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Post by Ela on May 5, 2021 17:36:47 GMT
No, I just wish I could forget it.
I still think it's perfectly awful.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 8, 2022 1:59:57 GMT
Well... huh. This is a new one -- there've been plenty of audios I haven't cared for, and a small few I've genuinely disliked, but this is the first time I actually regret listening to one. So much of the 5th Doctor's character depth -- the bits that make him interesting -- are rooted in his melancholy and regret. And much of that is rooted in his guilt for having failed to save Adric. Or, rather, for getting Adric killed. Revealing that Adric actually survived, and went on to live another five centuries as king of the crab people undermines all of that.
...Anyway.
It's been a while since I listened to the preceding Brewster story, but lemme see if I've got this right... Brewster manages to steal the TARDIS (how'd he manage that, again?) but gets stuck somewhere (the Vortex?) and then Adric's ghost pops up and sends him back to the Doctor with the TARDIS. And now he gets to be a companion, just like that? All he had to do was ask, and all was forgiven? I dunno. Doesn't really work for me.
But into the story here proper....
I kind of like this version of Adric-as-IncelVillain. He walks a lovely balance between familiar, menacing, and scatterbrained -- not quite into the realm of senility, but very nearly. The whole idea of manipulating the fabric of reality by chanting binary code is also very cool (and wasn't there a very similar idea in one of the two Unbound Universe NABS boxsets?).
What doesn't work so well is the Crab People Civilization. Okay, sure, they're technically Scorpion People, but all I could picture in my mind were a bunch of Doctor Zoidbergs scuttling about. Which at least made them almost amusing,which helped, because otherwise these people, their world and their culture are all remarkably dull. Insofar as Doctor Who aliens go, these are about as generic as they come.
And then there's the whole notion of Adric changing history and somehow erasing the Dinosaurs completely (which doesn't make any sense considering both the timeline of the freighter's crash as well as the whole, you know, enormous span of time Dinosaurs lived and thrived. And considering how absolutely nuts the Paleogene Era was (presumably when this story takes place -- very early in the Paleogene) it might've been cool to explore some of the unique, bizarre flora and fauna of the time, rather than just... people but crabs. But if I had a nickel for every time I groaned about wasted potential -- even just that niche of wasted historical potential -- well, I'd have a lot of nickels.
Also: Nyssa and Adric were into each other? Or Adric had an unrequited crush? Where'd that come from?
But enough meandering. Taken in isolation, yeah, it's a decent enough story with nothing terribly good or terribly bad about it -- distinctly unremarkable -- but in the broader context of the 5th Doctor's character arc it feels (deeply) misguided. At best. And, of course, it also manages to cheapen Adric's arc as, now, instead of sacrificing his life to ensure the evolutionary continuity of Earth, he just... croaks of old age, for no particular dramatic reason, other than that it'd be kinda awkward if he survived.
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Post by bonehead on Oct 8, 2022 13:10:33 GMT
Well... huh. This is a new one -- there've been plenty of audios I haven't cared for, and a small few I've genuinely disliked, but this is the first time I actually regret listening to one. So much of the 5th Doctor's character depth -- the bits that make him interesting -- are rooted in his melancholy and regret. And much of that is rooted in his guilt for having failed to save Adric. Or, rather, for getting Adric killed. Revealing that Adric actually survived, and went on to live another five centuries as king of the crab people undermines all of that....Anyway .It's been a while since I listened to the preceding Brewster story, but lemme see if I've got this right... Brewster manages to steal the TARDIS (how'd he manage that, again?) but gets stuck somewhere (the Vortex?) and then Adric's ghost pops up and sends him back to the Doctor with the TARDIS. And now he gets to be a companion, just like that? All he had to do was ask, and all was forgiven? I dunno. Doesn't really work for me. But into the story here proper.... I kind of like this version of Adric-as- IncelVillain. He walks a lovely balance between familiar, menacing, and scatterbrained -- not quite into the realm of senility, but very nearly. The whole idea of manipulating the fabric of reality by chanting binary code is also very cool (and wasn't there a very similar idea in one of the two Unbound Universe NABS boxsets?). What doesn't work so well is the Crab People Civilization. Okay, sure, they're technically Scorpion People, but all I could picture in my mind were a bunch of Doctor Zoidbergs scuttling about. Which at least made them almost amusing,which helped, because otherwise these people, their world and their culture are all remarkably dull. Insofar as Doctor Who aliens go, these are about