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Post by sherlock on Jun 4, 2021 10:53:47 GMT
Insane to think that seven months from now Jodie will be an ex-Doctor. I don’t think we’ve had any kind of confirmation whether she’s going yet...but that said I can’t recall the BBC ever denying the Mirror’s story either... I do genuinely wonder if Chibnall may attempt the first surprise regeneration, given his era’s tendency to attempt to minimise announcing much stuff in advance.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 4, 2021 10:58:43 GMT
Insane to think that seven months from now Jodie will be an ex-Doctor. I don’t think we’ve had any kind of confirmation whether she’s going yet...but that said I can’t recall the BBC ever denying the Mirror’s story either... I do genuinely wonder if Chibnall may attempt the first surprise regeneration, given his era’s tendency to attempt to minimise announcing much stuff in advance. Exactly, it has not been confirmed (or denied tbf). Let's just hope we get Jo Martin as the 14th (whenever that may happen).
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Post by stcoop on Jun 6, 2021 14:28:33 GMT
Looks like John Bishop might already be wrapped. While shooting is still going on, he's just started a comedian-in-residence gig on a cruise ship. (And not that it's something you could even pay me to watch but I understand he was a judge on "The Masked Dancer" last week as well.)
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Post by stcoop on Jun 8, 2021 16:57:49 GMT
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Post by timegirl on Jun 8, 2021 17:06:08 GMT
Definitely looks like she could have just shot her regeneration! If so I wonder who will be 14? Fingers crossed for Jo Martin or someone equally as good 🤞 It’s weird we may be coming to her final series but I still feel like I don’t really know 13 as well as other incarnations. I feel like I didn’t bond with 13 the way I did with other Doctors.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 8, 2021 17:06:50 GMT
I wouldn’t read anything into a completely out of context photo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 17:23:05 GMT
Or maybe she's just learned that Holby City is being axed...
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 8, 2021 17:43:40 GMT
Can't rule it out (though why it would be in Bristol, who can say) but it could be anything and I don't think it's strong enough to indicate a, b or c. Could also be:
- Someone Jodie knows has passed away or is in a bad situation.
- Could've just done a really draining scene in one of the episodes.
- Jodie met someone (maybe a fan or a kid in difficult circumstances) and the meeting had a big impact.
- Someone else on the team is going.
I'm seeing some on Twitter saying sharing this feels wrong, as if this was actually something sensitive that happened, then it feels poor taste to discuss it like any rumour.
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Post by andrew on Jun 8, 2021 19:12:00 GMT
Doesn’t your post from a few days ago contain the most likely explanation - that this was taken as John completed filming as he has comedy shows lined up starting as soon as a couple of weeks time, and a tour starting in the autumn?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 8, 2021 19:21:22 GMT
Doesn’t your post from a few days ago contain the most likely explanation - that this was taken as John completed filming as he has comedy shows lined up starting as soon as a couple of weeks time, and a tour starting in the autumn? Or just a couple out of so many pics taken at this time that can be used to fit an article. This could have been a quick hug that lasted a few seconds. Without video footage we won't know.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 10, 2021 0:38:51 GMT
Been a while so Tally time!
-8 episodes long. -Broadcasting in late 2021-possibly early 2022 (date TBC). -Ed Hime and Maxine Alderton returning as writers. One of the new writers will be coming via a Skillset bursary scheme for new talent (also happened for Call the Midwife). -Jaime Magnus Stone returns as director. First new director will be Azhur Saleem. -Filming began in November 2020, with safety measures and a longer schedule. -Chibnall has described S13 as 'ambitious' and building on threads from S12. -Chibnall is hoping to air episodes as soon as they're finished in post production. -Liverpool will be a recurring setting. -John Bishop will be new companion Dan. Yaz will be the returning companion. -Dan's parents will feature in a story, played by Paul Broughton and Sue Murphy. -Kevin McNally will be a guest star in a period episode. -Sontarans are returning in the first episode, in classic grey uniforms. They will also be in an episode featuring nursing pioneer Mary Seacole, in the Crimea. -Weeping Angels sighted filming in several locations, such as an urban street and Barry Beach. -A castle will feature in an episode (Cardiff Castle being where they filmed). -A pair of white-headed aliens sighted driving a car. -Either the Seacole ep or another period episode will see Dan and Yaz in period clothing. -A green room with TARDIS-esque roundels was spotted in the Dan teaser - more Time Lord presence? -One episode will involve some type of hiker/explorer and wildnerness setting, running from some unknown force. -A new Darkseid-looking villain has been spotted, masked, wearing black and gold and carrying some of 'sack'. -Dhawan has not yet been contacted to return as the Master.
