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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 29, 2020 9:08:16 GMT
So Australia is basically in lockdown down.. basically can go outside to go to work, get grocery shopping, go to a Doctor and chemist and that's pretty much the basics so far. There are far too many people going out and about without a care in the world.. There is a park across the road from my house- there was about 5 people there today.. GGGRRR
The sooner we do this- the sooner we can get back to normality.
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Post by elkawho on Mar 29, 2020 15:19:57 GMT
Yesterday I spoke with my sister for the first time in a couple of weeks. She is the nurse manager in charge of the dialysis unit at the local large hospital. The stories she told me are chilling. She and her husband have gone to the local hardware stores to by protective equipment for her nurses with their own money. She has nurses testing positive and no one to take their place since not just anyone can do their jobs. They have to have specialized training on the dialysis machines. Those poor people who are in critical condition with the virus are going into kidney failure and need those machines. They are keeping ECGs, IVs and other equipment out of the patient's room and using extensions to the patients so the nurses and techs don't have to go in the rooms, however the ventilators and dialysis machines have to be the room with the patient, so the nurses and techs do as well. There is so much going on that those of us not in the middle of it don't think about.
Then she told me that her hospital and some of the nursing homes are looking for physical therapists to fill in for the ones who are unable to work due to child care issues, illness, etc. and that I can apply for one of these jobs and even get hazard pay. I hate to say it, but I don't know if I want to put myself in the way of this thing. She's my hero.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 29, 2020 18:26:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 19:42:14 GMT
When you have a habit of eliminating political opponents, defectors and journalists, this virus can induce paranoia somewhat:
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 30, 2020 10:33:11 GMT
Well, I am finally allowed to work from home, so am enjoying my first day at home working.
I am at one end of dining room table, wife working at other end, and sister-in-law in the sitting room teaching our 2 children. I guess this is the new normal!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:50:14 GMT
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Post by Tim Bradley on Mar 30, 2020 11:16:54 GMT
I pray and hope so! Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 12:19:23 GMT
I think there's a fair bit of spin there, the Heatlh Secretary was on TV a while ago saying the worst is still to come in a few weeks in terms of infection and deaths and even after that it'll be a while before we could even talk about being on a better curve. Being positive is cool..but it's the realism that'll keep us cautious and therefore safer. We're still weeks behind Spain and Italy and we're seeing their mortality rates, sadly. With the slow response and initial herd immunity tactic, we're still in early days here comparatively. We can but wait and hope - and be safe.
On a personal level we had a conference cal with work today where they conceded that working from home was just unfeasible with what we have to do and GDPR regulations, so we've been furloughed on full wages for 13 weeks guaranteed, thereafter they may need to drop to the 80% govt guarantee in the event we're still on lockdown. So that's a big load off my mind and my team's minds. I wish everyone else had the same security.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 12:23:44 GMT
I think there's a fair bit of spin there, the Heatlh Secretary was on TV a while ago saying the worst is still to come in a few weeks in terms of infection and deaths and even after that it'll be a while before we could even talk about being on a better curve. Being positive is cool..but it's the realism that'll keep us cautious and therefore safer. We're still weeks behind Spain and Italy and we're seeing their mortality rates, sadly. With the slow response and initial herd immunity tactic, we're still in early days here comparatively. We can but wait and hope - and be safe. On a personal level we had a conference cal with work today where they conceded that working from home was just unfeasible with what we have to do and GDPR regulations, so we've been furloughed on full wages for 13 weeks guaranteed, thereafter they may need to drop to the 80% govt guarantee in the event we're still on lockdown. So that's a big load off my mind and my team's minds. I wish everyone else had the same security. As a rare glimpse of positivity in the media, I thought I'd leap on it! But as with everything, proceed with caution.
My own situation is that I was advised to go back home from work last Monday due to a couple of health issues, and that is where I have been every since. I've been asked to text the boss on a weekly basis to see what's going on - other than that, it's a good excuse to pursue my own solitary interests. I don't know where I'd be without them.
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Post by number13 on Mar 30, 2020 13:09:19 GMT
I think there's a fair bit of spin there, the Heatlh Secretary was on TV a while ago saying the worst is still to come in a few weeks in terms of infection and deaths and even after that it'll be a while before we could even talk about being on a better curve. Being positive is cool..but it's the realism that'll keep us cautious and therefore safer. We're still weeks behind Spain and Italy and we're seeing their mortality rates, sadly. With the slow response and initial herd immunity tactic, we're still in early days here comparatively. We can but wait and hope - and be safe. On a personal level we had a conference cal with work today where they conceded that working from home was just unfeasible with what we have to do and GDPR regulations, so we've been furloughed on full wages for 13 weeks guaranteed, thereafter they may need to drop to the 80% govt guarantee in the event we're still on lockdown. So that's a big load off my mind and my team's minds. I wish everyone else had the same security. I didn't think there was any spin or contradiction, a slower rate of increase would be the first sign of positive change and it should be visible after even a relatively few days of much reduced contacts. But of course there is sadly much worse to come, until we see a decrease things will go on getting worse and even then there's a delay.
