|
Post by mark687 on Oct 23, 2020 19:09:33 GMT
Regards
mark687
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 21:30:44 GMT
Magnificent artwork! Fills me with excitement and emotions, while we honour the memory of the beloved Lis Sladen. 👏
|
|
|
Post by shallacatop on Oct 24, 2020 7:25:53 GMT
I really like it when the artists can achieve new poses for the Doctor, which means they can do composite work and you’re essentially getting something you’ve never seen before. We’ve come along way from those awful CGI bodies from The Light at the End special edition!
|
|
|
Post by shallacatop on Oct 24, 2020 12:40:45 GMT
Thanks to jahawk2009 for digging this out on another thread. John Dorney has shared his original ending for Return of the Cybermen, which allowed that and Revenge to exist and explained a whole host of other things... I don’t think it’s all that silly really. It’s fun for sure, but makes perfect sense.
|
|
|
Post by sherlock on Oct 24, 2020 13:16:40 GMT
Thanks to jahawk2009 for digging this out on another thread. John Dorney has shared his original ending for Return of the Cybermen, which allowed that and Revenge to exist and explained a whole host of other things... I don’t think it’s all that silly really. It’s fun for sure, but makes perfect sense. Shame it was cut. That one scene fixes continuity for basically all-time. In its absence, I guess we just consider Return an Unbound style side-step.
|
|
|
Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 24, 2020 13:29:34 GMT
I’m keeping that epilogue as headcanon personally.
|
|
|
Post by fitzoliverj on Oct 24, 2020 16:04:21 GMT
I quite like that, although I still reckon the proximity of the time alterations in "A Device fo Death" should be sufficient. (But can anybody explain that Three Doctors reference?)
|
|
dorney
Big Finish Creative Team
Likes: 3,079
|
Post by dorney on Oct 24, 2020 18:02:56 GMT
I quite like that, although I still reckon the proximity of the time alterations in "A Device fo Death" should be sufficient. (But can anybody explain that Three Doctors reference?) Oh it’s just so it wasn’t a checklist of continuity points. Wanted something in there that wasn’t a reference to suggest a wider world.
|
|
mbt66
Chancellery Guard
Likes: 3,081
|
Post by mbt66 on Oct 24, 2020 18:33:22 GMT
I quite like that, although I still reckon the proximity of the time alterations in "A Device fo Death" should be sufficient. (But can anybody explain that Three Doctors reference?) Oh it’s just so it wasn’t a checklist of continuity points. Wanted something in there that wasn’t a reference to suggest a wider world. Or perhaps Mr Dorney has an alternative Three Doctors story planned!!! But as others have said I will probably add this to my head canon once I have listened to the story...but having read the scene, and thank you for sharing it, I wonder why Big Finish didn’t record it?
|
|
|
Post by grinch on Oct 24, 2020 18:51:49 GMT
Oh it’s just so it wasn’t a checklist of continuity points. Wanted something in there that wasn’t a reference to suggest a wider world. Or perhaps Mr Dorney has an alternative Three Doctors story planned!!! But as others have said I will probably add this to my head canon once I have listened to the story...but having read the scene, and thank you for sharing it, I wonder why Big Finish didn’t record it? Maybe they thought it was a trifle too self indulgent?
|
|
|
Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 24, 2020 18:55:15 GMT
Or perhaps Mr Dorney has an alternative Three Doctors story planned!!! But as others have said I will probably add this to my head canon once I have listened to the story...but having read the scene, and thank you for sharing it, I wonder why Big Finish didn’t record it? Maybe they thought it was a trifle too self indulgent? Yeah this is probably it.
|
|
|
Post by grinch on Oct 24, 2020 19:03:32 GMT
Don’t get me wrong though, I rather like the idea and it’s now my headcanon when it comes to issues of continuity.