as generic as they come. And then there's the whole notion of Adric changing history and somehow erasing the Dinosaurs completely (which doesn't make any sense considering both the timeline of the freighter's crash as well as the whole, you know, enormous span of time Dinosaurs lived and thrived. And considering how absolutely nuts the Paleogene Era was (presumably when this story takes place -- very early in the Paleogene) it might've been cool to explore some of the unique, bizarre flora and fauna of the time, rather than just... people but crabs. But if I had a nickel for every time I groaned about wasted potential -- even just that niche of wasted historical potential -- well, I'd have a lot of nickels. Also: Nyssa and Adric were into each other? Or Adric had an unrequited crush? Where'd that come from? But enough meandering. Taken in isolation, yeah, it's a decent enough story with nothing terribly good or terribly bad about it -- distinctly unremarkable -- but in the broader context of the 5th Doctor's character arc it feels (deeply) misguided. At best. And, of course, it also manages to cheapen Adric's arc as, now, instead of sacrificing his life to ensure the evolutionary continuity of Earth, he just... croaks of old age, for no particular dramatic reason, other than that it'd be kinda awkward if he survived. This story might be better viewed (or listened to!) as a kind of 'what if ...?' That's how I see it, and I applaud BF for their willingness to experiment with established canon - or blow it out of the water, in this case. I'm not sure how I feel about Adric perving after Nyssa in such a way, but Matthew Waterhouse himself suggested in an interview with DWM years ago that Adric had perhaps, erm, tried it on with Nyssa in between stories and received a slap for his troubles. Perhaps Paul Magrs read that interview.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 8, 2022 22:49:25 GMT
Yeah, I also like that more malleable approach to canon. This is certainly not a story I'm gonna archive in my own, internal sense of continuity.
The story seems to suggest something of a love triangle on the TARDIS, with Adric crushing on Nyssa, who was in turn crushing on the Doctor (from which we can extrapolate that the Doctor must've had a crush on Adric?) but I just... cannot imagine that scenario, whether it was "real" of merely how Adric perceived things. The Doctor has always come across as a very ace character (an ace icon, even) but I've always thought of the 5th Doctor as especially ace, and his TARDIS team, in general, as being especially sexless.
Basically, the only subtextual vibes I ever got were wholly platonic. Familial, rather. The Doctor functioning as the paternalist father, Nyssa the older sister, Adric the younger brother, (Tegan the bratty middle child, Turlough the cynical teenager).
So it just feels... kinda incestuous.
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Post by Star Platinum on Oct 9, 2022 7:04:26 GMT
Yeah, I also like that more malleable approach to canon. This is certainly not a story I'm gonna archive in my own, internal sense of continuity. The story seems to suggest something of a love triangle on the TARDIS, with Adric crushing on Nyssa, who was in turn crushing on the Doctor (from which we can extrapolate that the Doctor must've had a crush on Adric?) but I just... cannot imagine that scenario, whether it was "real" of merely how Adric perceived things. The Doctor has always come across as a very ace character (an ace icon, even) but I've always thought of the 5th Doctor as especially ace, and his TARDIS team, in general, as being especially sexless. Basically, the only subtextual vibes I ever got were wholly platonic. Familial, rather. The Doctor functioning as the paternalist father, Nyssa the older sister, Adric the younger brother, (Tegan the bratty middle child, Turlough the cynical teenager). So it just feels... kinda incestuous. I’ve never looked at it through a familial lense, but looking at the season 19 team as a found family works really well. They’ve all lost their families in their travels, all they really have are each other. |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 11, 2022 15:21:11 GMT
I didnt actually find this story that bad when i listened to it. Just took a few weird turns
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Post by sidestep on Nov 20, 2022 4:25:56 GMT
Because of warnings on various lists & forums, There used to be 4 titles on my “bought it for completion purposes but will never listen”:
Nekromantia, Minuet in Hell, Corpse Day, & The Boy that Time Forgot.
Over the years, I had listened to Minuet in Hell (not too bad, it was entertaining) & now The Boy that Time Forgot (because it was next in the 5th Doctor’s Timeline from Bradley’s Basement. These timelines were very useful to me in organizing the listening, reading & watching order of Doctors 5-8).
At the start, I had no idea that the ruler was Adric & so was completely surprised. I had to relisten to that part twice to make sure I was hearing the name correctly.
As the story progressed, I thought he was perhaps an impostor who somehow psychically harvested Nyssa’s memories which is why he knew all these things?
