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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 16:05:50 GMT
Rather late to the news of Sadie's casting. A really lovely touch, just as Daisy's casting last year in her mum's role was. Kudos once again Big Finish. As much as I now look forward to hearing Sadie's interpretation of Sarah Jane, I'm also eager to hear the Behind The Scenes (which better be included..or else!š”š) for her thoughts on taking up the role, not to mention Tom Baker's thoughts on working alongside Lis' daughter.
As for the release date, like many I've been curious as to why this has been announced so far in advance of November 2021. The fact that Sadie has taken the role, when I was under the impression she was focusing more on her writing than acting makes me wonder if this a false trail being laid to avoid mention of an earlier and more significant date next year..š¤
I know..pure speculation / borderline conspiracy theory on my part. But until we know for sure I'm wrong I'm going to quietly hope that I might be right. š
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 16:35:06 GMT
Language matters. "Precious" is denigrating condescension. "Protective," as suggested above, would have been a simple disagreement over opinions without the unnecessary put-down. You're not objecting to language though or you'd be considering context and tone. You're going by "a single word matters", not "language matters" which is fine with an offensive word but non-applicable here. Shallacatop and Audio said nothing remotely denigrating or offensive in the context of their posts. There's no put-down intended which is clear in the context.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 16:40:09 GMT
Rather late to the news of Sadie's casting. A really lovely touch, just as Daisy's casting last year in her mum's role was. Kudos once again Big Finish. As much as I now look forward to hearing Sadie's interpretation of Sarah Jane, I'm also eager to hear the Behind The Scenes (which better be included..or else!š”š) for her thoughts on taking up the role, not to mention Tom Baker's thoughts on working alongside Lis' daughter. As for the release date, like many I've been curious as to why this has been announced so far in advance of November 2021. The fact that Sadie has taken the role, when I was under the impression she was focusing more on her writing than acting makes me wonder if this a false trail being laid to avoid mention of an earlier and more significant date next year..š¤ I know..pure speculation / borderline conspiracy theory on my part. But until we know for sure I'm wrong I'm going to quietly hope that I might be right. š This is 100% speculative but Tom releases from what Nick has said often have people who don't even bother, or bother little, with other ranges. I wonder if the reason Tom's seasons and releases like this as put up for sale SO far in advance is that they're: a) recorded, so we know they're happening even years in advance and b) if they've got the anecdotally loyal Fourth Doctor fanbase then they'll pay hard cash even years ahead, more loyally and further ahead than other releases. Again, total guess. It's why I thought the Comic Range should have focused more on Tom than being based on the strips. He's a bigger attraction than Stockbridge to most BF listeners, I think.
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 2, 2020 16:50:47 GMT
The worry with this being so far in the future is that Big Finish will wait to judge fans reaction/acceptance until the story has been released.
If it is popular will they be able to schedule further adventures for the Fourth Doctor and Sarah.
As has been stated already, the thought of a Fourth Doctor series between season 12 and 13 is a very intriguing notion!
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Post by project37 on Apr 2, 2020 17:05:15 GMT
Dyed in the wool geek that I am, I'd have preferred the version that didn't contradict established continuity But very much looking forward to it. Does this recast open up the possibility of a resolution to the cliffhanger in BF's own SJS series? Sadie played Nat and her character had a fantastic audio chemistry with Sarah Jane (not surprising). Series two was so good and as much as I'd love a resolution to Dreamland, it might be a stretch to have her play the lead and a key supporting character.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 2, 2020 17:33:14 GMT
Language matters. "Precious" is denigrating condescension. "Protective," as suggested above, would have been a simple disagreement over opinions without the unnecessary put-down. I think itās quite clear that there was no intended put down from either of us. Youāre not seeing the word within its context and you donāt appear to be putting any into our posts. Iāll state once again that I didn't even mention my personal opinion of recasts. I was just trying to offer speculation on why Big Finish made the decision that they did. I donāt want to derail the thread any further, so am happy to leave it at that or take it to personal messages.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 2, 2020 17:43:12 GMT
Language matters. "Precious" is denigrating condescension. "Protective," as suggested above, would have been a simple disagreement over opinions without the unnecessary put-down. You're not objecting to language though or you'd be considering context and tone. You're going by "a single word matters", not "language matters" which is fine with an offensive word but non-applicable here. Shallacatop and Audio said nothing remotely denigrating or offensive in the context of their posts. There's no put-down intended which is clear in the context. Hard agree.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 2, 2020 17:47:10 GMT
