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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 6:45:13 GMT
I would like more unconventional supernatural romances with non stereotypical leads who aren’t just boring pretty people but actually have interesting stories to tell and have the monsters feel like real people (if that makes sense). I like the idea of romances with monsters, vampires, werewolves, aliens etc but too many of them feel like Twilight clones these days. Also I feel like they should take more advantage of the subtext you can have with non human romantic leads. Also why not more supernatural romantic comedies?There is all sorts of interesting supernatural rom com plots that could be done that I bet haven’t been tried yet. Sidenote: I don’t always mind if they are conventionally attractive human/monsters so as long as they are interesting and well written. It's not strictly supernatural, but are you aware of a Guillermo del Toro film called The Shape of Water? Its concept stemmed from a boyhood memory of del Toro's, watching Creature from the Black Lagoon and finding himself empathising more with the creature than the human cast.
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Post by timegirl on Jun 21, 2021 11:14:52 GMT
I would like more unconventional supernatural romances with non stereotypical leads who aren’t just boring pretty people but actually have interesting stories to tell and have the monsters feel like real people (if that makes sense). I like the idea of romances with monsters, vampires, werewolves, aliens etc but too many of them feel like Twilight clones these days. Also I feel like they should take more advantage of the subtext you can have with non human romantic leads. Also why not more supernatural romantic comedies?There is all sorts of interesting supernatural rom com plots that could be done that I bet haven’t been tried yet. Sidenote: I don’t always mind if they are conventionally attractive human/monsters so as long as they are interesting and well written. It's not strictly supernatural, but are you aware of a Guillermo del Toro film called The Shape of Water? Its concept stemmed from a boyhood memory of del Toro's, watching Creature from the Black Lagoon and finding himself empathising more with the creature than the human cast. Yes I love that movie!
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Post by Superium on Jun 22, 2021 2:21:51 GMT
I've been rewatching Star Trek: The Next Generation recently (Next episode on my list is 'Legacy') 1. Season 2 is MASSIVELY underrated. I'm actually enjoying Pulaski this time round and as far as I'm concerned, the only dud is 'Shades of Gray'. 2. As good of an episode it is, 'The Measure of a Man' is not my favourite of the season. 'Elementary, Dear Data' is.
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Post by timegirl on Jun 22, 2021 2:31:13 GMT
I never watched Game of Thrones when it was on originally because I didn’t have HBO, now that I have HBO Max I am half tempted to try it but at the same time I am very put off by how horrible the final season apparently is. Is it worth watching or would I just be disappointed?
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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 22, 2021 10:08:42 GMT
I've been rewatching Star Trek: The Next Generation recently (Next episode on my list is 'Legacy') 1. Season 2 is MASSIVELY underrated. I'm actually enjoying Pulaski this time round and as far as I'm concerned, the only dud is 'Shades of Gray'. 2. As good of an episode it is, 'The Measure of a Man' is not my favourite of the season. 'Elementary, Dear Data' is. Season 1 is, overall, not very good. The standard lifts in Season 2 and pretty much goes through the roof for the entire run, despite a tiny drop in quality in season 7 (individual episodes rather than overall writing).
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 22, 2021 10:13:43 GMT
I never watched Game of Thrones when it was on originally because I didn’t have HBO, now that I have HBO Max I am half tempted to try it but at the same time I am very put off by how horrible the final season apparently is. Is it worth watching or would I just be disappointed? I read the first book when it came out in the 90s and found it quite derivative and really only pushing the envelope in the harsh treatment it meted out to its characters. I found the series to be far superior but I lost interest by the end of series 4 simply because I just couldn’t get behind any of the characters or their motivations: it was just people being pricks to one another in more inventively cruel ways. And it’s a shame because Martin is one of the premier short story writers of the genre.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 22, 2021 10:26:37 GMT
The Nic Cage Ghost Rider films are good - if you take them as comedies.
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Post by relativetime on Jun 22, 2021 13:30:18 GMT
I never watched Game of Thrones when it was on originally because I didn’t have HBO, now that I have HBO Max I am half tempted to try it but at the same time I am very put off by how horrible the final season apparently is. Is it worth watching or would I just be disappointed? I’d recommend the books instead and then maybe the first four seasons of the show. Season 5 onwards there’s a massive dip in the quality of the writing.
