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Post by sherlock on Jan 6, 2020 13:14:37 GMT
So the field now looks like being: Sir Keir Starmer Emily Thornberry Clive Lewis Lisa Nandy Jess Philips And more than likely Rebecca Long-Bailey Possibly Ian Lavery Given the rules for getting nominations, it is by no means certain that all 6 will actually make it onto the ballot paper. Possibly RLB will not stand. If you look a the attacks she is already getting in the media and what Corbyn got, she may well be thinking twice about whether she wants to put herself and her family through it if she won. If she doesn't run, Ian Lavery likely will. So far there are 2 declared candidates for deputy leader: Richard Burgon Angela Rayner I believe Dawn Butler and Khalid Mahmood have also declared their candidacy for deputy leader. Long-Bailey and Lavery are leaving it a bit late to announce, the deadline to declare is tomorrow.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 6, 2020 15:21:18 GMT
NEC has decided the timetable for the contest...which means Corbyn will be in place until April, giving the new leader just over a month before local elections.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 6, 2020 15:32:41 GMT
Ian Murray talking about running for deputy leader.
Makes the case that Labour is losing out to nationalism - English nationalist votes going to Tories, Scottish nationalist votes going to SNP - and this needs to be addressed by constitutional reform. Personally I find this quite persuasive - although 1. Will not be enough on its own, will only work if Labour can lose all the Corbyn-era baggage of anti-Semitism, national security cocnerns, lack of economic credibility, etc. 2. Sounds more like a Lib Dem argument than a Labour one
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 15:44:23 GMT
Much has been said about the way Labour elect their leader and the massively disproportionate power it gives people like Len McCluskey and his like but what do people think of the way Labour elect their deputy? I can see the democratic argument for it to be a post not just ordained like a shadow cabinet post but voted on. Yet when it leads to acrimony and a leader and deputy briefing against each other, a la Corbyn and Watson, it does seem incredibly counter productive. That you have to decide to go for either the big job or the deputy means you can't have a scenario where say Starmer wins, he can have another big name with him like, say Jess Phillips as she's decided to go for the same top gig. There's a lot I dislike about US politics but the idea of being able to have a running mate who ticks boxes you don't and who can appeal to other demographics is certainly something that would be beneficial I'd have thought. Instead we can end up with two people who hate each other, or two people who appeal to the same niches and don't win any floating voters the other wouldn't have won anyway.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 6, 2020 15:46:31 GMT
NEC has decided the timetable for the contest...which means Corbyn will be in place until April, giving the new leader just over a month before local elections. Is it just me or is there something seriously wrong with the whole idea that Labour's NEC gets to rewrite the rules every time there is a leadership contest. It has a seriously bad smell, that's like the way someone like Putin would do things not the way a supposedly democratic party in a liberal democracy should do things.
Surely the rules should be set in stone and a much more formal procedure required to change them, rather than the NEC just able to do it willy nilly to boost the chances of their preferred candidate?
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Post by sherlock on Jan 6, 2020 23:11:42 GMT
Long-Bailey has declared and Lavery has endorsed her, so that’s the final candidate officially in the race.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jan 9, 2020 18:53:51 GMT
Hello again.
I would like the practical, grounded Jess Phillips to become Labour leader however, I don't think she will. Both her and Angela Rayner are real people. Both have experience of what it is like to be ordinary.
Labour needs to be a pragmatic alternative to the Tories. The attitude of some within Labour seems to be things should carry on. Mr Corbyn was just unfortunate to be pilloried by the media.
I am sorry, but thanks to the mistakes made and disconnect between the Labour leadership and Momentum and ordinary people we are now stuck with a dangerous Tory majority.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 21:52:45 GMT
Jess Phillips seems to be the only Labour Party MP that I've seen of late that comes across as actually meaning what she says or caring about the things that she talks about, so she got my vote in this poll.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 13, 2020 10:14:10 GMT
We find out at 2.30 who has made it through to the next round. Is it just me or is this like a TV game show?
4 already through - Starmer, Long-Bailey, Philips and Nandy.
2 looking iffy - Thornberry and Lewis.
The media is making much of the unofficial contest to be "prolier-than-thou".
One thing I don't get is the argument that that Starmer won't win back lost Northern voters because he is a man from London. Hello? Didn't the lost voters just go to a very posh ex-Etonian male from the home counties? It's not as if they are refusing to vote for anyone other than a Northerner. As for the argument that the next leader needs to be a woman, well that is just a self-serving argument put up by female candidates and their supporters. THe next leader needs to be the best person for the job, regardless of regional origin, gender, etc. etc. The very fact the Labour is having these discussion shows how much they have become caught up in identity politics, which is one of the major reasons they lost touch with their voters.
ps I tried editing the poll to reflect the updated list of candidates but I can't work out how. Does anyone know?