Rather late to the news of Sadie's casting. A really lovely touch, just as Daisy's casting last year in her mum's role was. Kudos once again Big Finish. As much as I now look forward to hearing Sadie's interpretation of Sarah Jane, I'm also eager to hear the Behind The Scenes (which better be included..or else!š”š) for her thoughts on taking up the role, not to mention Tom Baker's thoughts on working alongside Lis' daughter. As for the release date, like many I've been curious as to why this has been announced so far in advance of November 2021. The fact that Sadie has taken the role, when I was under the impression she was focusing more on her writing than acting makes me wonder if this a false trail being laid to avoid mention of an earlier and more significant date next year..š¤ I know..pure speculation / borderline conspiracy theory on my part. But until we know for sure I'm wrong I'm going to quietly hope that I might be right. š This is 100% speculative but Tom releases from what Nick has said often have people who don't even bother, or bother little, with other ranges. I wonder if the reason Tom's seasons and releases like this as put up for sale SO far in advance is that they're: a) recorded, so we know they're happening even years in advance and b) if they've got the anecdotally loyal Fourth Doctor fanbase then they'll pay hard cash even years ahead, more loyally and further ahead than other releases. Again, total guess. It's why I thought the Comic Range should have focused more on Tom than being based on the strips. He's a bigger attraction than Stockbridge to most BF listeners, I think. Main Range and 4th Doctor are pretty much the only places where I'll subscribe years out. As we have discussed, I am also surprised the Comics Adaptation didn't do better. Like you said, if Tom Baker in The Iron Legion doesn't move a lot of units, nothing will.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 2, 2020 17:52:40 GMT
This is 100% speculative but Tom releases from what Nick has said often have people who don't even bother, or bother little, with other ranges. I wonder if the reason Tom's seasons and releases like this as put up for sale SO far in advance is that they're: a) recorded, so we know they're happening even years in advance and b) if they've got the anecdotally loyal Fourth Doctor fanbase then they'll pay hard cash even years ahead, more loyally and further ahead than other releases. Again, total guess. It's why I thought the Comic Range should have focused more on Tom than being based on the strips. He's a bigger attraction than Stockbridge to most BF listeners, I think. Main Range and 4th Doctor are pretty much the only places where I'll subscribe years out. As we have discussed, I am also surprised the Comics Adaptation didn't do better. Like you said, if Tom Baker in The Iron Legion doesn't move a lot of units, nothing will. I think itās more that they didnāt promote the Comic Strip Adaptations as being a Tom range, if that makes sense? They emphasised the Comic Strip Adaptations more than they did Fourth Doctor stories, very similar to the Novel Adaptations range, where the next set couldāve easily been an adaptation of Emperor of the Daleks or The World Shapers. Thereās a subtle difference there, and I think itās enough to alter sales accordingly. It is hard to define without knowing the figures, though. The closest we have is knowing that the first Novel Adaptations deluxe set has yet to sell out, but it tells us little.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 2, 2020 18:00:05 GMT
Main Range and 4th Doctor are pretty much the only places where I'll subscribe years out. As we have discussed, I am also surprised the Comics Adaptation didn't do better. Like you said, if Tom Baker in The Iron Legion doesn't move a lot of units, nothing will. I think itās more that they didnāt promote the Comic Strip Adaptations as being a Tom range, if that makes sense? They emphasised the Comic Strip Adaptations more than they did Fourth Doctor stories, very similar to the Novel Adaptations range, where the next set couldāve easily been an adaptation of Emperor of the Daleks or The World Shapers. Thereās a subtle difference there, and I think itās enough to alter sales accordingly. It is hard to define without knowing the figures, though. The closest we have is knowing that the first Novel Adaptations deluxe set has yet to sell out, but it tells us little. It being the 4th Doctor is pretty hard to miss though but without any information outside of no second commission for a range featuring Tom Baker, something didn't click.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 2, 2020 18:11:34 GMT
I think itās more that they didnāt promote the Comic Strip Adaptations as being a Tom range, if that makes sense? They emphasised the Comic Strip Adaptations more than they did Fourth Doctor stories, very similar to the Novel Adaptations range, where the next set couldāve easily been an adaptation of Emperor of the Daleks or The World Shapers. Thereās a subtle difference there, and I think itās enough to alter sales accordingly. It is hard to define without knowing the figures, though. The closest we have is knowing that the first Novel Adaptations deluxe set has yet to sell out, but it tells us little. It being the 4th Doctor is pretty hard to miss though but without any information outside of no second commission for a range featuring Tom Baker, something didn't click. Oh, I donāt disagree with you there. I think itās the connotation more than anything. If you think itās going to be an anthology range with different Doctors then you might be put off investing in it. Iād be interested if Classic Doctors, New Monsters 2 or The Diary of River Song 4 saw a spike in sales because of Tom, for example. It is purely speculative, much like @davygallagherās post. As you say, itās hard to miss that Tom is involved and if it did end up being an anthology Doctor range, then you could always just get the first set and have a lovely shelf of CDs that arenāt weirdly numbered!