When I finally realized it was really 500 year old Adric acting in a creepy way, I felt horrified yet was unable to stop listening. In fairness, plot & characterization & strange/problematic implications to the canon aside, it was a well produced story, I thought.
I chuckled at the “Madam Teegana” naming. It was equal parts funny, yet sad, hinting at the centuries of loneliness this Adric must’ve endured.
I was also amused at the Iris mention.
The actor’s voice acting was suitable for an ancient, decrepit, slightly senile Adric, I thought.
Ultimately though, I’ve decided to mentally file this story in my mind as a parody. I give due credit to it as a technically well written, well produced, entertaining story (that I understood at first listen, compared to some other better reviewed BF stories), but refuse to accept that this is how their stories & lives played out.
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 24, 2022 6:31:23 GMT
Nekromantia, Minuet in Hell, Corpse Day, & The Boy that Time Forgot. I completely memory-holed Nekromanteia immediately after listening to it. I have zero actual recollection of anything that happened in it. It was so bad I could even commit the specifics to memory. Minuet in Hell I don't recall as being particularly awful, but it's been a while. I think that was one of the first stories I listened to. That said, if we're talking about stories worth buying for completion's sake, but too notoriously terrible to bother listening to, I can't help but notice a conspicuous absence on your list: Exile. It's the only one on my list, at least -- I've heard so many bad things, I know I should probably just skip it, but at the same time... It feels weird not to do the usual completionist bit. |
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Post by sidestep on Nov 24, 2022 9:05:20 GMT
Nekromantia, Minuet in Hell, Corpse Day, & The Boy that Time Forgot. I completely memory-holed Nekromanteia immediately after listening to it. I have zero actual recollection of anything that happened in it. It was so bad I could even commit the specifics to memory. Minuet in Hell I don't recall as being particularly awful, but it's been a while. I think that was one of the first stories I listened to. That said, if we're talking about stories worth buying for completion's sake, but too notoriously terrible to bother listening to, I can't help but notice a conspicuous absence on your list: Exile. It's the only one on my list, at least -- I've heard so many bad things, I know I should probably just skip it, but at the same time... It feels weird not to do the usual completionist bit. I got Exile during an Unbound sale early in my BF collecting years, so I barely had any backlog back then (unlike now) so I listened to every audio I bought almost immediately, & was happy that I was listening to many kinds of Doctor Who stories. 😊 I think I listened to Exile together with some other Unbound audios, & don’t recall it being particularly awful. (I think it was because I treated that Unbound binge listening session as an anthology & so was open to different personalities of the Doctor). Full Fathom Five left the strongest, most enduring impression. Exile doesn’t appear on the “do not listen” lists as often as the 4 I mentioned. & I spotted it on a list long after I had already listened to it. |
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 24, 2022 20:00:03 GMT
Nekromantia, Minuet in Hell, Corpse Day, & The Boy that Time Forgot. I completely memory-holed Nekromanteia immediately after listening to it. I have zero actual recollection of anything that happened in it. It was so bad I could even commit the specifics to memory. Minuet in Hell I don't recall as being particularly awful, but it's been a while. I think that was one of the first stories I listened to. That said, if we're talking about stories worth buying for completion's sake, but too notoriously terrible to bother listening to, I can't help but notice a conspicuous absence on your list: Exile. It's the only one on my list, at least -- I've heard so many bad things, I know I should probably just skip it, but at the same time... It feels weird not to do the usual completionist bit. My advice- just continue to "forget" about Exile. Reason- you will never be able to "un-hear" it. To say it is awful is doing it a favour.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 10:45:07 GMT
Exile doesn’t appear on the “do not listen” lists as often as the 4 I mentioned. & I spotted it on a list long after I had already listened to it. There should be no such thing as a 'do not listen' list. I think every Big Finish story is worth listening to at least once, even if it ends up not being your cup of tea... even the bad stories have some interesting things in them. (Interesting might mean different things to different people though!!!) |
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Post by sidestep on Nov 25, 2022 12:13:13 GMT
Exile doesn’t appear on the “do not listen” lists as often as the 4 I mentioned. & I spotted it on a list long after I had already listened to it. There should be no such thing as a 'do not listen' list. I think every Big Finish story is worth listening to at least once, even if it ends up not being your cup of tea... even the bad stories have some interesting things in them. (Interesting might mean different things to different people though!!!) I agree that even the bad stories have some interesting things in them, which is why I ended up listening to this story & Minuet in Hell. Not listening to the other 2 though. Trigger warnings. |