-RUMOUR: S13 may have a darker tone. -RUMOUR: S13 may resolve the Timeless Child arc. -RUMOUR: S13 may focus on Yaz's mental state. -RUMOUR: S13 may be Jodie's final series. 14th Doctor already cast. -RUMOUR: Jo Martin's Doctor may return. -RUMOUR: Chris Noth may return as Robertson, supposedly cited in Bristol filming. -RUMOUR: Gwendolyne Christie will have a role, possibly running into the next series. -RUMOUR: Angels may appear in more than one story. -RUMOUR: Daleks may come back. -RUMOUR: There may be a Xmas/New Year's special to plug the gap if 2021 is not viable. -RUMOUR: Cap. Jack may have been planned to returned, but in light of recent events, that may have been altered.
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Post by ollychops on Jun 10, 2021 15:45:12 GMT
Arguably, I'd say that it's more than just a rumour that the Daleks are back, since there was a picture of them being unloaded and there's a photo of Nick Briggs on set.
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Post by iainmclaughlin on Jun 11, 2021 10:38:11 GMT
This may be apropos of nothing, but Adrian Lester was asked about the role of the Doctor by a journo and he admitted that he's been having discussions with his agent about the job, and he was very positive about the gig. I admit I'm REALLY rather hoping there's something to it a) because he is a magnificent actor, one of the very finest of his generation and he has a real sense of presence which I think the role needs and b) he's been top of the list of performers I've been boring people about as a potential Doctor for a couple of years now and I will look extraordinarily wise and prescient, and it will seem that I have a direct line to the BBC's upper echelons (which I sadly don't).
If you are wondering who Adrian Lester is, he was Mickey Bricks, leader of the loveable con artists in Hustle. If you can see a filmed version of his Othello from 2013 it's incredible - he and Rory KInnear (as Iago) are both jaw-droppingly good and his Hamlet from about a decade earlier was also superb.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 11, 2021 10:41:56 GMT
This may be apropos of nothing, but Adrian Lester was asked about the role of the Doctor by a journo and he admitted that he's been having discussions with his agent about the job, and he was very positive about the gig. I admit I'm REALLY rather hoping there's something to it a) because he is a magnificent actor, one of the very finest of his generation and he has a real sense of presence which I think the role needs and b) he's been top of the list of performers I've been boring people about as a potential Doctor for a couple of years now and I will look extraordinarily wise and prescient, and it will seem that I have a direct line to the BBC's upper echelons (which I sadly don't). If you are wondering who Adrian Lester is, he was Mickey Bricks, leader of the loveable con artists in Hustle. If you can see a filmed version of his Othello from 2013 it's incredible - he and Rory KInnear (as Iago) are both jaw-droppingly good and his Hamlet from about a decade earlier was also superb. He would be great, but I'd prefer another female Doctor before we go back to a man again. I know a few years ago the same question was raised when he was on the Graham Norton radio show & he said the same thing that he's been discussing it with his agent. Didn't know there'd been new discussions.
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Post by ollychops on Jun 11, 2021 15:27:26 GMT
Whilst he'd be a good choice, I hope it's not true because a) I'm not quite ready for Jodie to leave and b) I'd like at least one more female Doctor before going back to a male incarnation.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 11, 2021 16:16:14 GMT
Whilst he'd be a good choice, I hope it's not true because a) I'm not quite ready for Jodie to leave and b) I'd like at least one more female Doctor before going back to a male incarnation. It sucks for Lester as, even if it were him or an actor of that level, there's no way casting a guy as 14 would not look like the Beeb caved, or that you'd see tiresome posts all over the place about 'WE WON!' from 'those persons'.
