to gain a seat. A vote share somewhere in between, and the party of the pro-independence MSPs might change, but not the overall nationalist/unionist balance.
It would only really work imo if the SNP told all their supporters to vote Alba on the list vote. (I'm sure there's a good Scots saying equivalent to 'pigs might fly' but I don't know what it is!)
But if it does work well enough for Alba to hold the parliamentary balance of power, just imagine the coalition negotiations... There was an article on the BBC website a few months ago about this very possibility - a 2nd list only pro-independence party to game the system. That's where most of my post came from.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
A couple of thoughts: - I wonder to what extent this might encourage unionist tactical voting and if that might have any impact. I'm sure there must be tactical voting websites saying the Unionist most likely to win in each constituency - I wonder how many of the SNP will follow Salmond - Joanne Cherry, etc.
Good points - I think there will still be less tactical unionist voting that one might expect. And a few will cross over, but not many.
Slightly disappointed they didn't go full Python and become 'The National Party of Scotland'. Then we could also have had 'The Party for Scottish Nationals' who wouldn't talk to himself after a split, in the traditional manner, and so on...
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 26, 2021 17:26:46 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 26, 2021 17:30:50 GMT
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Post by Chakoteya on Mar 26, 2021 17:38:38 GMT
^^ he's a London-based millionaire (or is that billionaire? Opinions differ). Probably scared that all those coffee houses, restaurants and bars around his luxury Kensington home will close if they don't get the commuting office workers back into the City and West End. Not to mention the luxury clothing stores down Regent Street.
The real genuine workers are probably delighted not to have to spend 5K or so a year to get to work, but I do have great sympathy for all the minimum wage people whose jobs may well disappear with the auxilliary industries if they have insufficient customers to keep paying the mega-rates and ground rents for their shops etc. and just close down.
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Post by sherlock on Mar 26, 2021 17:39:17 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 26, 2021 18:09:41 GMT
& to think a little while ago people on the right were kicking off about Angela Rayner claiming £249 on expenses for Apple Airpods.
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Post by number13 on Mar 26, 2021 20:34:43 GMT
I disliked commuting and did it as little as I could manage, so (leaving aside all the usual snide comments about him personally - and he really does attract them doesn't he? Almost as if lots of people think someone like him has no right to be rich) I agree that people should be given flexibility over where they work, as much as possible.
The downsides with working life not in the office are (from experience) it is easy to feel and become disconnected. And for a new employee, never to become connected. Employers and employees will have to work very hard to avoid this, or at least to limit it. City and town centres might suffer economically in the short term, but in the long term buildings would be converted (or for some of the older ones re-converted) to residential and the support services of cafes etc would gain evening trade replacing the daytime trade.
The really big drawback to remote working isn't that it's difficult, but rather the reverse. People who are actively campaiging against any return to office life need to be very careful to remember that if they can do their job entirely from home, someone else could in time do their job from home somewhere else in the world. Probably for a substantially lower salary.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 26, 2021 22:49:13 GMT
I think Sunak's point was not about workers "allowed" to work from home, but rather those forced to do so if their employer gives up their office space permanently. I don't agree with Rishi, I think the opposite is true - there is more risk of employees walking if they are forced to work full-time in the office with no option of home working.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 26, 2021 23:32:56 GMT
I think Sunak's point was not about workers "allowed" to work from home, but rather those forced to do so if their employer gives up their office space permanently. I don't agree with Rishi, I think the opposite is true - there is more risk of employees walking if they are forced to work full-time in the office with no option of home working. Good point. I do think the genie is out the bottle now, I can't see any justification for employers forcing office workers to work full time from the office.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 26, 2021 23:53:29 GMT
I think Sunak's point was not about workers "allowed" to work from home, but rather those forced to do so if their employer gives up their office space permanently. I don't agree with Rishi, I think the opposite is true - there is more risk of employees walking if they are forced to work full-time in the office with no option of home working. Good point. I do think the genie is out the bottle now, I can't see any justification for employers forcing office workers to work full time from the office. I work for a control freak with a low trust threshold. The thought of his staff working from home torments him, although he has had to swallow it in the last 12 months. To compensate he loves to set up Teams meetings for start time so he can make sure people are starting on time or for finishing time so he can be sure no one is finishing early. He wants daily/weekly updates from everyone working at home of what they have done.
Needless to say I am looking for a new job.
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Post by number13 on Mar 27, 2021 13:53:37 GMT
Yep, this guy has completely cracked. The message about sliding into some very nasty political ideologies, mental health, job loss and the country being run by unelected officials is absolutely on point though. Not the sign of anyone "cracked". Yet it'll now just be the "Pint of milk" speech given the incredibly odd way he chose to frame his attacks. He's got exactly the right targets - and exactly the wrong weapons to fire with. On Wednesdays when I can see PMQs and then First Minister's Questions after it, it never fails to amaze me how much waffling BULLSH*T is used in Westminister. It makes it all the more impactful when someone does cut to the chase and be direct. Sadly we get too many "pints of milk" who seem to have good intentions but dress everything up in florid crap. It was a heartfelt plea for our liberties to remain forever unskimmed.
But though I read it, I didn't see any reference to "very nasty political ideologies" and if I've understood it correctly (and that wasn't easy) I don't agree the lockdowns were (I think this was the point) too draconian.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 27, 2021 18:35:04 GMT
The message about sliding into some very nasty political ideologies, mental health, job loss and the country being run by unelected officials is absolutely on point though. Not the sign of anyone "cracked". Yet it'll now just be the "Pint of milk" speech given the incredibly odd way he chose to frame his attacks. He's got exactly the right targets - and exactly the wrong weapons to fire with. On Wednesdays when I can see PMQs and then First Minister's Questions after it, it never fails to amaze me how much waffling BULLSH*T is used in Westminister. It makes it all the more impactful when someone does cut to the chase and be direct. Sadly we get too many "pints of milk" who seem to have good intentions but dress everything up in florid crap. It was a heartfelt plea for our liberties to remain forever unskimmed.
Though this is a government that has regularly skimmed the top and kept all the cream for itself. It is a moodening business and is warranting of having a cow, man.
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Post by number13 on Mar 28, 2021 12:19:08 GMT
It was a heartfelt plea for our liberties to remain forever unskimmed.
Though this is a government that has regularly skimmed the top and kept all the cream for itself. It is a moodening business and is warranting of having a cow, man. Whatheifer. But there's no need to milk it until the cows come home...
Still, that made my Sundae morning and Icecreamed with laughter.
Au lait!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 28, 2021 12:31:46 GMT
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Post by number13 on Mar 28, 2021 16:46:25 GMT
Getting the feeling some people REALLY don't like their workplaces...
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