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Post by elkawho on Apr 5, 2020 1:45:00 GMT
Even after all of this time, this may be one of the best stories BF has ever produced. The writing, the acting, the guest characters, they all come together so well. I love the cynical Doctor who turns to drink as she realizes what she created and the hopelessness of her situation. Nyssa wanting to help but unable to change what is coming. And how they end up using The Doctor is just awful. Worse than any torture could do to him. I remember the first time I heard this audio and thinking about how powerful it was. You know what's coming, yet the true horror of it still creeps up on you. Just perfect.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 5, 2020 2:08:24 GMT
It is an excellent story - one that oddly enough I cannot abide. It is too grim, too heartbreaking, too inevitable failure-y for me to be entertained by it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 8:56:14 GMT
I'm in the habit of distinguishing Daleks from Cybermen by the way their societies tend to function. A Dalek is fundamentally authoritarian. Obey the rule of law or be exterminated. Cybermen, on the other hand, are much more utilitarian. Everything for a purpose. No art, no culture, not even a poem; however grotesque it may sound from an omnicidal drone. Spare Parts posits this fascinating origin where humankind stepped foot onto the magnificent desolation -- and their suits exploded. The men inside die instantly. A horrific inversion of the triumph behind that first lunar landing.
It goes beyond the Planet of Hats that might be found in an alternate Earth, though. The Cybermen, like the Doctormen and Sistermen, are merely another arm of the great civilised machine. The name begins as an honourific title. No different to Mister, Miss... Doctor. There's something genuinely quite unnervingly pragmatic about why they exist in the first place. They're chosen from candidates who are actually jealous if they fail the selection process. The chrome sheen of propaganda holds a stark contrast to the poor, miserable and unprogrammed Cyberman who returns home to her father and brother. Unable to face what she had become.
Are the Cybermen inherently evil? A Dalek's genetic structure and mental conditioning is so intrinsically tied to that lack of pity, remorse or morality, that it's comparatively straightforward to see why such a creature is evil. But a cyborg work crew, tasked with the reparation of systems vital to the survival of Mondasians, quicksilver Atlases holding up the roof of the world? It's much more difficult to say. They're not an authority. They're a function. A function that eventually outgrew its original purpose and ran uncontrolled throughout the universe. Pushed and prodded by the genuine evil of the Committee, a parasitic bloat of authority that's been absorbing all city resources with one goal -- survival at all costs.
Part of what makes Spare Parts so potent is that, for all intents and purposes, the Fifth Doctor and Nyssa have arrived in a historical. Adorned in gold leaf palaces, mounted police on cybernised horses and lens-eyed silverfish you could hide under a Christmas tree, but nevertheless, all the tenants are there. There's a palpable sense of doom hanging over the whole thing. The Doctor proves instrumental to refining the conversion process, Nyssa prevents him from leaving, even Doctorman Allan's repeated efforts to find another way are stifled by the cold, relentless logic of a seemingly insurmountable disaster.
(Incidentally, how good is Sally Knyvette's Doctorman Allan. Not even an anti-Davros, she's just a woman trying genuinely to find solutions and failing every single time. A last spark of reasoned humanity snapping at the Committee.)
I can never find fault with a Marc Platt script. His stories are some of my absolute favourites, they're right up there in my mind, but among the best of the best is Spare Parts. It's downright revolutionary.
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Post by ljwilson on Apr 5, 2020 9:21:53 GMT
Locked and loaded on the player for today.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 6, 2020 7:26:00 GMT
You know.....a Planet of Hats does have some appeal
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 8:29:07 GMT
You know.....a Planet of Hats does have some appeal True, true. There's a great deal of fun to be had with a Planet of Prohibition Gangsters. I think with any big Doctor Who baddie, though, it needs to go beyond the Hat. You don't want your audience to sit back at the end of The Origin StoryTM and go: "Oh... Was that it?" Many of them begin in recognisable places -- the Daleks are space facists, the Sontarans are space jingoists, etc -- but there's more, much more, that shapes them into truly memorable adversaries. Platt manages to turn a mirror Earth, frozen forever in the 1950s, into a scrying glass of jamais vu. Something familiar, yet never before seen. He takes the hat and turns it into a full colour-coordinated suit that provides as many questions as it answers. I can understand the brutal impression, though. It's not quite as unremittingly bleak as The Dalek Occupation of Winter or the later Creatures of Beauty, but definitely one of the darker tales for early Five and Nyssa.