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Post by timegirl on Jun 22, 2021 13:39:14 GMT
I never watched Game of Thrones when it was on originally because I didn’t have HBO, now that I have HBO Max I am half tempted to try it but at the same time I am very put off by how horrible the final season apparently is. Is it worth watching or would I just be disappointed? I’d recommend the books instead and then maybe the first four seasons of the show. Season 5 onwards there’s a massive dip in the quality of the writing. What kind of writing style are the books in?
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Post by timegirl on Jun 22, 2021 22:26:14 GMT
There are some episodes of Courage The Cowardly Dog that have scared me more than actual horror movies!
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Post by relativetime on Jun 23, 2021 9:52:25 GMT
I’d recommend the books instead and then maybe the first four seasons of the show. Season 5 onwards there’s a massive dip in the quality of the writing. What kind of writing style are the books in? Third person limited and it switches between POV characters. There are a lot of slow burning mysteries and the books focus more on the politics than the traditional action archetypes. It’s very realistic - characters misremember things or remember things from a biased perspective - so you have to piece together some bits of this vast history with a grain of salt. There’s an entire history series spinoff novel that’s written by an in-universe scholar and it’s heavily implied that even they don’t tell the actual truth in the history book they’re writing. It’s a whole lot of fun to get into fan theories about everything too. A couple of warnings, though. This series IS very, very brutal and it’s not afraid to punish POV characters for getting into bad situations. There’s a lot of death, basically and some of them are very gruesome and happen to characters you really care about. If that’s something that bothers you, I’d recommend maybe skipping. The book series is also unfinished at the moment. The last book to come out was over a decade ago and the author is STILL writing the sixth book. The show passed the books after season 5 and might match what’s to come in the books in broad strokes - though I’m hopeful it matches NONE of it because the entire last half of the show infuriated me to no end - but it’s anyone’s guess at this point.
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Post by grinch on Jun 24, 2021 18:30:39 GMT
I find Kevin Smith very overrated as a filmmaker. Clerks to me was simply a case of the right idea at the right time and I don’t think he has improved or involved after that.
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Post by Superium on Jun 24, 2021 18:53:27 GMT
I've been rewatching Star Trek: The Next Generation recently (Next episode on my list is 'Legacy') 1. Season 2 is MASSIVELY underrated. I'm actually enjoying Pulaski this time round and as far as I'm concerned, the only dud is 'Shades of Gray'. 2. As good of an episode it is, 'The Measure of a Man' is not my favourite of the season. 'Elementary, Dear Data' is. 3. I don't understand the hate for the Holodeck episodes. I see people rank them as some of the worst and I just don't get it.
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Post by timegirl on Jun 25, 2021 19:06:53 GMT
Meta subtext enhances tv and films. This is especially the case with actors who have worked together previously reuniting in an interesting and unexpected way.
Sidenote: I can think of a certain actor and actress I would love to see reunited in a tv show or movie where the roles they play, like their previous characters are in love with each other, but this time they get to have a full blown romance and not just subtext 😉
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 26, 2021 12:21:01 GMT
Stories told in anachronic order really don’t have much of an interesting storyline to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 13:12:37 GMT
I've been rewatching Star Trek: The Next Generation recently (Next episode on my list is 'Legacy') 1. Season 2 is MASSIVELY underrated. I'm actually enjoying Pulaski this time round and as far as I'm concerned, the only dud is 'Shades of Gray'. 2. As good of an episode it is, 'The Measure of a Man' is not my favourite of the season. 'Elementary, Dear Data' is. 3. I don't understand the hate for the Holodeck episodes. I see people rank them as some of the worst and I just don't get it. I've a strong suspicion it was overexposure and not exclusively through Trek either. Back in 1987, when TNG started, the ability to having characters explore virtual spaces was a really cool and unusual concept. It allowed them to tap into other genres otherwise closed off to them and engage in existential ideas like what constitutes life in ways that weren't trapped in semantics. As time went on, though, I think sensibilities changed, technology evolved to become more accessible and virtual realities like the Holodeck lost the initial appeal it once had. A bit like the initial wow factor of a mobile phone. It was an exciting novelty at first, but something that grew to become more mundane and the stories had to keep escalating their stakes in order to keep up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 15:42:20 GMT