The advisers made it clear at one of the daily briefings that describing what might be needed to provide 'herd immunity' did not mean that was ever policy. Policy has, so far as one can tell, always been to intoduce the right measures at the 'right time', where the right time was not only medically right but 'right' in terms of what they thought people could be expected to do, possibly for long periods.
Personally I think that (idiots excepted, and there have been a few well-publicised examples but it probably is only a few) people would have been prepared to do more, earlier, and stick with it as required, if they had been told it was necessary. Without getting all WWII about it, two lessons from history are that people are remarkably good at coping & helping each other when there is a clear national need - and that most politicians/policy makers usually underestimate this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 13:16:24 GMT
I think there's a fair bit of spin there, the Heatlh Secretary was on TV a while ago saying the worst is still to come in a few weeks in terms of infection and deaths and even after that it'll be a while before we could even talk about being on a better curve. Being positive is cool..but it's the realism that'll keep us cautious and therefore safer. We're still weeks behind Spain and Italy and we're seeing their mortality rates, sadly. With the slow response and initial herd immunity tactic, we're still in early days here comparatively. We can but wait and hope - and be safe. On a personal level we had a conference cal with work today where they conceded that working from home was just unfeasible with what we have to do and GDPR regulations, so we've been furloughed on full wages for 13 weeks guaranteed, thereafter they may need to drop to the 80% govt guarantee in the event we're still on lockdown. So that's a big load off my mind and my team's minds. I wish everyone else had the same security. As a rare glimpse of positivity in the media, I thought I'd leap on it! But as with everything, proceed with caution.
My own situation is that I was advised to go back home from work last Monday due to a couple of health issues, and that is where I have been every since. I've been asked to text the boss on a weekly basis to see what's going on - other than that, it's a good excuse to pursue my own solitary interests. I don't know where I'd be without them.
I'm usually always team good news - but there are still idiots out there having house parties and even some pubs staying open. We need to ram them with as much "This is how serious this is, guys" until it sinks in! Even on my FB, I've seen some of my team at work with the "I'm young so it won't affect me" attitude which is baffling but I suppose if they don't watch ANY news and their social media of choice is the photo rather than text led instagram...maybe they aren't fully aware of just how much sh*t is currently hurtling towards the fans!
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Post by muckypup on Mar 30, 2020 13:29:49 GMT
As a rare glimpse of positivity in the media, I thought I'd leap on it! But as with everything, proceed with caution.
My own situation is that I was advised to go back home from work last Monday due to a couple of health issues, and that is where I have been every since. I've been asked to text the boss on a weekly basis to see what's going on - other than that, it's a good excuse to pursue my own solitary interests. I don't know where I'd be without them.
I'm usually always team good news - but there are still idiots out there having house parties and even some pubs staying open. We need to ram them with as much "This is how serious this is, guys" until it sinks in! Even on my FB, I've seen some of my team at work with the "I'm young so it won't affect me" attitude which is baffling but I suppose if they don't watch ANY news and their social media of choice is the photo rather than text led instagram...maybe they aren't fully aware of just how much sh*t is currently hurtling towards the fans! unlike Me who's always the miserable pessimistic type...….lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 13:35:22 GMT
I think there's a fair bit of spin there, the Heatlh Secretary was on TV a while ago saying the worst is still to come in a few weeks in terms of infection and deaths and even after that it'll be a while before we could even talk about being on a better curve. Being positive is cool..but it's the realism that'll keep us cautious and therefore safer. We're still weeks behind Spain and Italy and we're seeing their mortality rates, sadly. With the slow response and initial herd immunity tactic, we're still in early days here comparatively. We can but wait and hope - and be safe. On a personal level we had a conference cal with work today where they conceded that working from home was just unfeasible with what we have to do and GDPR regulations, so we've been furloughed on full wages for 13 weeks guaranteed, thereafter they may need to drop to the 80% govt guarantee in the event we're still on lockdown. So that's a big load off my mind and my team's minds. I wish everyone else had the same security. I didn't think there was any spin or contradiction, a slower rate of increase would be the first sign of positive change and it should be visible after even a relatively few days of much reduced contacts. But of course there is sadly much worse to come, until we see a decrease things will go on getting worse and even then there's a delay.
