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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 19, 2020 12:04:13 GMT
Well I have started this set. After really enjoying the previous set I was looking forward to it, so I hope it improves after the first story. The Lumiat started off well but then there was a clunky unnecessary exposition dump & it transpired that the only reason for this story to exist was to fill a gap in the TV show that didn't need filling. This is something BF have a habit of doing now & again but rarely have I heard it done in such a heavy-handed inept way where everything grinds to a halt. It would have been far better to have some mystery retained surrounding the character of The Lumiat, or have her character be the over-arcing thread of the box set appearing in each adventure. But sadly the writer thought we need to have everything laid out for us in the most undramatic way, it sounds like the character reading out their own wikipedia page! {Spoiler} & the final message that all Missy wants is to be loved was cringy.
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Post by Ela on May 3, 2021 2:35:49 GMT
I enjoyed these stories. Loved having Strax in one of them and enjoyed Missy and The Monk bouncing off each other.
More, please.
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Post by Chakoteya on Jun 11, 2021 16:26:48 GMT
Started this lot at last. Lumiat - I still think Trek did it best with The Enemy Within in exploring the duality of good and evil existing within individuals.
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Post by Chakoteya on Jun 16, 2021 15:05:18 GMT
Brimstone and Terror...
thankfully didn't live up to the implications of Brimstone and Treacle the play - (although it might match the recipe ingredients for old cures, brimstone being sulphur or hellish heat and treacle being thick and sickly) - in which a nasty person does something unspeakable to a helpless innocent in order to bring about a good result. Or maybe it was supposed to and I missed it?
Nice to have Celtic mythology referenced for a change instead of Greek or Roman. It would have been fun for Missy tohave turned into a Cailleach! She wouldn't have liked that at all.
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Post by Chakoteya on Jun 17, 2021 16:46:41 GMT
Treason and Plot nit-pick (I've not finished it yet) If every Time Agent get to 'do' Gunpowder Plot, then surely the undercroft should be rammed full of Time Agents and time meddlers, because they are all present at those same space-time coordinates? Further thoughts to follow later.
Edit. All done. Not the greatest, but stylistically in keeping with the set. (And my occasional gripe of naming a character then not having anyone call them by it. Was William meant to be William Monteagle, who was in possession of the letter to him by the 1st? Goodness knows because I don't.)
Moving on.
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Post by Chakoteya on Jun 20, 2021 16:05:32 GMT
Too Many... Well, that set up the next set, anyway. There's no such thing as a bad Dorney script, but it wasn't as hilarious as some (sorry, John - perhaps I just wasn't in the right mood?)
I did feel sorry for the Ogrons, though, having their god poisoned like that.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 22, 2021 16:57:15 GMT
Well I have started this set. After really enjoying the previous set I was looking forward to it, so I hope it improves after the first story. The Lumiat started off well but then there was a clunky unnecessary exposition dump & it transpired that the only reason for this story to exist was to fill a gap in the TV show that didn't need filling. This is something BF have a habit of doing now & again but rarely have I heard it done in such a heavy-handed inept way where everything grinds to a halt. It would have been far better to have some mystery retained surrounding the character of The Lumiat, or have her character be the over-arcing thread of the box set appearing in each adventure. But sadly the writer thought we need to have everything laid out for us in the most undramatic way, it sounds like the character reading out their own wikipedia page! {Spoiler} & the final message that all Missy wants is to be loved was cringy. Just realised with the new release that I never finished this so I tried to rectify that however it really was poor. Brimstone and Terror was rushed & failed to live up to the potential. Treason and Plot was a tired idea not given anything really new or interesting to make it memorable. & it all ends with Too Many Masters, if I am being honest I could not finish this all the silly Ogron voices just annoyed me. So overall I don't think I will be getting the latest set. It is a shame as the first set was so good. A real wasted opportunity.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 25, 2021 7:09:32 GMT
It is a shame as the first set was so good. A real wasted opportunity. I've got Missy 3 -- haven't listened to it yet, but Ive already heard some worrying things... so I'm stuck thinking the same. Missy 1 was really good, but it feels like they just don't have a clear idea of what to do with this range, so it's turning into River Song: built more on cast gimmicks than anything else. The same kind of thing is happening with the War Master range. All I really want from these stories is the Master, somewhere out there on their own, up to mischief. That's it. That's not the draw. Adding in "cameo casting" just seems to indicate a lack of understanding or confidence in the innate appeal of this premise.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 25, 2021 9:02:44 GMT
It is a shame as the first set was so good. A real wasted opportunity. I've got Missy 3 -- haven't listened to it yet, but Ive already heard some worrying things... so I'm stuck thinking the same. Missy 1 was really good, but it feels like they just don't have a clear idea of what to do with this range, so it's turning into River Song: built more on cast gimmicks than anything else. The same kind of thing is happening with the War Master range. All I really want from these stories is the Master, somewhere out there on their own, up to mischief. That's it. That's not the draw. Adding in "cameo casting" just seems to indicate a lack of understanding or confidence in the innate appeal of this premise. A common issue with BF's spin-offs they can't help having every character meet up. They think its cool. I think its cringe.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 25, 2021 16:10:30 GMT