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 6, 2020 8:57:48 GMT
I have to agree that this story, for me, is also very, very bleak. I think the only other BF classic story even bleaker is "Jubliee". And more recently, the first War Master set and Lies in Ruins. Yes, these are fantastic tales, wonderfully written, perfectly performed. But are they enjoyable? There is a reason I have not had these on my re-listen plan for a long time, because I know they will upset me emotionally. Of course this speaks for the quality of the story, that fiction is able to transform one's mood to despair. But to be honest, it is not my idea of relaxing evening entertainment.
Maybe, however, I am just to sensitive.
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Post by ljwilson on Apr 6, 2020 13:39:19 GMT
One thing to note about Spare Parts is how stylish and vivid the post production is.
I love the bit when The Sisterman uses an old-school pay phone, with the pips and the coin, when reporting the stranger called 'O'Traken'
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Post by ljwilson on Apr 6, 2020 13:39:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 4:31:34 GMT
One thing to note about Spare Parts is how stylish and vivid the post production is. I love the bit when The Sisterman uses an old-school pay phone, with the pips and the coin, when reporting the stranger called 'O'Traken' One of my favourite scenes for the production values is the Doctor's interrogation by the Committee in the scanner (well, "scanner"). At the beginning of "Part Four". With headphones on, it gets uncomfortably close to the ear. There's a real claustrophobia to it. "Excellent, abolish doctors! Someone fetch a mechanic!"
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 7, 2020 7:18:11 GMT
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 7, 2020 10:56:49 GMT
Its just perfectly made
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Post by mark687 on Apr 7, 2020 11:30:23 GMT
Its seeing it through the Hartley Family (their just an average Family trying to survive), and the Doctor's surrender to/ revolution of the unavertable that this works on.
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 12, 2020 11:17:37 GMT
One of those stories that somehow I can't hear too many times. I've probably become desensitized by now to how dark it really is but the characters and events stand out as much as ever, perhaps even more.
I think it's a good reminder of the limitations of a Time Lord with Nyssa and the Doctor so nobly resisting the inevitable only for events to go they way they will anyway.
As always, I really enjoy the guest appearance by Sally Knyvette - I only had to hear that voice and it started bringing back Blake's 7 memories long before I got into the Big Finish B7 range.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 12:24:19 GMT
One of those stories that somehow I can't hear too many times. Agree 100%.
Spare Parts is one of the best Doctor Who stories of any medium. Top notch writing by Marc Plat with an origin of the Cybermen tale that's bleak and horrifying. Definitely up there with the best MR stories Big Finish have ever produced. I've lost count of the amount of times I have listened to this story since 2002.
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Post by masterdoctor on Apr 17, 2020 19:37:55 GMT
Spare Parts by Marc Platt
A great origin for the Mondasian Cyberman, and a very well-done release. I admit, however, that it isn't my favourite by any means. I just think the Cyberman have had better stories, especially audio-wise.
Platt weaves an engrossing tale, filled with darkness and tragedy. Both Davison and Sutton are on fire in this, being pit against each other morally. Sally Knyvette and Darren Nesbitt are great supports and accentuate each narrative thread well. It's also an incredibly smart move placing the Fifth Doctor in the events of the Cyberman's creation, as he has lost the most to him, other than perhaps 12. The soundscape and setting is well-developed, and everything fits together, with nothing feeling tonally out of place.
And yet, like I said, this is a middle-tier Cyberman story for me. And I think it comes down to personal taste. When I look at my favourite Cyberman stories, such as Dark Water/Death in Heaven, World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls and The Harvest, they all examine the body horror, psyche and how the Cyberman are used much more than Spare Parts does. Spare Parts focuses very much on the creation and production of the Cyberman, which is its purpose as a story, but something that just isn't my cup of tea comparatively.
Up next is the start of Big Finish's Cyber-trilogy and I cannot wait!
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Post by muckypup on Apr 17, 2020 22:22:55 GMT
Spare parts where everything aligned to make the first doctor who audio to better the TV show or at least equal the very best of the TV stories
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 23:24:28 GMT
Spare parts where everything aligned to make the first doctor who audio to better the TV show or at least equal the very best of the TV stories Spot on (avatar inspired!) I still rank it as the best Audio Doctor Who. Up there with Caves of Androzani
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Post by sherlock on Apr 18, 2020 22:56:24 GMT
One of the stories that doesn’t put a foot wrong. Everything about this story is excellent and the Cybermen have never been more chilling as a result.
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Post by Hieronymus on Apr 19, 2020 3:35:10 GMT
I think that giving this story to the Fifth Doctor and Nyssa makes this story all the more heart-breaking. Of all the Doctors, Peter Davison's has that air of innocence, earnestness, and hope, so this story pushes the limits of his Doctor. Nyssa likewise is a companion who is 100% kind and good, but faces this worst of possible scenarios. The contrast between the personalities of the two leads and the bleak situation in which they find themselves gives this story its razor edge.
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