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 25, 2022 15:10:34 GMT
Exile doesn’t appear on the “do not listen” lists as often as the 4 I mentioned. & I spotted it on a list long after I had already listened to it. There should be no such thing as a 'do not listen' list. I think every Big Finish story is worth listening to at least once, even if it ends up not being your cup of tea... even the bad stories have some interesting things in them. (Interesting might mean different things to different people though!!!) I agree in principle, but in practice it's a bit iffy. Maybe it's better to think of these lists (which, let's acknowledge, are always remarkably short) are more like a, "caution before buying," thing. As for the latter point, this came up just the other day in another thread, but is equally relevant here... but Big Finish has a (very good, IMO) tendency to re-use old story ideas, and typically winds up taking stories that just... weren't very good... and then redoing them, and making something great. It's been kind of wild for me, with my erratic listening sequence, hitting upon the not-so-good older stories AFTER the newer ones, and then getting the belated realization that Big Finish had already fixed everything. The set that comes to mind first, assuming I'm not mixing up the titles in my mind, are Dark Universe and The Dark Flame, over in the Monthly Range, with the former being like a 10/10 reimagining of the latter, which was a 4/10 for me at most. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 22:14:11 GMT
There should be no such thing as a 'do not listen' list. I think every Big Finish story is worth listening to at least once, even if it ends up not being your cup of tea... even the bad stories have some interesting things in them. (Interesting might mean different things to different people though!!!) I agree in principle, but in practice it's a bit iffy. Maybe it's better to think of these lists (which, let's acknowledge, are always remarkably short) are more like a, "caution before buying," thing. As for the latter point, this came up just the other day in another thread, but is equally relevant here... but Big Finish has a (very good, IMO) tendency to re-use old story ideas, and typically winds up taking stories that just... weren't very good... and then redoing them, and making something great. It's been kind of wild for me, with my erratic listening sequence, hitting upon the not-so-good older stories AFTER the newer ones, and then getting the belated realization that Big Finish had already fixed everything. The set that comes to mind first, assuming I'm not mixing up the titles in my mind, are Dark Universe and The Dark Flame, over in the Monthly Range, with the former being like a 10/10 reimagining of the latter, which was a 4/10 for me at most. Interesting points. I do think when it comes to the "avoid this...", unless it's for a reason that you know will trigger someone specific - Stranded 4, Nekromanteia etc - then everything should be on the table, with a caveat. That caveat is people often ask "Should I pick up...." during a sale and get told "NO, AVOID". Wheras I always, always, always say "If you have even half a mind of being a completist..100% YES". Why? Because if you are going to hate a story...you may as well take a chance on only losing a pound rather than £5, or whatever the sale di jour is. Is Exile bad? Is The Boy That Time Forgot? Yeah..but I tell you what, I paid full price on release (well, subscription back in the "subscribers get more..." days) so if someone can find that out for themselves - and maybe disagree - for the price of a can of coke? I think that's win-win for the buyer and BF. The buyer isn't gambling more than spare change and BF get another sale. And I've stumped for some stories massively during sales over the years that I think are masterworks that don't get the love they should - Excelis Dawns comes to mind the most. Sapphire & Steel back in the day. Dorian back when there were loads of "Oh, I won't buy a download only series" posts on the old forum, the Short Trips (which again the physical only buyers have missed out on some masterpieces with). Every story has champions. Less so in a case like this but hey...I'm a Thomas Brewster fan so what do I know?  |
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Post by sidestep on Nov 26, 2022 0:20:48 GMT