They've said that listeners kept asking for the mix-and-match approach. If you want less of it, the best thing to do is politely let them know.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 25, 2021 19:27:32 GMT
They've said that listeners kept asking for the mix-and-match approach. If you want less of it, the best thing to do is politely let them know. I'll just stop buying this stuff.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 29, 2021 14:14:55 GMT
I've got Missy 3 -- haven't listened to it yet, but Ive already heard some worrying things... so I'm stuck thinking the same. Missy 1 was really good, but it feels like they just don't have a clear idea of what to do with this range, so it's turning into River Song: built more on cast gimmicks than anything else. The same kind of thing is happening with the War Master range. All I really want from these stories is the Master, somewhere out there on their own, up to mischief. That's it. That's not the draw. Adding in "cameo casting" just seems to indicate a lack of understanding or confidence in the innate appeal of this premise. A common issue with BF's spin-offs they can't help having every character meet up. They think its cool. I think its cringe. Ulgh, yeah. It's awful. What made the first War Master set so good is it was just normal Doctor Who stories, inverted. What made Missy 1 so fun is that it was just her being Chaotic Evil, unencumbered by the trappings of the traditional heroic adventure genre. That's literally all we need to have fun with these characters--adding this cheap fanservice just detracts from that. Like... the Master is fun because they're dangerous and unpredictable on their own. The moment you bring a familiar character (companion/Doctor) into a story, that unpredictability vanishes, because suddenly the Master is tethered to the Status Quo.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 29, 2021 14:41:26 GMT
A common issue with BF's spin-offs they can't help having every character meet up. They think its cool. I think its cringe. Ulgh, yeah. It's awful. What made the first War Master set so good is it was just normal Doctor Who stories, inverted. What made Missy 1 so fun is that it was just her being Chaotic Evil, unencumbered by the trappings of the traditional heroic adventure genre. That's literally all we need to have fun with these characters--adding this cheap fanservice just detracts from that. Like... the Master is fun because they're dangerous and unpredictable on their own. The moment you bring a familiar character (companion/Doctor) into a story, that unpredictability vanishes, because suddenly the Master is tethered to the Status Quo. Maybe the next Missy boxset should just have her on her own causing trouble
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Sept 29, 2021 16:45:19 GMT
Lumiat I enjoyed. The second was entertaining, the last...I ended up having it on while I wandered around the supermarket because I was having difficulty finishing it with a normal listen.
I think, and again I'm positing merely my own opinion, that there was an element that Lisa Bowerman complains about re some of the Bernice material. Here are Missy's known salient traits and we're leaning into them hard but missing all the nuance that makes her more than a list of "witty/funny/killy".
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 5, 2022 18:02:19 GMT
After many, many delays, I got around to listening to this set. I really enjoyed Series 1 and a lot of what was advertised sounded right up my alley. By the time it was over, well, I unfortunately concluded that Series 2 was what I feared Series 1 would be: Missy as basically Lady Deadpool without a strong counterbalance.
It leans even harder into the comedy than S1 did and, while often very funny (probably a toss up between Treason and Too Many for funniest), was not a change for the better. Scripts felt unfocused, piling on joke or wacky setpieces on top of each other, and the underlying darkness of Missy's character wasn't there. That's important to remind us we are following a villain protagonist who has a pretty bleak track record - Belly of the Beast was the weakest story of S1, but it provided that much needed injection of violent, remorseless and cold Missy that helped level out the wacky comedy and made her more three dimensional. As much fun as she is, it never lost sight of who Missy is and it also helps give Gomez more to work with. She's an absolute ball to listen to again, but she's more or less playing the same note throughout - there's not a lot of new depth or variety here, even with The Lumiat (which wow, that could've/should've been a boxset unto itself.)
Also, while their chemistry was as on point as before, I think the Hound Monk got a bum deal here. He's not a master manipulator, but he's such a putz here that it feels like it detracts from the stakes of both Two Many, as well as other Monk stories.
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Post by TimPendragon on Oct 2, 2022 22:15:01 GMT
Is there any hope for another Missy set, or is Michelle Gomez just way too busy these days?
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Post by theillusiveman on Oct 3, 2022 0:33:17 GMT
Is there any hope for another Missy set, or is Michelle Gomez just way too busy these days? It’s rumoured that Missy Vol 4 would be recorded in December but yeah it’s just wishful thinking
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Post by mark687 on Oct 3, 2022 8:25:52 GMT
Is there any hope for another Missy set, or is Michelle Gomez just way too busy these days? You Answered your own question apparently there are plans they just haven't found a Recording slot where everyone's free Regards mark687
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