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Post by tuigirl on Nov 26, 2020 20:32:38 GMT
Since it is my birthday, I had planned to travel home and spend time with my parents and siblings, but that now has to be cancelled. Have a happy 50th! lol Haha, very funny. But at least you made me smile, so, there is that.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 26, 2020 20:43:47 GMT
Haha, very funny. But at least you made me smile, so, there is that. Good!
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 26, 2020 22:51:22 GMT
Right. So someone from my department has tested positive. That person had been in a meeting with people from my office yesterday. I am now a second grade contact. Tests will be run, but it could take until next week until we know for sure. I made the executive decision today that only the colleague directly opposite me and me will be running the show, with a third colleague in home office. Everybody else should stay away. Just to keep contacts and infectious pressure low. It will be a chaotic and very busy day tomorrow... and a lonely and very anxious weekend. Since it is my birthday, I had planned to travel home and spend time with my parents and siblings, but that now has to be cancelled. I just keep the hopes up that we do not have a major outbreak at my work, because that would curb the testing facilities of a whole region, plus the testing of all of our veterinary samples (which we do for several European countries including the UK). Not to mention all the high risk family members of colleagues now at risk. Here is to hope. Happy birthday. Stay safe.
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 27, 2020 8:04:07 GMT
Happy birthday, have a great day.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 30, 2020 10:27:44 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 2, 2020 9:07:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 10:08:09 GMT
Well that's good news and another Brexit Bonus, eh?
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Post by sherlock on Dec 2, 2020 13:17:23 GMT
Well that's good news and another Brexit Bonus, eh?
The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (The ones who actually made today’s decision) have said quite the opposite. I’m more willing to bet they know what they’re talking about than the minister telling Talk Radio what they want to hear.
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Post by number13 on Dec 2, 2020 13:48:11 GMT
Isn't it wonderful that EU law allowed the UK authorities an emergency provision to decide whether or not to allow use of a vaccine in the UK only. We should be so grateful. Otherwise they might have tried to take us to the European Court (if four years rather than four weeks would be long enough to do that, which judging by history it probably wouldn't. )
Seriously, it is for reasons like this that I'm half-pleased we are leaving, despite the fact I voted the other way and still have more than a few regrets and worries about Brexit. Using medical procedures in the UK should be regulated by UK medical professionals, only. And similarly for any other country.
I can't see why this is an area where EU law should ever have been superior and it's a sign of my ignorance about the reach of EU law that I never realised this was the case, until the present discussion began.
Anyway, it is the best possible news and full credit to all who achieved the seemingly impossible in record time. More good news is that (according to a poll) enthusiasm to be vaccinated is higher in the UK than almost anywhere else in the world so well done to all of us too, the British people apparently do believe in science. (Far more, from this poll, than people in the US, Germany or worst of all in Western Europe, France.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 15:05:26 GMT
Well that's good news and another Brexit Bonus, eh?
The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (The ones who actually made today’s decision) have said quite the opposite. I’m more willing to bet they know what they’re talking about than the minister telling Talk Radio what they want to hear. Well its reassuring to know we weren't breaking any of their laws, a few weeks before exiting the EU, of all times. Its very magnanimous of them.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 2, 2020 16:42:54 GMT
The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (The ones who actually made today’s decision) have said quite the opposite. I’m more willing to bet they know what they’re talking about than the minister telling Talk Radio what they want to hear. Well its reassuring to know we weren't breaking any of their laws, a few weeks before exiting the EU, of all times. Its very magnanimous of them. So what are we saying? We have done something that is allowable under EU law before brexit that we will still be able to do after brexit? How does brexit have any bearing upon it at all, other than we are again seeing the brexiteers' usual m.o. of scoring cheap points by peddling myths?
As we all know, Boris Johnston is not a dot the i's and cross the t's kind of person who is burdened by any concept of integrity and there is a clear political benefit to his government to getting the vaccine out asap. I have no truck with the anti-vaccine crowd, but in this instance I'm going to wait until the vaccine is approved by a few more countries before I would get it for myself or my family.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 2, 2020 16:44:35 GMT
Isn't it wonderful that EU law allowed the UK authorities an emergency provision to decide whether or not to allow use of a vaccine in the UK only. We should be so grateful. Otherwise they might have tried to take us to the European Court (if four years rather than four weeks would be long enough to do that, which judging by history it probably wouldn't. )
Seriously, it is for reasons like this that I'm half-pleased we are leaving, despite the fact I voted the other way and still have more than a few regrets and worries about Brexit. Using medical procedures in the UK should be regulated by UK medical professionals, only. And similarly for any other country.
