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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 18:01:51 GMT
Matchstick Men would make the perfect title for such a title. A historical tale just made for the 9th Doctor. Well, Christopher Eccleston anyway. Quick trivia quiz for all: 'Who' is the only Doctor to have worn a Flat Cap in the role? Pertwee in his hospital wardrobe nicking scene comes to mind!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 18:10:23 GMT
A historical tale just made for the 9th Doctor. Well, Christopher Eccleston anyway. Quick trivia quiz for all: 'Who' is the only Doctor to have worn a Flat Cap in the role? Pertwee in his hospital wardrobe nicking scene comes to mind! That's the one! The one he couldn't stand, as The Cat would have said. Come to think of it, though I could be wrong, bar that one episode, he and Colin Baker are the only two (Classic) Doctors never to have worn a hat as part of their 'outfit'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 20:29:50 GMT
Pertwee in his hospital wardrobe nicking scene comes to mind! That's the one! The one he couldn't stand, as The Cat would have said. Come to think of it, though I could be wrong, bar that one episode, he and Colin Baker are the only two (Classic) Doctors never to have worn a hat as part of their 'outfit'. I think you're right. Let's see... One had the Astrakhan and then a Panama hat, Two had the stovepipe, Four had the felt fedora, Five and Seven both had Panama hats... I think the closest Sixie got to a hat on-screen was the sun visor in The Two Doctors. He gets a top hat in Players which promptly gets a rifle round straight through the middle of it by a sniper. The perils of fashion and all that.
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Post by number13 on Jan 7, 2021 15:01:34 GMT
King George III. An English monarch who famously struggled with mental illness during the latter part of his life. He would be a fascinating character. (Though I believe his illness is now thought to have been a physical disease which caused the symptoms of what they termed 'madness'.)
He was very interested in science - astronomy and time/clocks/navigation especially - and had a private observatory at Kew, so no doubt he would find a lot to discuss with the Doctor. He was the patron of William Herschel the astronomer and visted his great telescope which the Tenth Doctor wanted Rose to see in 'The Sword of the Chevalier', so maybe another incarnation had met the king there on an earlier visit?
Who know what they might have sighted through the largest telescope ever built...
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Post by number13 on Jan 7, 2021 15:04:55 GMT
A historical tale just made for the 9th Doctor. Well, Christopher Eccleston anyway. Quick trivia quiz for all: 'Who' is the only Doctor to have worn a Flat Cap in the role? Pertwee in his hospital wardrobe nicking scene comes to mind! He nicked a wardrobe? Those jacket pockets really must be bigger on the inside...
(I wish he'd hung onto the hat. Very stylish! I love the shot where he looks in the mirror, adjusts it and clearly thinks - 'not bad, oh yes I could get used to this'. The dandy Doctor is born! )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 15:13:35 GMT
Pertwee in his hospital wardrobe nicking scene comes to mind! He nicked a wardrobe? Those jacket pockets really must be bigger on the inside...
(I wish he'd hung onto the hat. Very stylish! I love the shot where he looks in the mirror, adjusts it and clearly thinks - 'not bad, oh yes I could get used to this'. The dandy Doctor is born! ) No, no, no. He's your favourite and yet you clearly don't know him at all! He's clearly thinking "Not bad...but I'll save it for The House That Dripped Blood"
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Post by grinch on Jan 7, 2021 15:17:07 GMT
King George III. An English monarch who famously struggled with mental illness during the latter part of his life. He would be a fascinating character. (Though I believe his illness is now thought to have been a physical disease which caused the symptoms of what they termed 'madness'.)
He was very interested in science - astronomy and time/clocks/navigation especially - and had a private observatory at Kew, so no doubt he would find a lot to discuss with the Doctor. He was the patron of William Herschel the astronomer and visted his great telescope which the Tenth Doctor wanted Rose to see in 'The Sword of the Chevalier', so maybe another incarnation had met the king there on an earlier visit?
Who know what they might have sighted through the largest telescope ever built...