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Post by number13 on Jan 13, 2020 10:24:28 GMT
ps I tried editing the poll to reflect the updated list of candidates but I can't work out how. Does anyone know? I don't think you can edit a poll once votes have been cast. Voteless polls can be edited via editing the original post on the thread.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 13, 2020 13:52:34 GMT
Clive Lewis has withdrawn.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 13, 2020 14:24:28 GMT
And then there were 5!
According to Huff Post Emily Thornberry is through to the next stage.
Coincidentally there appears to be also 5 through to the next stage in the deputy contest as well.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 15, 2020 17:26:37 GMT
Interesting post on The Guardian live updates today at 16.49 on how the second stage of Labour contest works.
To get to stage 3 (this really is sounding more and more like a game show) candidates need nomination from either 33 constituency parties or 3 affiliated societies accounting for over 5% of affiliated members. This much I knew, but what it said was that the 5 big unions between them have 94% of affiliate member and the other 7 unions and 10 socialist societies have 6% between them. So this is why basically each candidate in effect needs the backing of 1 of the big 5 unions to progress.
So it is really a union stitch up in effect
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Post by number13 on Jan 15, 2020 23:55:23 GMT
Interesting post on The Guardian live updates today at 16.49 on how the second stage of Labour contest works. To get to stage 3 (this really is sounding more and more like a game show) candidates need nomination from either 33 constituency parties or 3 affiliated societies accounting for over 5% of affiliated members. This much I knew, but what it said was that the 5 big unions between them have 94% of affiliate member and the other 7 unions and 10 socialist societies have 6% between them. So this is why basically each candidate in effect needs the backing of 1 of the big 5 unions to progress. So it is really a union stitch up in effect I'm sure they always had a lot of importance in the old 'electoral college' system too. Under these new rules a candidate could progress via the constituency parties route without any union support at this stage, I think?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 14:11:32 GMT
It's very depressing seeing her leading the polls. Even if she would be the candidate I'd like to see (she's not even in the top 3, FWIW) she's not winning a GE unless things go REALLY badly in the next few years. And as we saw in the 80s and early 90s, even that wouldn't guarantee Labour not shooting themselves in the foot. You won't hear Long-Bailey's name without "The new Corbyn" following it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 14:51:40 GMT
It's very depressing seeing her leading the polls. Even if she would be the candidate I'd like to see (she's not even in the top 3, FWIW) she's not winning a GE unless things go REALLY badly in the next few years. And as we saw in the 80s and early 90s, even that wouldn't guarantee Labour not shooting themselves in the foot. You won't hear Long-Bailey's name without "The new Corbyn" following it. Yep. Corbyn 2.0 definitely with bloody Momentum backing her.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 16, 2020 15:20:43 GMT
It's very depressing seeing her leading the polls. Even if she would be the candidate I'd like to see (she's not even in the top 3, FWIW) she's not winning a GE unless things go REALLY badly in the next few years. And as we saw in the 80s and early 90s, even that wouldn't guarantee Labour not shooting themselves in the foot. You won't hear Long-Bailey's name without "The new Corbyn" following it. The way Momentum have gone about endorsing her, with the Stalinist vote on who to endorse but only one option on the ballot paper, will simply play into the hands of Tory propogandists if she wins
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Post by sherlock on Jan 21, 2020 16:53:28 GMT
Philips has withdrawn from the contest, after getting no endorsements from affiliates, unions or CLPs and poor performance at the first hustings her campaign had sunk.
Meanwhile, Nandy has got the endorsement of GMB Union, so now only needs an affiliate to endorse her to reach the ballot.
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Post by number13 on Jan 21, 2020 17:22:24 GMT
Philips has withdrawn from the contest, after getting no endorsements from affiliates, unions or CLPs and poor performance at the first hustings her campaign had sunk. Meanwhile, Nandy has got the endorsement of GMB Union, so now only needs an affiliate to endorse her to reach the ballot. A pity. I thought she came over well in the Sky interview and what I saw of the hustings - but then I'm hardly the target audience.
Lisa Nandy would be my next choice (if I had a vote which obviously I don't. )
But I am being serious about this - of course I'm generally a Conservative voter but I really do want Labour to have a sensible, moderate leader. Sooner or later they will win an election and I never again want to feel horrified at the prospect of their leader becoming PM as I did with Corbyn.
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