I agree in principle, but in practice it's a bit iffy. Maybe it's better to think of these lists (which, let's acknowledge, are always remarkably short) are more like a, "caution before buying," thing. As for the latter point, this came up just the other day in another thread, but is equally relevant here... but Big Finish has a (very good, IMO) tendency to re-use old story ideas, and typically winds up taking stories that just... weren't very good... and then redoing them, and making something great. It's been kind of wild for me, with my erratic listening sequence, hitting upon the not-so-good older stories AFTER the newer ones, and then getting the belated realization that Big Finish had already fixed everything. The set that comes to mind first, assuming I'm not mixing up the titles in my mind, are Dark Universe and The Dark Flame, over in the Monthly Range, with the former being like a 10/10 reimagining of the latter, which was a 4/10 for me at most. Interesting points. I do think when it comes to the "avoid this...", unless it's for a reason that you know will trigger someone specific - Stranded 4, Nekromanteia etc - then everything should be on the table, with a caveat. That caveat is people often ask "Should I pick up...." during a sale and get told "NO, AVOID". Wheras I always, always, always say "If you have even half a mind of being a completist..100% YES". Why? Because if you are going to hate a story...you may as well take a chance on only losing a pound rather than £5, or whatever the sale di jour is. This is good advice Davy for completists or budding completists that is rarely said when they were newbies. 👍🏻 (But understandable since we’re trying to get them to dip their toe into the wonderful world of audio, & don’t want to overwhelm them with “get the 12 volume subscription “ or the “3 boxset bundle” or the “6 volume bundle”. 😱 This happened to me with Torchwood. I cherry-picked releases of the characters I liked, plots that interested me, & avoided some. In the end, I found myself with the “complete” collection of all Big Finish Torchwood (so far) albeit at increased cost, since I missed out on several bundle sales & instead bought various individual volumes or monthlies on sale. Hence my last TW purchases that filled all the gaps, thankfully, at sale price & before the huge international currency adjustment. TW MR 25, 26, 28, 30, 32, 37, 38, 41, 43, 48, 49, 50x, 52, 58, 59, & Aliens Among Us vol. 1. All bought at sale price but not at sale bundle price or in the case of the newer releases, subscription. Know better now, though, & am subscribed to the current TW MR. Similar thing happened in the Doctor Who MR. Started with cherry-picking (thankfully just a few) before realizing then committing to getting everything on subscription to complete the Subscriber Short Trips & extended interviews (which I really like, some more than the story itself lol) & the scripts). 😊 But happy about it. 😁 |
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 26, 2022 0:30:24 GMT
Thats what I'm doing with Torchwood right now. I've picked up a half dozen or so random titles, just because they seemed interesting. ....And I've stumped for some stories massively during sales over the years that I think are masterworks that don't get the love they should - Excelis Dawns comes to mind the most.... Hah, ain't that the truth. I've made it a point to memorize the enormously-forgettable title, "Creatures of Beauty," because it's an absolute A+ story for the 5th Doctor that almost always gets lost -- or, as the case may more often be due to that title, forgotten. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 0:35:40 GMT
Interesting points. I do think when it comes to the "avoid this...", unless it's for a reason that you know will trigger someone specific - Stranded 4, Nekromanteia etc - then everything should be on the table, with a caveat. That caveat is people often ask "Should I pick up...." during a sale and get told "NO, AVOID". Wheras I always, always, always say "If you have even half a mind of being a completist..100% YES". Why? Because if you are going to hate a story...you may as well take a chance on only losing a pound rather than £5, or whatever the sale di jour is. This is good advice Davy for completists or budding completists that is rarely said when they were newbies. 👍🏻 (But understandable since we’re trying to get them to dip their toe into the wonderful world of audio, & don’t want to overwhelm them with “get the 12 volume subscription “ or the “3 boxset bundle” or the “6 volume bundle”. 😱 This happened to me with Torchwood. I cherry-picked releases of the characters I liked, plots that interested me, & avoided some. In the end, I found myself with the “complete” collection of all Big Finish Torchwood (so far) albeit at increased cost, since I missed out on several bundle sales & instead bought various individual volumes or monthlies on sale. Hence my last TW purchases that filled all the gaps, thankfully, at sale price & before the huge international currency adjustment. TW MR 25, 26, 28, 30, 32, 37, 38, 41, 43, 48, 49, 50x, 52, 58, 59, & Aliens Among Us vol. 1. All bought at sale price but not at sale bundle price or in the case of the newer releases, subscription. Know better now, though, & am subscribed to the current TW MR. Similar thing happened in the Doctor Who MR. Started with cherry-picking (thankfully just a few) before realizing then committing to getting everything on subscription to complete the Subscriber Short Trips & extended interviews (which I really like, some more than the story itself lol) & the scripts). 😊 But happy about it. 