Definitely would fit with someone such as the First or Second Doctor. I’m imagining the Second Doctor taking a look through the telescope, pulling away from it with an ‘Oh dear’ and then beckoning the King to have a look through it. Only to see a gigantic eye staring back at them. Cue cliffhanger.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 9:47:21 GMT
That's the one! The one he couldn't stand, as The Cat would have said. Come to think of it, though I could be wrong, bar that one episode, he and Colin Baker are the only two (Classic) Doctors never to have worn a hat as part of their 'outfit'. I think you're right. Let's see... One had the Astrakhan and then a Panama hat, Two had the stovepipe, Four had the felt fedora, Five and Seven both had Panama hats... I think the closest Sixie got to a hat on-screen was the sun visor in The Two Doctors. He gets a top hat in Players which promptly gets a rifle round straight through the middle of it by a sniper. The perils of fashion and all that. I guess one could also count the Second Doctor's Woolly hat in Fury from the Deep (a pity he did not wear his Tea Cosy) , the Fourth Doctors Bowler hat in Fang Rock and his Deerstalker in Talons. And here's Troughton's Second Doctor in a Tam O'Shanter - mores the pity so much of his footage is missing:
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Post by number13 on Jan 8, 2021 13:41:55 GMT
I think you're right. Let's see... One had the Astrakhan and then a Panama hat, Two had the stovepipe, Four had the felt fedora, Five and Seven both had Panama hats... I think the closest Sixie got to a hat on-screen was the sun visor in The Two Doctors. He gets a top hat in Players which promptly gets a rifle round straight through the middle of it by a sniper. The perils of fashion and all that. I guess one could also count the Second Doctor's Woolly hat in Fury from the Deep (a pity he did not wear his Tea Cosy) , the Fourth Doctors Bowler hat in Fang Rock and his Deerstalker in Talons. And here's Troughton's Second Doctor in a Tam O'Shanter - mores the pity so much of his footage is missing: I would like a hat like that!
The Fourth Doctor is wearing something similar, but differently trimmed, at the start of 'Terror of the Zygons'. He obviously likes to dress for the Highland occasion.
One or two more for the normally hatless Third Doctor: he wears a caver's helmet in 'The Silurians' and a miner's helmet in 'The Green Death', also a peaked cap in that story as '"Jones the Milkman" and let us not forget "Mrs. Mopp's" headscarf (as if we could!), if that counts. I think a bit of the Second Doctor's love of random headgear survived into his next incarnation and he only didn't wear a hat all the time because of the increasing magnificence of his bouffon!
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Post by grinch on Jan 8, 2021 13:47:48 GMT
Just a shame the Second Doctor never bumped into the Mad Hatter and the rest of the Tea Party when he was wandering around the Land of Fiction. Possible insanity from the former aside, I’m sure they would have had a truly delightful rapport with one another.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 15:19:48 GMT
I guess one could also count the Second Doctor's Woolly hat in Fury from the Deep (a pity he did not wear his Tea Cosy) , the Fourth Doctors Bowler hat in Fang Rock and his Deerstalker in Talons. And here's Troughton's Second Doctor in a Tam O'Shanter - mores the pity so much of his footage is missing: I would like a hat like that!
The Fourth Doctor is wearing something similar, but differently trimmed, at the start of 'Terror of the Zygons'. He obviously likes to dress for the Highland occasion.
One or two more for the normally hatless Third Doctor: he wears a caver's helmet in 'The Silurians' and a miner's helmet in 'The Green Death', also a peaked cap in that story as '"Jones the Milkman" and let us not forget "Mrs. Mopp's" headscarf (as if we could!), if that counts. I think a bit of the Second Doctor's love of random headgear survived into his next incarnation and he only didn't wear a hat all the time because of the increasing magnificence of his bouffon!
Thanks for the Zygons reminder - considering there has just been a Character Options themed set, that's quite an oversight! I did consider the Third Doctors Milkman and Caver appearances, but I would guess they were 'out of costume', a bit like his Spacesuit in Frontier in Space. I agree that his bouffant seems to be the factor here. This is quite a tangent from discussing Lowry & Flat capped Northerners....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 18:30:15 GMT
Well there's a funny thing...
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 8, 2021 19:57:36 GMT
I think a story with Sir Francis Bacon and/or his think tank could be awesome. In The New Atlantis I think he is telling King James something to the effect that Native Americans have modern conveniences, and one of his associates is supposed to have been freshening the air in his submarine by heating saltpeter to release oxygen well before oxygen was discovered by Preistley. What an interesting lot.
On the other hand I would hate for the authors to have to poke around the nooks and crannies of Bacon's history because stuff like this seems very odd and complex in its own way. I'm content for authors to only have to know a little about history when writing historicals. One shouldn't have to be a historian to write one, lol.
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Post by number13 on Jan 8, 2021 21:31:14 GMT
I think a story with Sir Francis Bacon and/or his think tank could be awesome. In The New Atlantis I think he is telling King James something to the effect that Native Americans have modern conveniences, and one of his associates is supposed to have been freshening the air in his submarine by heating saltpeter to release oxygen well before oxygen was discovered by Preistley. What an interesting lot. On the other hand I would hate for the authors to have to poke around the nooks and crannies of Bacon's history because stuff like this seems very odd and complex in its own way. I'm content for authors to only have to know a little about history when writing historicals. One shouldn't have to be a historian to write one, lol. That would be great. Sir John Dee "The Queen's Magician" at the court of Elizabeth I would be another fascinating figure from early English science, still at the time when they conflated science and alchemy and magic.
The queen was by all accounts brilliant herself (well beyond the usual court flattery of the royals! ) and I think we could do with a better portrayal of one of the most influential women in European history than the 'off with their heads' nonsense we've been dished up so far.