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 2, 2020 18:12:22 GMT
Main Range and 4th Doctor are pretty much the only places where I'll subscribe years out. As we have discussed, I am also surprised the Comics Adaptation didn't do better. Like you said, if Tom Baker in The Iron Legion doesn't move a lot of units, nothing will. I think itās more that they didnāt promote the Comic Strip Adaptations as being a Tom range, if that makes sense? They emphasised the Comic Strip Adaptations more than they did Fourth Doctor stories, very similar to the Novel Adaptations range, where the next set couldāve easily been an adaptation of Emperor of the Daleks or The World Shapers. Thereās a subtle difference there, and I think itās enough to alter sales accordingly. It is hard to define without knowing the figures, though. The closest we have is knowing that the first Novel Adaptations deluxe set has yet to sell out, but it tells us little. Well, I still have not bitten the bullet in getting the Comic Strip adaptations featuring Tom. Tom is not really my favorite and I am massively turned off by the Meep.
Just have not been sold on it. I am not sure how much Tom would be the deal-maker?
However, if they would decide to do "The Gift" (or "Emperor of the Daleks" as a multi Doctor story) next, I would be all over it. Not very hard to guess why, in my case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 18:16:35 GMT
I think itās more that they didnāt promote the Comic Strip Adaptations as being a Tom range, if that makes sense? They emphasised the Comic Strip Adaptations more than they did Fourth Doctor stories, very similar to the Novel Adaptations range, where the next set couldāve easily been an adaptation of Emperor of the Daleks or The World Shapers. Thereās a subtle difference there, and I think itās enough to alter sales accordingly. It is hard to define without knowing the figures, though. The closest we have is knowing that the first Novel Adaptations deluxe set has yet to sell out, but it tells us little. It being the 4th Doctor is pretty hard to miss though but without any information outside of no second commission for a range featuring Tom Baker, something didn't click. Nick did say it hasn't sold very well though which is all we really need to know. As we've discussed The Iron Legion is THE Who comic for most, the gold standard (personally for me it's the Sixth Doctor era with Voyager, the Rupert The Bear tribute etc) and if that doesn't sell then not much will comic related. To describe a Venn diagram there aren't as many of us in the middle of one who know and care about all TV, comics, audios and books. Clearly there are BF fans who crossover on such a Venn diagram with TV Who and audio Who (or they wouldn't be on this forum)...but not comics, or the novels. A shame but as we've also discussed when people are also being thrown so many other ranges and spinoffs each month, they can't take a chance on everything, especially those who are still catching up with buying BF from over the years and aren't up to date.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 18:38:26 GMT
It being the 4th Doctor is pretty hard to miss though but without any information outside of no second commission for a range featuring Tom Baker, something didn't click. Nick did say it hasn't sold very well though which is all we really need to know. As we've discussed The Iron Legion is THE Who comic for most, the gold standard (personally for me it's the Sixth Doctor era with Voyager, the Rupert The Bear tribute etc) and if that doesn't sell then not much will comic related. To describe a Venn diagram there aren't as many of us in the middle of one who know and care about all TV, comics, audios and books. Clearly there are BF fans who crossover on such a Venn diagram with TV Who and audio Who (or they wouldn't be on this forum)...but not comics, or the novels. A shame but as we've also discussed when people are also being thrown so many other ranges and spinoffs each month, they can't take a chance on everything, especially those who are still catching up with buying BF from over the years and aren't up to date. Without any feelings against them doing the comic strips myself, it may be said that the definitive versions were the comics (in B/W too). Words and Pictures. A soundtrack to accompany them would be the ultimate enhancement, but with the likes of Voyager (which was a highlight of the Monthly at the time) and Junkyard Demon et al, the visual style and narrative tone sets them apart from the TV series. What I am thinking towards is that until an animation like Shada & Scream of the Shalka (no need to be as fluid as the lost TV episodes) comes along, the audio adaptations become reminiscent of Target Novelisations of stories produced for already on hand via DVD and VHS - more an additional means of consumption, but slightly redundant to many, as the visual element that characterises them is still to be accessed elsewhere. Just a personal viewpoint and not a statement of fact - I would still get them at the right price, but pound for pound would most likely opt for original audio myself and not a judgement of quality and effort.