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Post by iainmclaughlin on Jun 11, 2021 21:43:17 GMT
Whilst he'd be a good choice, I hope it's not true because a) I'm not quite ready for Jodie to leave and b) I'd like at least one more female Doctor before going back to a male incarnation. It sucks for Lester as, even if it were him or an actor of that level, there's no way casting a guy as 14 would not look like the Beeb caved, or that you'd see tiresome posts all over the place about 'WE WON!' from 'those persons'. I'm not convinced the BBC are as aware of the whining from certain areas as the rest of fandom is. I don't think the hardcore fans are that big a deal to them. They're more interested in the general potentrial audience, and I would be surprised if they weren't deeply concerned about the drop in audience and the tanking of merch sales. The BBC could easily say we've had two female Doctors in a row - Jodie Whitaker and Jo Martin... part of me thinks they'll cast another woman, part of me realises I genuinely haven't got a clue what they'll do.
I genuinely don't know. I don't think casting a woman has been the problem. I think either casting the wrong woman or not getting the writing/characterisation/focus right for her is the problem. This is all just my opinion obviously but I don't think Jodie Whitaker has the presence needed for the role. The Doctor should be where the audience's eyes go in a scene. I think JW gets lost in the crowd and my eyes were more drawn to to Bradley Walsh who tended to be more interesting. But I'm getting off topic. And that is all just my opinion and I know it's one many people disagree.
I'm pretty sure I could make an argument against casting a man being "caving in" but it's a depressing thought that people would see casting a man as a win for anything. I just think he's the best performer for the gig at this time. I genuinely haven't got a clue what's going to happen.
I think this has turned into a ramble...
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 11, 2021 22:22:48 GMT
It sucks for Lester as, even if it were him or an actor of that level, there's no way casting a guy as 14 would not look like the Beeb caved, or that you'd see tiresome posts all over the place about 'WE WON!' from 'those persons'. I'm not convinced the BBC are as aware of the whining from certain areas as the rest of fandom is. I don't think the hardcore fans are that big a deal to them. They're more interested in the general potentrial audience, and I would be surprised if they weren't deeply concerned about the drop in audience and the tanking of merch sales. The BBC could easily say we've had two female Doctors in a row - Jodie Whitaker and Jo Martin... part of me thinks they'll cast another woman, part of me realises I genuinely haven't got a clue what they'll do.
I genuinely don't know. I don't think casting a woman has been the problem. I think either casting the wrong woman or not getting the writing/characterisation/focus right for her is the problem. This is all just my opinion obviously but I don't think Jodie Whitaker has the presence needed for the role. The Doctor should be where the audience's eyes go in a scene. I think JW gets lost in the crowd and my eyes were more drawn to to Bradley Walsh who tended to be more interesting. But I'm getting off topic. And that is all just my opinion and I know it's one many people disagree.
I'm pretty sure I could make an argument against casting a man being "caving in" but it's a depressing thought that people would see casting a man as a win for anything. I just think he's the best performer for the gig at this time. I genuinely haven't got a clue what's going to happen.
I think this has turned into a ramble...
Rambles are like bananas - always good!
Speaking for me, I've never felt like Jodie wasn't up to the role (I think she's had a number of strong showings, like Diodati, Punjab, and back in Woman. I think the regeneration speech might be my favourite thing Chris has written) but that's a lesser point here (as is the merch - everybody's down, even Disney and WB). Maybe this is just a generational difference in perspective, but I should think it matters that a lot of popular content, pertaining to Who these days, is sadly of not simply a negative variety (just criticism), but a specifically nasty kind that monetizes the demonization of various groups for simply being involved in these properties. Any search of Who on Youtube quickly yields tabloid-esque videos with views in the tens even hundreds, of thousands, that accuse the show of a variety of things that have nothing to do with the actual quality content. For any brand, especially one with a young-skewing focus like Who, that's not good, and I don't think the Beeb is unaware - they've been barraged with hashtags like NotMyDoctor, responded in official statements to stuff like The Timeless Children's reveal and, most recently, them stamping on Youtube creators (albeit not these ones) to establish some kind of 'control' on the platform - they have to be aware of what's going on online and know that an entire cottage industry (and it is one, because all these guys make money at it through ads, donations, platforms like patreon) exists that can challenge their online presence.