I find Kevin Smith very overrated as a filmmaker. Clerks to me was simply a case of the right idea at the right time and I don’t think he has improved or involved after that. I think Kevin would be the first to admit he's not a very good director. Honestly I don't think that many think he is now - late 90s to early 2000s? Absolutely. But now he's a pop culture figure more than a creative force in film.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 15:47:09 GMT
3. I don't understand the hate for the Holodeck episodes. I see people rank them as some of the worst and I just don't get it. I've a strong suspicion it was overexposure and not exclusively through Trek either. Back in 1987, when TNG started, the ability to having characters explore virtual spaces was a really cool and unusual concept. It allowed them to tap into other genres otherwise closed off to them and engage in existential ideas like what constitutes life in ways that weren't trapped in semantics. As time went on, though, I think sensibilities changed, technology evolved to become more accessible and virtual realities like the Holodeck lost the initial appeal it once had. A bit like the initial wow factor of a mobile phone. It was an exciting novelty at first, but something that grew to become more mundane and the stories had to keep escalating their stakes in order to keep up.See also: Borg. They never topped Best Of Both Worlds. First Contact I'll let them away with as big screen Borg on a new Enterprise? OK. Even if I don't think Picard's Ahab attitude jives with the meetings with them post-Best Of. He's acting like he's never met Hugh. But certainly by the time they were teaming with Lore, and certainly in Voyager the toothpaste was out the tube and you can't get it back in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 2:13:42 GMT
I've a strong suspicion it was overexposure and not exclusively through Trek either. Back in 1987, when TNG started, the ability to having characters explore virtual spaces was a really cool and unusual concept. It allowed them to tap into other genres otherwise closed off to them and engage in existential ideas like what constitutes life in ways that weren't trapped in semantics. As time went on, though, I think sensibilities changed, technology evolved to become more accessible and virtual realities like the Holodeck lost the initial appeal it once had. A bit like the initial wow factor of a mobile phone. It was an exciting novelty at first, but something that grew to become more mundane and the stories had to keep escalating their stakes in order to keep up.See also: Borg. They never topped Best Of Both Worlds. First Contact I'll let them away with as big screen Borg on a new Enterprise? OK. Even if I don't think Picard's Ahab attitude jives with the meetings with them post-Best Of. He's acting like he's never met Hugh. But certainly by the time they were teaming with Lore, and certainly in Voyager the toothpaste was out the tube and you can't get it back in. Picard's attitude needed an additional push, I think. The novelisation of The Undiscovered Country did something similar with Kirk and his quite visceral reaction to the Klingons. Turns out, that he was seconded to the mission just as he and Carol Marcus were beginning to reconnect. The colony where she's staying is bombarded in a Klingon attack, she ends up very badly hospitalised and, suddenly, all those old wounds are ripped open again. The tragedy of Picard's brother and nephew in Generations, the house fire, actually fits a lot better as the catalyst for his behaviour in First Contact than with the Nexus earlier. Agreed, the Borg were among TNG's first attempts at doing cosmic horror. Q Who and The Best of Both Worlds excelled at making them this genuinely implacable enemy that the Enterprise only overcame by chance. The trouble was, you can't really do your Rat Patrol/Combat shoot-'em-ups with a cosmic horror and not lose something in the process. I struggle with the Borg Queen in First Contact for that reason. I think it humanises them a bit too much. It was a character that crossed from speaking for (as extensions of the Collective, like Locutus and Seven) to embodying the Borg. A difficult thing to do for something so fundamentally decentralised and impersonal.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 27, 2021 5:36:37 GMT
IMO the Borg worked best as this force, they don’t care about you, your politics your empire.... if you’ve got something they want - they take it. They wanted Picard’s knowledge, so took him. There’s something interesting on Earth so they’re going to go there to take it. Space Zombies are a massive step backwards from that, no matter how much “unstoppable’ or “you can never beat them the same way twice” you add. ST: Picard salvages the interesting from the space zombies because they’re just creepy furniture designed to torment Picard and drive forward a mystery - what was so bad that happened to the Cube that made the rest of the Collective quarantine it? Okay, it might not ace the landing, but it was interesting beyond “space zombies”. Even the Cube/Collective’s suggestion that Annika is “important” suggests depths to the story.
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