😁 Terrific examples! And obviously if someone is more specific - "Is this a good story to get into...", its easier to be subjective. Otherwise I think it's always best to find out what the person likes if they aren't intent on being a completist. I mean I have seen "No, don't buy so-and-so, it's a comedy story and I don't like comedy in my Doctor Who...." etc, when really "Do you like comedy in YOUR Doctor Who?" should be the post. I try and come at it from both sides, as someone who is lucky enough to be sent items for review now for both my channel on YT and the larger ones I appear on I try and be subjective to my opinion. Yet also try and always bear in mind how it must feel as someone with THOUSANDS of stories staring at them with a terrible website, a million "it's a great jumping on point" cliches from BF and more ranges than most comparable companies have releases. I truly empathise with anyone coming into BF now. I've no idea how you would - it must be the most tangled web that those of us who were there as it was being spun can't really appreciate. The last thing we want to do is recommend a story that puts someone off but, generally, I think posters are pretty good at adding a bit of context when someone is a bit lost during sales. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 0:39:55 GMT
Thats what I'm doing with Torchwood right now. I've picked up a half dozen or so random titles, just because they seemed interesting. ....And I've stumped for some stories massively during sales over the years that I think are masterworks that don't get the love they should - Excelis Dawns comes to mind the most.... Hah, ain't that the truth. I've made it a point to memorize the enormously-forgettable title, "Creatures of Beauty," because it's an absolute A+ story for the 5th Doctor that almost always gets lost -- or, as the case may more often be due to that title, forgotten. And to your point about BF revisiting a story and doing one somewhat similiar..sometimes it frustrates that an incredibly specific story doesn't work and the chance was wasted. How McGann meeting Orson Welles and being caught up in the War Of The Worlds hoax broadcast wasn't one of the most fun BF stories ever is beyonf me. It's a disaster - not because the story is THAT bad - but it has potential up the wazoo and ends up a snoozefest. I can forgive that in Who 101 like a base under siege or the like but something that should SOAR? No... |
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Post by sidestep on Nov 26, 2022 1:03:08 GMT
Thats what I'm doing with Torchwood right now. I've picked up a half dozen or so random titles, just because they seemed interesting. ....And I've stumped for some stories massively during sales over the years that I think are masterworks that don't get the love they should - Excelis Dawns comes to mind the most.... Hah, ain't that the truth. I've made it a point to memorize the enormously-forgettable title, "Creatures of Beauty," because it's an absolute A+ story for the 5th Doctor that almost always gets lost -- or, as the case may more often be due to that title, forgotten. That’s how I started Kestrel.🙂 TW 27 Sync (because I liked the actress in her other works), then Victoria, Martha, Tosh, Billis, Yvonne….then eventually…everything. 😁 Since joining this forum I’ve tried to write mini reviews or at least give comments on the releases I’ve listened to. My taste may not be the same as many, but I hope it helps a bit in addition to replying to new listeners with lists. 😊 Lists are very useful of course, it’s how I made sense of the 7-Ace-Hex arc as it leapfrogs through the Main Range. 👍🏻 There’s a poster on Gallifrey Reddit, adpirtle, who reviews Doctor Who releases in timeline order (they have a 1000+ stories). Currently, they did the CC The Drowned World, which I love, because Sara Kingdom & Jean Marsh! Their posts are titled: Doctor Who Timeline Review: Part (now, 63). Good, organized stuff, if one is looking for reviews on the rarely mentioned releases. 👍🏻 I guess their thoughts on Creatures of Beauty will be posted in the next few years, if they ever decide to continue this that long. But in case anyone wants to read mini reviews/insights about First Doctor stuff from The Drowned World backwards, that’s the place. 😉 |
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Post by sidestep on Nov 26, 2022 1:12:30 GMT
Thats what I'm doing with Torchwood right now. I've picked up a half dozen or so random titles, just because they seemed interesting. Hah, ain't that the truth. I've made it a point to memorize the enormously-forgettable title, "Creatures of Beauty," because it's an absolute A+ story for the 5th Doctor that almost always gets lost -- or, as the case may more often be due to that title, forgotten. And to your point about BF revisiting a story and doing one somewhat similiar..sometimes it frustrates that an incredibly specific story doesn't work and the chance was wasted. How McGann meeting Orson Welles and being caught up in the War Of The Worlds hoax broadcast wasn't one of the most fun BF stories ever is beyonf me. It's a disaster - not because the story is THAT bad - but it has potential up the wazoo and ends up a snoozefest. I can forgive that in Who 101 like a base under siege or the like but something that should SOAR? No... I’m happy that Lisa McMullin chose Bertha Kinsky (future von Suttner) to meet 9 in Hidden Depths 3.2 Lay Down Your Arms. She knocked it out of the park, into the stratosphere in her first try at the character & the story. 👍🏻 Maybe someone will do Orson Welles again? Hey, if the Doctor can meet Mary Shelley multiple times….😉 |
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