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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 12, 2021 9:54:06 GMT
I'm not convinced the BBC are as aware of the whining from certain areas as the rest of fandom is. I don't think the hardcore fans are that big a deal to them. They're more interested in the general potentrial audience, and I would be surprised if they weren't deeply concerned about the drop in audience and the tanking of merch sales. The BBC could easily say we've had two female Doctors in a row - Jodie Whitaker and Jo Martin... part of me thinks they'll cast another woman, part of me realises I genuinely haven't got a clue what they'll do.
I genuinely don't know. I don't think casting a woman has been the problem. I think either casting the wrong woman or not getting the writing/characterisation/focus right for her is the problem. This is all just my opinion obviously but I don't think Jodie Whitaker has the presence needed for the role. The Doctor should be where the audience's eyes go in a scene. I think JW gets lost in the crowd and my eyes were more drawn to to Bradley Walsh who tended to be more interesting. But I'm getting off topic. And that is all just my opinion and I know it's one many people disagree.
I'm pretty sure I could make an argument against casting a man being "caving in" but it's a depressing thought that people would see casting a man as a win for anything. I just think he's the best performer for the gig at this time. I genuinely haven't got a clue what's going to happen.
I think this has turned into a ramble...
I also think (and hope) that the BBC doesn't take much notice of complaining hardcore 'fans' - who will always complain, no matter what. I remember when there was a similar situation with lacklustre ratings and a more vocal arena for whiners - it was during the mid/late Eighties. I just hope the BBC don't just think Doctor Who is too much trouble to continue making. As iainmclaughlin says, ratings and lack of merchandise sales will be their biggest concerns (I wasn't aware of the latter). If they think changing the gender of Doctor 14 will improve those things, then I can see that consideration taking precedence over a few whinging YouTubers (who are, let's face it, the equivalent of the fanzine writers of yesteryear). It's all about the general audience, the enigmatic 'casual viewer', who provide the lifeblood for Doctor Who's continued existence on the television. I agree with the last part, absolutely. However, in an age where everything is so interconnected, it's unwise to not be conscious of platforms that help drive and foster engagement with whatever your property is. Like I've said before, the difference between the angry fans in the 80s and the ones today is the 80s guys were angry on their own penny - they didn't make money out of saying Colin or Syl suck. Now you can be perfomatively angry, gain thousands of views and get money, cash, dosh, wonga, green, out of telling a gullible audience that Jodie is some kind of pawn of a dark force (not that she just isn't good, but that she out do do some manner of harm).
I feel like, not drag this out much more as this thread is about S13 and not a thread on state of fandom, to hit home how not 'harmless' these guys are, and how they are nothing like the whinging fanzine writers of old, here's a video by Youtuber Marzgurl on a similar phenomena within the anime community. A lot of is applicable to what has been going here for the last four/five years: www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ydqYxIw6E
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 14, 2021 3:20:37 GMT
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Post by ollychops on Jun 14, 2021 6:43:37 GMT
It's weird because even if she was leaving, the departing Doctors have still featured on the annual...
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 14, 2021 6:49:37 GMT
It's weird because even if she was leaving, the departing Doctors have still featured on the annual... Indeed seems most odd but hey if it means getting a good Doctor then I’m all for it
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 14, 2021 8:19:48 GMT
It's weird because even if she was leaving, the departing Doctors have still featured on the annual... Indeed seems most odd but hey if it means getting a good Doctor then I’m all for it I'm more seeing, especially with the stuff that's been over the last year, that the BBC may be moving towards a decentralizing of the brand, treating it more like a Marvel or DC where it's not anchored around one specific character (or version of the character in this case). Jodie's face is still on other products anyway: The Mirror, big shock, seems to be blowing up something minor into something more important than it really is.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 14, 2021 9:58:09 GMT
2 specials with Jodie, great news.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 14, 2021 10:38:04 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Jun 14, 2021 11:13:15 GMT
Well we can hope she can get some quality materiel she can deliver as naturally as possible for rest of her tenure.
Regards
mark687
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Post by project37 on Jun 14, 2021 15:07:20 GMT
You know what would be great? If the next person to run Doctor Who wasn't already part of the old guard insider (fan)boys' club.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 14, 2021 15:13:48 GMT
My concern with the two specials rumour is if it means 2022 will become a 2016/2019 style leap year with just a special.
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Post by timegirl on Jun 14, 2021 15:14:35 GMT
You know what would be great? If the next person to run Doctor Who wasn't already part of the old guard insider (fan)boys' club. The next showrunner should be someone like Emily Cook! She did such an amazing job with DW lockdown just imagine what she could do as showrunner one day!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 14, 2021 15:14:37 GMT
You know what would be great? If the next person to run Doctor Who wasn't already part of the old guard insider (fan)boys' club. so who then?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 14, 2021 15:35:10 GMT
You know what would be great? If the next person to run Doctor Who wasn't already part of the old guard insider (fan)boys' club. so who then? I can think of a few names, though I'm unclear if project just means NuWho people, or people from all the back in the Wilderness days?
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Post by project37 on Jun 14, 2021 15:50:58 GMT
I can think of a few names, though I'm unclear if project just means NuWho people, or people from all the back in the Wilderness days? Honestly, I'd be most energized by someone who breaks the mold from the previous three - i.e., younger with a different relationship to DW; cares deeply for the show but didn't grow up as an old guard fan of the same basic eras. I'm in my mid-40s and have been a fan since I was a kid. I don't need anymore from the RTD/Moffatt/Chibnall school and would gladly welcome a new generational perspective.
Sarah Dollard is one name that comes to mind, but there's an ocean of potential talent out there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 17:00:56 GMT
Worth noting that one more series then specials is what I was told and posted here on the forum over a year ago - by the same person who leaked the gap year in 2017. So it's not a new rumour either. This was at least said to be the plan back then. Which ties in with Chibnall having a 5 year plan, really.
Aside from all that...Jodie wil have done her three series by then. It somehow feels like she's just started but no. A big special for the anniversary to either launch a new Doctor or to have a much bigger name as a one-off in a real "TV Movie" who they wouldn't be able to get for 9 months of night filming in Cardiff for £250K a year would be my guesses.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 14, 2021 17:24:25 GMT
Worth noting that one more series then specials is what I was told and posted here on the forum over a year ago - by the same person who leaked the gap year in 2017. So it's not a new rumour either. This was at least said to be the plan back then. Which ties in with Chibnall having a 5 year plan, really. Aside from all that...Jodie wil have done her three series by then. It somehow feels like she's just started but no. A big special for the anniversary to either launch a new Doctor or to have a much bigger name as a one-off in a real "TV Movie" who they wouldn't be able to get for 9 months of night filming in Cardiff for £250K a year would be my guesses. Who told you?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 17, 2021 13:40:12 GMT
So, not directly about S13 but something that may have an effect, and is just another after-effect of the pandemic:
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 18, 2021 3:23:43 GMT
I can understand Jodi leaving the show. She is a great actor that is unfortunately not given much to work with. A great actor can only do so much.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 21, 2021 18:04:00 GMT
This one's a bit thinner, but hey, it'd be fun if it were for S13.
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Post by stcoop on Jun 25, 2021 17:13:24 GMT
Did someone say pirates?
What are the odds someone's going to yell "Cultural Appropriation" over Jodie's shirt?
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