The advisers made it clear at one of the daily briefings that describing what might be needed to provide 'herd immunity' did not mean that was ever policy. Policy has, so far as one can tell, always been to intoduce the right measures at the 'right time', where the right time was not only medically right but 'right' in terms of what they thought people could be expected to do, possibly for long periods.
Personally I think that (idiots excepted, and there have been a few well-publicised examples but it probably is only a few) people would have been prepared to do more, earlier, and stick with it as required, if they had been told it was necessary. Without getting all WWII about it, two lessons from history are that people are remarkably good at coping & helping each other when there is a clear national need - and that most politicians/policy makers usually underestimate this.
I think that's the most pertinent point - we've had a head-start on the continent and retrospectively could have used it in a more efficient way that may now be giving "better" news. It seems crass to call anything "good" news right now so I'll avoid that! Yet the PM and Royals were still shaking hands well after the rest of us had stopped. The top of the tree weren't as proactive in measures to set examples as they should have been. As you say I think many would have accepted this new normal sooner and ultimately that would have saved more lives. Still, many of us have taken the precautions weeks before we "had" to anyway so I think common sense has seen something of a revival recently! Been missing for a while! I've actually been impressed with much of what the government have done and that Boris has been a calming leader who's been more willing to listen to the experts than many would have feared months ago. He's shown statesmanship when even his admirers probably assumed he'd be more maverick. While Rishi Sunak has been something of a revelation and must surely be a PM, or at least Tory leader, in waiting. Though any UK issues with strategy and approach when we were waiting for this to hit... at least that was weeks ago and before "social distancing" and "lockdown" really took off - just YESTERDAY in the US, Trump had all his team watching him sign the bill to help workers - they were shoulder to shoulder and Trump handed them pens as souvenirs...I guess it can't happen to them, eh? It could all be fine by Easter according to Donnie - who was also on TV last night bragging that his handling of this is helping television ratings. Priorities...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 14:04:32 GMT
I'm usually always team good news - but there are still idiots out there having house parties and even some pubs staying open. We need to ram them with as much "This is how serious this is, guys" until it sinks in! Even on my FB, I've seen some of my team at work with the "I'm young so it won't affect me" attitude which is baffling but I suppose if they don't watch ANY news and their social media of choice is the photo rather than text led instagram...maybe they aren't fully aware of just how much sh*t is currently hurtling towards the fans! unlike Me who's always the miserable pessimistic type...….lol I'd rather people were miserable and pessimistic and still here to be that way for many, many years to come than hopeful and optimistic and, well, you know... The fact that police are still having to attend house parties to break them up and the like is just baffling to me. It shows a lack of concern for others that borders on sociopathic. I mean this was THIS weekend: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-5208465325 adults and kids having a party, complete with a buffet....the mind boggles!
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Post by muckypup on Mar 30, 2020 16:22:28 GMT
unlike Me who's always the miserable pessimistic type...….lol I'd rather people were miserable and pessimistic and still here to be that way for many, many years to come than hopeful and optimistic and, well, you know... The fact that police are still having to attend house parties to break them up and the like is just baffling to me. It shows a lack of concern for others that borders on sociopathic. I mean this was THIS weekend: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-5208465325 adults and kids having a party, complete with a buffet....the mind boggles! Wasn’t me honest.......but I know the road........ not a very nice area there are some right numptys about....... My friend is convinced he just had it, but I’m not sure........he had temperature, but went to bed slept for almost 24 hours now says he feels fine........he only lives about 3 miles away from that bbq.....pity they didn’t invite him.......hehe
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 30, 2020 19:18:47 GMT
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Post by number13 on Mar 30, 2020 21:07:42 GMT
Apparently, yes, the speed of increase isn't still accelerating.
Also this was an interesting comment from a consultant virologist on Radio 4 (from the BBC live updates page)
First glimmers, hopefully. As long as everyone does the right things and goes on doing them for the foreseeable future.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 30, 2020 22:51:57 GMT
There is a park literally across the road from my house, 2 houses down.. Saw a bunch of people and children congregating there. I went outside and did my "angry old man" pose on my front lawn- I think they saw me..
Come on people- wake up. GGRRR :-(
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 30, 2020 22:54:38 GMT
I had 3 people break down and cry on the phone with me yesterday at work- 2 males and 1 female. The mental toll this is taking on everyone is rapidly increasing. :-( On the plus side, since I came back to work last Wednesday I have had a bunch of emails and people direct over the phone thanking me , calling me a "lifesaver" and "legend" for assisting in these current trying times. It's the little things that we all can do to help pass on the "positivity and hope". Let's all keep it up.!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 23:38:59 GMT
A bit of 'Les Mis' to lighten the mood a little and hopefully lift your spirits.
God knows we could all do with our spirits lifting..
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