I can't see why this is an area where EU law should ever have been superior and it's a sign of my ignorance about the reach of EU law that I never realised this was the case, until the present discussion began.
Anyway, it is the best possible news and full credit to all who achieved the seemingly impossible in record time. More good news is that (according to a poll) enthusiasm to be vaccinated is higher in the UK than almost anywhere else in the world so well done to all of us too, the British people apparently do believe in science. (Far more, from this poll, than people in the US, Germany or worst of all in Western Europe, France.)
But surely, unless I am misunderstanding what Julia Raine said, EU law is not superior? That's why the vaccine has been legally approved in the UK, in full compliance with EU law, during the transition period while EU law still applies
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 2, 2020 17:08:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 17:28:42 GMT
The point is/was, by no longer taking a unified approach, we have taken an independent decision, in advance of the EU member states. Had we not been moving out, we would likewise still be awaiting the approval and roll-out, at a later date. That alone is the Brexit link, and its influence upon proceedings. Matt Hancock should never have claimed it had any bearing on the fact that we are not awaiting for the EU to launch vaccinations. But yeah. Brexit = Big Bad, and today's news is a Big Bad too. I guess a lot of people are hoping for adverse consequences.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 2, 2020 17:45:49 GMT
The point is/was, by no longer taking a unified approach, we have taken an independent decision, in advance of the EU member states. Had we not been moving out, we would likewise still be awaiting the approval and roll-out, at a later date.
Surely the point is the exact opposite?
EU members are able to take independent decisions under EU law and the UK has used this provision within EU law, as any of the EU27 are also free to do id they choose. Countries are free to opt out of the unified approach - the UK is using the freedom it already had before brexit, and still has during the transition, to go it alone. Claiming today's decision was only possible because of brexit is simply untrue
Had we not been moving out, we would still have been able to approve the vaccine today under existing EU law.
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Post by Ela on Dec 2, 2020 18:01:14 GMT
On the BBC Newsday programme, I heard someone quoted as saying (and I can't find who said it right now, I probably zoned out when they identified the speaker for some reason) that because the UK has decided to roll out the vaccine so quickly, this will "all be over by the spring". Can't remember who said it, but I think that's overly optimistic. Even with immediate vaccine roll out, we don't know what will happen by spring. I doubt "this will all be over" by then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 18:06:37 GMT
Well, I am hugely encouraged by this news.
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Post by Ela on Dec 2, 2020 18:57:22 GMT
I'm cautiously optimistic. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Post by grinch on Dec 3, 2020 16:55:20 GMT
Attended a course today. Nothing too special just one of those session based ones where at the end you get a certificate to bolster your CV. Tutor made an off hand remark when we were discussing mental health saying ‘There’s nothing worse then feeling trapped in your own life.’
Felt like I had been punched in the gut to be honest when I heard that. Everything just hit home and I’m almost certain I spent the remainder of that session in a stupor.
I know there’s no point dwelling on it. Time marches on regardless after all. But you know that feeling when you realise you have no clue when you precisely lost control of your own life? Yeah, I’m feeling that in spades right now.
Not exactly COVID related I’ll grant you but I didn’t know where else to put this.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 3, 2020 19:12:28 GMT
Attended a course today. Nothing too special just one of those session based ones where at the end you get a certificate to bolster your CV. Tutor made an off hand remark when we were discussing mental health saying ‘There’s nothing worse then feeling trapped in your own life.’ Felt like I had been punched in the gut to be honest when I heard that. Everything just hit home and I’m almost certain I spent the remainder of that session in a stupor. I know there’s no point dwelling on it. Time marches on regardless after all. But you know that feeling when you realise you have no clue when you precisely lost control of your own life? Yeah, I’m feeling that in spades right now. Not exactly COVID related I’ll grant you but I didn’t know where else to put this. Believe me, I know how you feel. Sending you lost of virtual hugs. We will prevail.
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