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Post by grinch on Jan 8, 2021 22:15:17 GMT
I think a story with Sir Francis Bacon and/or his think tank could be awesome. In The New Atlantis I think he is telling King James something to the effect that Native Americans have modern conveniences, and one of his associates is supposed to have been freshening the air in his submarine by heating saltpeter to release oxygen well before oxygen was discovered by Preistley. What an interesting lot. On the other hand I would hate for the authors to have to poke around the nooks and crannies of Bacon's history because stuff like this seems very odd and complex in its own way. I'm content for authors to only have to know a little about history when writing historicals. One shouldn't have to be a historian to write one, lol. That would be great. Sir John Dee "The Queen's Magician" at the court of Elizabeth I would be another fascinating figure from early English science, still at the time when they conflated science and alchemy and magic.
The queen was by all accounts brilliant herself (well beyond the usual court flattery of the royals! ) and I think we could do with a better portrayal of one of the most influential women in European history than the 'off with their heads' nonsense we've been dished up so far. Have we honestly never had John Dee make an appearance in Doctor Who? That’s very surprising if that is indeed the case. After all, the idea of him dabbling in forces unknown means that the story practically writes itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 0:56:38 GMT
That would be great. Sir John Dee "The Queen's Magician" at the court of Elizabeth I would be another fascinating figure from early English science, still at the time when they conflated science and alchemy and magic.
The queen was by all accounts brilliant herself (well beyond the usual court flattery of the royals! ) and I think we could do with a better portrayal of one of the most influential women in European history than the 'off with their heads' nonsense we've been dished up so far. Have we honestly never had John Dee make an appearance in Doctor Who? That’s very surprising if that is indeed the case. After all, the idea of him dabbling in forces unknown means that the story practically writes itself. Dee's history within the show is a bit of an interesting cauldron of events in and of itself. In Birthright, he's actually an immortal called Jared Khan, hunting the Seventh Doctor under one of many aliases he's assumed over the centuries. There's definitely a real astrologer floating around, though. The genuine Dee shows up in A Storm of Angels, alongside Bayldon's First Doctor and Susan as part of the Unbound series. It's another gorgeous script from Marc Platt dabbling in something very awry in history. There are a few Short Trips featuring him, but the next full-length appearance from him is with the Twelfth Doctor in an audiobook called The Lost Magic (which I haven't heard yet, but the premise of Dee meeting Drake sounds rather good).
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Post by number13 on Jan 9, 2021 1:27:26 GMT
Have we honestly never had John Dee make an appearance in Doctor Who? That’s very surprising if that is indeed the case. After all, the idea of him dabbling in forces unknown means that the story practically writes itself. Dee's history within the show is a bit of an interesting cauldron of events in and of itself. In Birthright, he's actually an immortal called Jared Khan, hunting the Seventh Doctor under one of many aliases he's assumed over the centuries. There's definitely a real astrologer floating around, though. The genuine Dee shows up in A Storm of Angels, alongside Bayldon's First Doctor and Susan as part of the Unbound series. It's another gorgeous script from Marc Platt dabbling in something very awry in history. There are a few Short Trips featuring him, but the next full-length appearance from him is with the Twelfth Doctor in an audiobook called The Lost Magic (which I haven't heard yet, but the premise of Dee meeting Drake sounds rather good). Ahha! Does he, in deed? Thanks Wolfie, that's the only Unbound I've not heard yet and it has just moved high up my backlog listening list!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 11:10:18 GMT
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
I visited southern Turkey during the mid 90's and visited a couple of Mosques (large and small) and also some key historical sites travelling beyond the resort. He was and still is held in high regard for his modernisation of the country as a gateway between east and west through establishing a progressive secular, industrialised nation with Islam as the core Religion, much as we have in the UK with a secular Government but as a Christian country.
I think he would be a source of a more complex and nuanced exploration of 20th Century history and less parochial than the Anglo Saxon figures that we see so much foregrounded in pure historical tales. There is also a very contemporary relevance to which it is worth understanding what he achieved and what is at risk through regression or the dismantling of his legacy.
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 10, 2021 6:28:18 GMT
You know, it'll never happen, but then again... they -did- do Santa Clause... so why not Jesus Christ?
The tough part would be making it so it's not offensive. Like... maybe set it before he started proselytizing (or is it He?), or relatively early? Just make him an incidental character? Or do like they did with Santa, and lean into the historical biographical theories, and just make him/Him a dude wandering through Asia to learn about other philosophies. I think that was a biographical theory Hermann Hesse was fond of... not sure whether or not it's been debunked or supplanted by something else.
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Post by grinch on Jan 12, 2021 22:13:03 GMT
Harry Price. Well known in his day for investigating psychic phenomena and exposing fraudulent spiritualists. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_PriceAlso investigated the famous Borley Rectory which surely is a story in itself.
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