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Post by number13 on Apr 2, 2020 23:09:16 GMT
I've never read a comic since I was about 10 and that didn't influence me about the Comic Strip adaptations one way or the other. The fact that these were new Fourth Doctor stories, that's what mattered. And even I'd heard of 'The Iron Legion'.
BF did discourage me a bit with some imo rather odd 'blurb' which made 'The Star Beast' sound like the side of New Who I don't like - I forget the phrase but it implied a 'kitchen-sink drama' social realism sort of thing. Realism? As if! It's another glorious aliens-on-Earth romp with Tom at his best and a cracking script! And the only kitchen sink was the nicely polished one a huge alien copper put his feet in when he entered Mrs whatsername's house abruptly via the back window in pursuit of the villain.
And 'The Iron Legion' is a riotus maximus! Anyone who likes the Fourth Doctor at all and hasn't heard them yet, treat yourself!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 23:37:01 GMT
I've never read a comic since I was about 10 and that didn't influence me about the Comic Strip adaptations one way or the other. The fact that these were new Fourth Doctor stories, that's what mattered. And even I'd heard of 'The Iron Legion'.
BF did discourage me a bit with some imo rather odd 'blurb' which made 'The Star Beast' sound like the side of New Who I don't like - I forget the phrase but it implied a 'kitchen-sink drama' social realism sort of thing. Realism? As if! It's another glorious aliens-on-Earth romp with Tom at his best and a cracking script! And the only kitchen sink was the nicely polished one a huge alien copper put his feet in when he entered Mrs whatsername's house abruptly via the back window in pursuit of the villain. And 'The Iron Legion' is a riotus maximus! Anyone who likes the Fourth Doctor at all and hasn't heard them yet, treat yourself!
They still remain two of the most quotable Doctor Who stories I've ever encountered at Big Finish. The best of Gothic whimsy. Marvellous.
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 3, 2020 9:17:29 GMT
I've never read a comic since I was about 10 and that didn't influence me about the Comic Strip adaptations one way or the other. The fact that these were new Fourth Doctor stories, that's what mattered. And even I'd heard of 'The Iron Legion'.
BF did discourage me a bit with some imo rather odd 'blurb' which made 'The Star Beast' sound like the side of New Who I don't like - I forget the phrase but it implied a 'kitchen-sink drama' social realism sort of thing. Realism? As if! It's another glorious aliens-on-Earth romp with Tom at his best and a cracking script! And the only kitchen sink was the nicely polished one a huge alien copper put his feet in when he entered Mrs whatsername's house abruptly via the back window in pursuit of the villain.
And 'The Iron Legion' is a riotus maximus! Anyone who likes the Fourth Doctor at all and hasn't heard them yet, treat yourself!
Yes I remember being a little bit nervous regarding the Comic Strip adaptions based on the Big Finish announcements. Fortunately that didnāt put me off, but coupled with the price tag and Beep the Meep not being universally loved I can understand why some didnāt take the plunge! Is it too late for them to offer the stories as separate downloads? In the latest Vortex there was an email asking for volume 2 and Nick did say āwe would like to return to this one dayā so it wasnāt a complete no like more Novel Adaptations.
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Post by pazzer on Apr 4, 2020 14:37:53 GMT
I feel a bit silly as for some reason thought both stories in comic strip adaptations had different Doctor's. Now I know it's two 4th Doctor stories will add it to my wishlist.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 5, 2020 8:33:52 GMT
Regarding the recast of Sarah and Harry im quite happy for Sadie to take over in her mothers role i feel she will make her mother proud, also there is a real warmth between Sadie and Tom in the behind the sofa special feature on the blu ray so im curious to see how The 4 and Sarah dynamic will be in here i wish her and the Harry Sullivan recast the best and hope it goes well so we can have more future adventures with them set in Season 12/13 (a UNIT story with all of them and the brig would be grand)
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 6, 2020 1:12:47 GMT
Regarding the comic strip adaptions i think they should have done a boxset with one a 4th Doctor and another an 8th doctor adaption since they are both popular doctors it would have perhaps generated more interest?
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