Guess we can consider this idea this decade’s version of ‘Ripples from the Time War...’ now that I think about it.
|
|
dorney
Big Finish Creative Team
Likes: 3,079
|
Post by dorney on Oct 24, 2020 19:09:26 GMT
Maybe they thought it was a trifle too self indulgent? Yeah this is probably it. It absolutely is.
|
|
mbt66
Chancellery Guard
Likes: 3,081
|
Post by mbt66 on Oct 24, 2020 19:55:28 GMT
Or perhaps Mr Dorney has an alternative Three Doctors story planned!!! But as others have said I will probably add this to my head canon once I have listened to the story...but having read the scene, and thank you for sharing it, I wonder why Big Finish didn’t record it? Maybe they thought it was a trifle too self indulgent? I think Big Finish audios are the epitome of self indulgent!
|
|
|
Post by shallacatop on Oct 24, 2020 20:34:56 GMT
I don’t think it’s all that indulgent myself. It picks up on a plot point from the preceding episode and takes the opportunity to explain why the Doctor, Sarah & Harry are involved in two similar stories. Perhaps the non-Time War references are indulgent, but everything else is sound and suits the story perfectly.
It’s nowhere near as bad as the random Day of the Doctor reference from Seven in Cold Fusion. That was self-indulgent and clunky; the epitome of how these things can be inappropriate.
|
|
|
Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 24, 2020 21:29:26 GMT
I don’t think it’s all that indulgent myself. It picks up on a plot point from the preceding episode and takes the opportunity to explain why the Doctor, Sarah & Harry are involved in two similar stories. Perhaps the non-Time War references are indulgent, but everything else is sound and suits the story perfectly. It’s nowhere near as bad as the random Day of the Doctor reference from Seven in Cold Fusion. That was self-indulgent and clunky; the epitome of how these things can be inappropriate. The thing is though, Cold Fusion did have a load of references like that to other multi-Doctor stories, so it makes sense that they would adapt it to reference actual multi-Doctor stories rather than made up ones.
|
|
|
Post by shallacatop on Oct 24, 2020 21:33:23 GMT
I don’t think it’s all that indulgent myself. It picks up on a plot point from the preceding episode and takes the opportunity to explain why the Doctor, Sarah & Harry are involved in two similar stories. Perhaps the non-Time War references are indulgent, but everything else is sound and suits the story perfectly. It’s nowhere near as bad as the random Day of the Doctor reference from Seven in Cold Fusion. That was self-indulgent and clunky; the epitome of how these things can be inappropriate. The thing is though, Cold Fusion did have a load of references like that to other multi-Doctor stories, so it makes sense that they would adapt it to reference actual multi-Doctor stories rather than made up ones. I get that, but the way the reference itself is written is appalling. It’s completely out of place, clunky and stands out like a sore thumb. It’s a prime example of how these things don’t always work and can be self-indulgent in a poor way. I’ve no issue with the rest of the references and indeed don’t think the cut scene from Return of the Cybermen is self-indulgent and was comparing it to something I think is significantly worse, yet made it in the production.
|
|
|
Post by xlozdob on Oct 24, 2020 22:44:15 GMT
Well, Christopher Naylor seems to be willing to record it... perhaps a social media exclusive, like they've been doing recently? Or a lockdown special. Get Emily Cook on it!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 22:48:53 GMT
Given that it is a lost story, I thought the unused epilogue was a very neat way of connecting it to the established timeline. A couple of minutes at the most, of dialogue that fits it within. I am happy enough to have been able to read it courtesy of John Dorney's script tease, but I really would not have had any objection to its recording and inclusion.
We accept all these Audio tales as fitting into the cracks between the televised tales and make our own canon to tally it all together, so why not have a light epilogue that realigns an unmade story treatment with the televised version and established it as something that happened in S12 leading into Revenge of the Cybermen?
I don't think it was silly, but rather would have been nice to have it acknowledge Revenge of the Cybermen and thereby exist in the actual chronology.
Whatever. I enjoyed it and if the rest of the assembled Audio is as well scripted, I expect we will be in for a good listen.
Oh, and one thing. Every time I glance at the cover, I keep misreading and seeing 'Christopher Robbie' on the cast list...
|
|
|
Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 24, 2020 22:55:45 GMT
Ooh I’d love to see it adapted as a social media exclusive. They do these bits and pieces all the time that don’t see the light of day anywhere else but on social media so that’d be the perfect way to have the cake and eat it.
|
|