I think, not to drag this out too much, but restate for people who may not be in the loop, here's some of the things these guys have been remunerated for saying: - Jodie wants to discriminate/fire all white men at the BBC/is part of a movement to do the same.
- Jodie rubbed onion in the eyes of a child who met her on Children in Need to fake tears of joy at meeting her.
- That a secret cabal who met at a pub near old Broadcasting House in the 90s controls the franchise.
- That the show makes every white character evil and teaches kids white people are evil for being white.
- Jodie's been pregnant how many times, didn't tell anyone, and that, apparently, TV productions have no way to accommodate that.
- Everybody who isn't a white guy is only there as part of some crazy radical diversity scheme, irrespective of experience or talent.
If they have that power, it doesn't sadly take much to imagine what news of a male 14, however good and worthy the actor is, could be twisted for ulterior agendas and take over the discussion. After all, the big freakout over Jodie's initial casting, and then the bunk about chaos on the set last series leaked over to the press - who's to guarantee you won't see headlines like 'DOCTOR IS A BLOKE AGAIN - THE 'FANS' REJOICE', like that was ever actually the issue?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 9:11:52 GMT
It sucks for Lester as, even if it were him or an actor of that level, there's no way casting a guy as 14 would not look like the Beeb caved, or that you'd see tiresome posts all over the place about 'WE WON!' from 'those persons'. I'm not convinced the BBC are as aware of the whining from certain areas as the rest of fandom is. I don't think the hardcore fans are that big a deal to them. They're more interested in the general potentrial audience, and I would be surprised if they weren't deeply concerned about the drop in audience and the tanking of merch sales. The BBC could easily say we've had two female Doctors in a row - Jodie Whitaker and Jo Martin... part of me thinks they'll cast another woman, part of me realises I genuinely haven't got a clue what they'll do.
I genuinely don't know. I don't think casting a woman has been the problem. I think either casting the wrong woman or not getting the writing/characterisation/focus right for her is the problem. This is all just my opinion obviously but I don't think Jodie Whitaker has the presence needed for the role. The Doctor should be where the audience's eyes go in a scene. I think JW gets lost in the crowd and my eyes were more drawn to to Bradley Walsh who tended to be more interesting. But I'm getting off topic. And that is all just my opinion and I know it's one many people disagree.
I'm pretty sure I could make an argument against casting a man being "caving in" but it's a depressing thought that people would see casting a man as a win for anything. I just think he's the best performer for the gig at this time. I genuinely haven't got a clue what's going to happen.
I think this has turned into a ramble...
I also think (and hope) that the BBC doesn't take much notice of complaining hardcore 'fans' - who will always complain, no matter what. I remember when there was a similar situation with lacklustre ratings and a more vocal arena for whiners - it was during the mid/late Eighties. I just hope the BBC don't just think Doctor Who is too much trouble to continue making. As iainmclaughlin says, ratings and lack of merchandise sales will be their biggest concerns (I wasn't aware of the latter). If they think changing the gender of Doctor 14 will improve those things, then I can see that consideration taking precedence over a few whinging YouTubers (who are, let's face it, the equivalent of the fanzine writers of yesteryear). It's all about the general audience, the enigmatic 'casual viewer', who provide the lifeblood for Doctor Who's continued existence on the television.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 9:22:48 GMT
On the related subject of merchandising, I saw this yesterday evening. There is more than one interpretation as to why, but it is of note that they have not gone with the current Doctor for the first time ever (on the cover that is):
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